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[StaceysChain]

I think overall I prefer the DAO elves design. I don't mind the body design of the DA2 elves since it makes them more distinct from humans, but I just can't stand their faces - they're horrible! They remind me of rats for some reason. It would be great if Bioware can somehow combine the two designs, make the elves have the DA2 body design but DAO faces - in fact, I personally think they achieved this with Fenris and Tallis.

[Sylvianus]

What would be interesting, is too see DAO elves with other graphics than those of the old DAO.

[Marvin_Arnold]

StaceysChain wrote...

I don't mind the body design of the DA2 elves since it makes them more distinct from humans...

Oh, but there's nothing like the V shape elf body morph from Natural Bodies on Zevran... (drool, excuse me for a moment...)

Seriously, they could be slimmer, but not to the point that they become physically impossible (you still need muscles to draw a bow or wield a sword), so waists could be narrower, but you do definitely need some amount of shoulder, arm and leg muscles (among others)...

[AbsoluteApril]

I voted on the fence..
at first I hated the DA2 elves but the more I've played the more they have grown on me. I think my issue is that they looked too 'avatar'-ish,  I don't mind the size of the ears but wish they laid against the head and up instead of out to the side. I am not a fan of the blunt tipped noses. I do apprecaite that they tried to make them more unique.

My ideal image of an elf is that they are generally attractive and have long slender features, pointed noses... of course my ideal elves also have white hair and very pale skin... personal preference.


I guess I image them like the high ones from Elfquest...






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Marvin_Arnold wrote...
Anyway, guys (and gals), there are already several Elves discussion threads right here on the first page. I suggest putting comments over there. This here was only meant as an announcement for that poll.

oh oops, sorry!

Modifié par AbsoluteApril, 21 novembre 2011 - 10:28 .

[RagingCyclone]

Marvin_Arnold--I see yet another person on these threads making arguments about body structre requirements without a basic knowledge of body mechanics. Bulky muscles are not needed to either pull a bow (biggest error here) or wield a sword. You can have lean muscles just as strong as bulky ones. Muscle density plays a bigger role towards strength than size does. Therefore a long lean person is just as capable as a bulky bodybuilder. A basic knowledge of kinesiology would be helpful when arguing about body types.

[Nope Dot Avi]

esper wrote...

Bioware esthablish what a true elf is in their universe and it is perfectly allowed, just as the authour of twillingt is allowed to say that vampires shine like the sun

So you're saying that DA2 elves are the equivalent of Twilight vampires? I'll give you that one.

[Persephone]

Nope Dot Avi wrote...

esper wrote...

Bioware esthablish what a true elf is in their universe and it is perfectly allowed, just as the authour of twillingt is allowed to say that vampires shine like the sun

So you're saying that DA2 elves are the equivalent of Twilight vampires? I'll give you that one.

Only they are not.

[FieryDove]

esper wrote...

Bioware esthablish what a true elf is in their universe and it is perfectly allowed, just as the authour of twillingt is allowed to say that vampires shine like the sun.  

Not sun, Diamonds!

Just make them all halla heads, any companions as well. Be consistent!

[esper]

FieryDove wrote...

esper wrote...

Bioware esthablish what a true elf is in their universe and it is perfectly allowed, just as the authour of twillingt is allowed to say that vampires shine like the sun.  

Not sun, Diamonds!

Just make them all halla heads, any companions as well. Be consistent!

Oh it was dimond. I only tried to read it once, but I admit that I got so tired of Bella that I buried my the book under all my other litterature. I just remember that there was a sun = shining effect which I add the time thought was a fresh idea to the myth.  

[esper]

Nope Dot Avi wrote...

esper wrote...

Bioware esthablish what a true elf is in their universe and it is perfectly allowed, just as the authour of twillingt is allowed to say that vampires shine like the sun

So you're saying that DA2 elves are the equivalent of Twilight vampires? I'll give you that one.

Point, missing it!

[Rawgrim]

DAO elves, no contest. The DA2 ones looks like some damn anime creatures.

[SinnSly]

Aaleel wrote...

I didn't like the DA:2 elves at all. I thought they were ugly, and every time I saw one I wanted to give them some food and tell them to take their finger out their mouth.

They changed Merrill's face to look more like a human one. She doesn't even look like the rest of the elves in the game.

Merrill looks better in my opinion, I didn't liek her appearence at all in DAO.. Just didn't feel like they were good elves etc
But in DA2 I love them, Merrill looks stunning and adorable, the elves feel more like they are their own race instead of the typcial "humans with pointed ears" Their eyes are different their nsoe and their whole look is different, it is amazing and the elvces should be kept as they are in DA2, if they change them back to the old way in DAO I think I'll lose interest in DA3, DA2 will always be my fav anyway, Merrill makes the game fun and cute

[TheRealJayDee]

SinnSly wrote...

the elves feel more like they are their own race instead of the typcial "humans with pointed ears" Their eyes are different their nsoe and their whole look is different, it is amazing and the elvces should be kept as they are in DA2, if they change them back to the old way in DAO I think I'll lose interest in DA3

For some reason my not so pointed (virtual) ears start to bleed nowadays when somebody uses the words "humans", "with", "pointed" and "ears" in this order as an argument in a discussion like that...

Yes, DA2 elves look is different. I think it is far from amazing, as do many others. I think they should return to a rather DA:Oish look for the elves in DA3, or I think I'll lose interest in DA3. Okay, the last part was a little exaggerated, as my interest for DA3 is, sad as it may be, already quite little and the elves won't be the deciding factor.

Can you answer me one thing: had the elves (or any race) not been changed in DA2, and the game would have been full of well designed "humans with pointed ears", would you have come here to complain about it? Would you be here discussing it right now?

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

simfamSP wrote...

And my reaction to this is... "Where have I seen this before?"

There is nothing wrong about being unique. To be honest there were some elves that looked fantastic (Merril, Fenris, The Keeper etc...) and there were some that were not (which are always pointed out by the trolls who just love to bash the few ugly ducklings in the game and then say 'they all look like that.')

I think we'd be all crying for some change if it weren't for other games and fantasy authors who changed things around from the old Tolkien formula. Hell, even Skyrim has changed their elves.

I'm not sure about all of you, but I'm part of that group that is just fed up of devs trying to copy Tolkien and keep to the same generic look.

Fun fact - Tolkien actually concieved of his elves as biologically identical to humans, based on his letters. There's nothing in the actual book LotR that indicates pointy ears or any of the other physical features we associate with Standard Fantasy Setting elves.

The thing that did differentiate "Elves and Men" in Tolkien was the supernatural nature of the former - they were ancient and quasi-divine beings that were on their way out of the world. IMO, this is considerably more interesting than just making them humans with pointy ears, humanoids with pointy ears, or any other purely physical concept. So the question is less "what do elves look like in this game?" and more "what are the creators of this game doing with their elves?"

And, honestly, I'm not entirely sure what the Dragon Age setting is doing with their elves - for instance, is there any particular reason making these characters elves is any more effective than making them an ethnic group of humans?

Modifié par Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut, 23 novembre 2011 - 03:01 .

[Salaya]

I don't get it.

Why some people seems unable to conceive that some of us just don't like the new design? It's not that I'm unaware that there are some designs better than others; or the fact that they are "unique" by comparison with classic-origins elves.

For me -and for many people critizing their new look- it's simply a matter of disproportion, a matter of elves having an alien look. Every elf on DA2, including DLCs, have that enormous nose, those weird eyes, gigantic-donkey ears, and females -well, they have those ridiculous breasts.

I respect people liking the "uniqueness" of the new design; but hey, respect those who just feel that this "uniqueness" is just ugly, by abstract, pure form. I believe both of us have enough reasons to think as we think.

[tmp7704]

simfamSP wrote...
Hell, even Skyrim has changed their elves.

However, that change was more of reverting to the appearances from Morrowind, than anything else (with the higher fidelity of more modern graphics, obv)  So that'd be equivalent of DA3 going back to DAO approach, if anything.

[Shazzie]

I dislike the DA2 elves. I'm not sure if it's due to a particular part of their facial structure change or what (though the nose is likely the biggest issue for me), but as a whole it really, really puts me off and is generally unpleasant to look at (there are exceptions).

It's noticeable that the elves the character would interact with the most (Fenris, Merrill, the Keeper) were more carefully made and, while still keeping the DA2 changes, were also crafted to be pleasant to look upon. And we're told that the humans of Thedas find elves to be beautiful, thus we expect them to be beautiful by our standards, but Thedas humans obviously have different standards.

I hope they tweak the elves for DA3. I won't demand a return to DA:O, though I liked the elves there far more (I find my current elfin avatar adorable), I'll just hope that they find a more visually pleasing medium.

[FaWa]

I appreciate DA2's elves a lot more after seeing Bethesda screwing up all 3 elven races in Skyrim.
Still, DAO wins in the attractive elf department.

[Monica83]

mmmh elves of skyrim remind me the ones of morrowind so im statisfate with that.. the problem of dragon age 2 elves is they are not only ugly to see but they tend to looks like rats in a very ridicolus manner and also dosn't fit well in the overall design.. I prefear a lot more an ugly durnmer than a animeish Fenris

And since i hated the elf design in oblivion the lef of skyrim are more loyal to the lores.. In dragon age 2 that's don't happen because elves are supposed to be attractive but right now they look evrything but not elfs i also hate theyr plastic skinned texture they have

Modifié par Monica83, 23 novembre 2011 - 08:59 .

[FaWa]

Morrowind's elves were also hideous.

OMG I just insulted Morrowind the wrath of jesus christ will soon be apon me!

I love Morrowind, but you can't judge a game based on how similar it is to Morrowind and how different it is from Oblivion.

[Monica83]

Im not doing this... I use skyrim for a example of design coherence.. What i want express is the dragon age 2 elf look don't fit at all with the rest of the design they seems model from a different game ported there..

And most important you can make a ugly race whitout ruin the overall design or setting but in dragon agw 2 the elves are not only ugly but they also are rendered too much cartoonish with plastic skin and animeish eyes and that donkey nose don't help at all.. Theyr body are not thin but exagerate thin at the point they looks like anorexic creature.. They seems taken from a 3 series Anime..Fenris just looks ridicolus with that bare feet and that stupid armor and white hair.. And also merril that is tenderly for sure but also utterly ugly and out of context in design

[Maria Caliban]

Either/or. Humany elves are good. Alien elves are good.

I like the big eyes and flat noses of the DA 2 elves. I wish more of them looked as attractive as Merrill and Fenris, but I suppose they're all starving and have poor health insurance.

[Tuleron]

DAO elves, Zevran in DA2 is crap, really, it's CRAP.

[CARL_DF90]

The DA:O design was always better. DA2's looked a bit too cartoonish to me.