Death animnation is irrelevant.
It's a game-engine thing.
Strictly speaking, there is no hard confirmation of her death. Period.
How is Leliana's revival (if you killed her) a retcon?
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#102
Posté 25 mai 2013 - 04:57
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Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Death animnation is irrelevant.
It's a game-engine thing.
Strictly speaking, there is no hard confirmation of her death. Period.
Aside from the codex stating her death, the game coding that states she's dead once The Warden kills her, and the developers who admit she died. Besides, all that...
#103
Posté 25 mai 2013 - 07:32
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Well, aparently the developers say she's alive.
Game coding is a varible, nothing more.
Codex is not omniscent, 100% truthfull.
Sorry to burst your bubbles.
Game coding is a varible, nothing more.
Codex is not omniscent, 100% truthfull.
Sorry to burst your bubbles.
#104
Posté 25 mai 2013 - 07:44
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Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Well, aparently the developers say she's alive.
The developers also said her death and resurrection would be explained, and acknowlege that The Warden killed her in the ruins of the temple.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Game coding is a varible, nothing more.
It's evidence that Leliana was flagged as dead when The Warden killed her.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Codex is not omniscent, 100% truthfull.
It addresses what transpired, per the codex: "When The Warden corrupted and destroyed the Sacred Ashes of Andraste, Leliana drew her weapon and was killed alongside the guardian."
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Sorry to burst your bubbles.
Considering you haven't done anything to disprove that it's a recton, you have nothing to apologize for.
#105
Posté 26 mai 2013 - 12:53
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LobselVith8 wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Well, aparently the developers say she's alive.
The developers also said her death and resurrection would be explained, and acknowlege that The Warden killed her in the ruins of the temple.
She was never really dead is an explanation.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Game coding is a varible, nothing more.
It's evidence that Leliana was flagged as dead when The Warden killed her.
No, it's evidence that they named a variable "leliana_dead".
I script myself and flag names are just that - names that are easy to remember, but their true purpose is known only to the creator. I've seen (and used myself) flag names that will give someone a completely wrong idea.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Codex is not omniscent, 100% truthfull.
It addresses what transpired, per the codex: "When The Warden corrupted and destroyed the Sacred Ashes of Andraste, Leliana drew her weapon and was killed alongside the guardian."
Again, what the Warden thinks happened.
#106
Posté 26 mai 2013 - 02:49
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Lotion Soronnar wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
The developers also said her death and resurrection would be explained, and acknowlege that The Warden killed her in the ruins of the temple.
She was never really dead is an explanation.
Developers like Gaider already conceded that she was dead, and that her ressurection would be explained. It's also not evidence that it's not a recton when we have the codex and the game coding stating that Leliana is now dead. You're basically arguing that one type of recton means it's not a recton, but that simply makes no sense at all. Leliana died if The Warden killed her. Whether Leliana's death is explained away as a ressurection or an utter handwave of her demise doesn't change that it's retroactive continuinity of what was previously established.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
It's evidence that Leliana was flagged as dead when The Warden killed her.
No, it's evidence that they named a variable "leliana_dead".
I script myself and flag names are just that - names that are easy to remember, but their true purpose is known only to the creator. I've seen (and used myself) flag names that will give someone a completely wrong idea.
In addition to Leliana being a corpse and the codex stating her death, it's additional evidence that Leliana was killed in the narrative.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
It addresses what transpired, per the codex: "When The Warden corrupted and destroyed the Sacred Ashes of Andraste, Leliana drew her weapon and was killed alongside the guardian."
Again, what the Warden thinks happened.
The idea that The Warden wouldn't know whether Leliana was dead or not is more than a little ridiculous.
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#107
Posté 26 mai 2013 - 04:21
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Leliana isn't dead. Period.
You can continue to argue untill the cows come home, but you got nothing really.
You harp on a varialbe name as proof, but as pointed out previously - it's not.
And in narrative, being left for dead or thought dead is standard procedure.
"But my Warden would check!" - No. Only if the devs specificly allowed him to.
They didn't and he didn't.
You can continue to argue untill the cows come home, but you got nothing really.
You harp on a varialbe name as proof, but as pointed out previously - it's not.
And in narrative, being left for dead or thought dead is standard procedure.
"But my Warden would check!" - No. Only if the devs specificly allowed him to.
They didn't and he didn't.
#108
Posté 26 mai 2013 - 08:19
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Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Leliana isn't dead. Period.
You can continue to argue untill the cows come home, but you got nothing really.
You harp on a varialbe name as proof, but as pointed out previously - it's not.
And in narrative, being left for dead or thought dead is standard procedure.
"But my Warden would check!" - No. Only if the devs specificly allowed him to.
They didn't and he didn't.
I have nothing but facts, while you argue that the facts should be ignored because you say so.
#109
Posté 26 mai 2013 - 11:41
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Well, she's not dead now. But it doesn't mean she never died at all.Leliana isn't dead. Period.
#110
Posté 27 mai 2013 - 01:44
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Blood Magic.
Leliana was revived as a Zombie. And now she has Zombie AIDS. The Inquisitor who romance her will catch said AIDS and slowly Zombify as well.
Leliana was revived as a Zombie. And now she has Zombie AIDS. The Inquisitor who romance her will catch said AIDS and slowly Zombify as well.
#111
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 09:59
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LobselVith8 wrote...
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Leliana isn't dead. Period.
You can continue to argue untill the cows come home, but you got nothing really.
You harp on a varialbe name as proof, but as pointed out previously - it's not.
And in narrative, being left for dead or thought dead is standard procedure.
"But my Warden would check!" - No. Only if the devs specificly allowed him to.
They didn't and he didn't.
I have nothing but facts, while you argue that the facts should be ignored because you say so.
No ,you dont' have facts. You have things you think are facts supporting your oppinion.
#112
Posté 29 mai 2013 - 11:36
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Lotion Soronnar wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
I have nothing but facts, while you argue that the facts should be ignored because you say so.
No ,you dont' have facts. You have things you think are facts supporting your oppinion.
The developers acknowledge that Leliana was dead, and that her coming back to life will be explained in the future, so I'm not sure why you're so insistent that Leliana didn't die.
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Posté 26 juin 2013 - 01:27
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And Oghren could be a time travelling Femshep on a mission to stop Sandal from creating the Reapers.
YES! THIS! It all makes sense now!
"Enchantment" = "I am the harbinger of your destruction"
You ser, are my hero. XD
Maybe Leliana has an identical twin sister!
If BioWare comes up with an explanation for this, then I'll be okay, if they simply decided to diregard my choices in Origins, it's not okay.
It's sort of like how everyone started freaking out when they saw Anders, saying things like, "But he died in Awakening" or "I never recruited him". The former can be easily explained - the epilogues tend to consist of rumors, so it was not a solid fact that Anders died. The latter is, yet again, another case (albeit, far less difficult to explain) of: is there an explanation for this, or did BioWare decide to ignore my previous decisions?
Personally, I hope that BioWare has explanations. For Anders, I figure that maybe he was recruited by another Warden? He's just that lucky? ...or unlucky, depending on how you look at it, I guess.
