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[Shermos]

Shermos wrote...
Combine that with the fact that we have no evidence for the existence of a supreme being and it's not much of a logical leap to conclude that there probably is no God.

I'll put it a different way. I know chaos theory proves complexity doesn't require a designer. I also know there is no varifiable evidence to prove that there is a designer of the universe. Combine those two facts, and it's not unreasonable to conclude a god doesn't exist. In the face of lack of evidence, skepticism is always logical. 

Also, I'm not sure you understand correctly what Chaos theory is, but I admit, it's hard to wrap your head around.

I recommend you take the time to watch this documentary. It's gives the best explanation I've found so far.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/b00pv1c3

Now, perhaps there is a being which put the basic rules which "made the universe happen" in place, but I'd hesitate to call it a god. More like a scientist running an experiment and watching the unpredictable results. And again, we have no evidence to prove such a being exists or even that it's possible. 

Putting this back into the context of the Mass Effect universe, this is just what we know with the knowledge of the early 21st century. By the late 22nd, I expect we will have worked out what the early universe was like and what caused the big bang. It's possible we might have an idea of what will happen to the universe as it continues to age. Ashley either has to be very ignorant or just backwards. porbably a bit of both. 

[CptData]

Actually, you can't really use the chaos theory to explain the existence of universe. It's just quite distracting. Everything we see follows strict rules based on very few laws given when this universe began to exist.

Much of that stuff looks "random" and "chaotic" since we don't know all laws and all variables yet. If we do so, we can predict how our universe will evolve. No details - that's where the chaos theory kicks in - but the big picture is predictable. Chaos theory works only small scale (which still can be a whole galaxy - compared to the universe it's small scale).

[CptData]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

Haha this thread went completely off topic. Thanks to those who did answer my question. At least this thread is flame bait. I guess thats good.

Depends on what you see as "flame". I can see a philosophical debate here, which is really good.

[ODST 3]

Hater's just like to call her a Bible thumper and racist without understanding her character.

[CptData]

ODST 3 wrote...

Hater's just like to call her a Bible thumper and racist without understanding her character.

Which can happen since haters don't talk to Ashley at all and therefore miss her character development entirely.
Whatever. I do have characters I don't like that much, but at least I'm talking to them


By the way: I don't feel offended by Assassin-Monk Thane as well. Why should I? I am an atheist, but also a very philosophical person. I just enjoy thinking about stuff, meaning of life and everything beyond. Great to get in touch with oneself.

Modifié par CptData, 24 novembre 2011 - 05:12 .

[android654]

CptData wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

Hater's just like to call her a Bible thumper and racist without understanding her character.

Which can happen since haters don't talk to Ashley at all and therefore miss her character development entirely.
Whatever. I do have characters I don't like that much, but at least I'm talking to them


By the way: I don't feel offended by Assassin-Monk Thane as well. Why should I? I am an atheist, but also a very philosophical person. I just enjoy thinking about stuff, meaning of life and everything beyond. Great to get in touch with oneself.

I thought the same way about ashley until my second ME1 run. She's a thoughtful character and extremely loyal, if those qualities matter to you, you'll warm to the character despite religious differences. At least that's what I found through the dialogue with her.

As for the "racism" its pretty clear her distaste for non-humans. I suppose it can be rationalized when you learn about her family's history and the treatment she was subjected to as a result of it. However, in the real world most people wouldn't tolerate misfortune as a means to being bigoted to other races, and I couldn't help but feel that towards her character. But, the more she interacts with Tali, Garrus, and Wrex, it becomes clear that she isn't necessarily bigoted, but rather projecting her frustration over her family's tarnished history to all other aliens.

I'm pretty sure we'll see her becoming more warm towards all species since she appears to be permanent and the galaxy must ban together.

[Rafael_River]

shes not religious, shes a ****

[Goneaviking]

Shermos wrote...

Shermos wrote...
Combine that with the fact that we have no evidence for the existence of a supreme being and it's not much of a logical leap to conclude that there probably is no God.

I'll put it a different way. I know chaos theory proves complexity doesn't require a designer. I also know there is no varifiable evidence to prove that there is a designer of the universe. Combine those two facts, and it's not unreasonable to conclude a god doesn't exist. In the face of lack of evidence, skepticism is always logical. 

Also, I'm not sure you understand correctly what Chaos theory is, but I admit, it's hard to wrap your head around.

I recommend you take the time to watch this documentary. It's gives the best explanation I've found so far.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...rammes/b00pv1c3

Now, perhaps there is a being which put the basic rules which "made the universe happen" in place, but I'd hesitate to call it a god. More like a scientist running an experiment and watching the unpredictable results. And again, we have no evidence to prove such a being exists or even that it's possible. 

Putting this back into the context of the Mass Effect universe, this is just what we know with the knowledge of the early 21st century. By the late 22nd, I expect we will have worked out what the early universe was like and what caused the big bang. It's possible we might have an idea of what will happen to the universe as it continues to age. Ashley either has to be very ignorant or just backwards. porbably a bit of both. 

I think that coming to any decision without definitive evidence is an innately hazardous proposition, but less so than the choice that some people make to build their sense of identity around that decision. After thousands of years of what we call human civilisation, and tens or hundreds of thousands of years of development prior to that, we still have a plethora of religions and philosophies and I don't expect that to ever change.

One problem with evidence based decision making is that it's inevitably made in line with our own inherent biases. Things that reinforce my faith in my religion will either not register as significant to others, or even seem like proof that I'm misguided to others depending on what direction they approach the question from.

A second problem is the possibility that evidence which may have existed previous has in the meantime been destroyed, whether by the ongoing development of reality or some other means. I don't think it's possible to for certain.

Which is why I don't believe that Ashley is either backwards or ignorant and given that her faith is intentionally left vague and undogmatic I think that the patronising, even outright antagonistic, way that some players describe her is inherently narcissistic.