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[Han Shot First]

I don't think there is anything wrong with giving characters a little sex appeal, but it shoud not be out of character, be practical for the work they're portrayed as doing, and not gratuitous. Samara's outfit fails on all three counts.

If Samara returns in ME3 I think she should still be sexy, but she should be wearing something that shows a lot less skin and is practical for combat.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:18 .

[Quole]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Quole wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Then what the hell are you on about with "Who's Miranda?"

There is no Miranda in Mass Effect. For some reason though... everyone calls MJ Miranda  so I can see why people would make that mistake.

http://masseffect.wi.../Miranda_Lawson

Stop being an idiot.

That is clearly a mistake. Whoever added that to the wiki is retarded.

[Quole]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Quole wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Then what the hell are you on about with "Who's Miranda?"

There is no Miranda in Mass Effect. For some reason though... everyone calls MJ Miranda  so I can see why people would make that mistake.

http://masseffect.wi.../Miranda_Lawson

Stop being an idiot.

Omg. wow. 

I've had my fill of forum regulars being obtuse because they think it's cute, or clever, or funny, or something. 

Dawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 I am not trolling in any way

Modifié par Quole, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:51 .

[D.Kain]

Quole wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Quole wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Then what the hell are you on about with "Who's Miranda?"

There is no Miranda in Mass Effect. For some reason though... everyone calls MJ Miranda  so I can see why people would make that mistake.

http://masseffect.wi.../Miranda_Lawson

Stop being an idiot.

Omg. wow. 

I've had my fill of forum regulars being obtuse because they think it's cute, or clever, or funny, or something. 

Dawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
 I am not trolling in any way

I wonder if this was what people saw me writing back when I was debating on Morinth... 

Should I believe this person and show the same solitude that was shown to me in the end? Could this also really be true? 

[Quole]

I state facts. Nothing else.

[D.Kain]

Quole wrote...

I state facts. Nothing else.

I believe that you state an opinion my friend, as I do not agree with you. But it is valid non the less! 

[Quole]

D.Kain wrote...

Quole wrote...

I state facts. Nothing else.

I believe that you state an opinion my friend, as I do not agree with you. But it is valid non the less! 

You cannot disagree with facts.

[D.Kain]

Quole wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Quole wrote...

I state facts. Nothing else.

I believe that you state an opinion my friend, as I do not agree with you. But it is valid non the less! 

You cannot disagree with facts.

As I said, I'm afraid that this one is your opinion and not a fact. 

[Quole]

D.Kain wrote...

Quole wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Quole wrote...

I state facts. Nothing else.

I believe that you state an opinion my friend, as I do not agree with you. But it is valid non the less! 

You cannot disagree with facts.

As I said, I'm afraid that this one is your opinion and not a fact. 

the fact is that you think it is an opinion when its really a fact.

[D.Kain]

Quole wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Quole wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Quole wrote...

I state facts. Nothing else.

I believe that you state an opinion my friend, as I do not agree with you. But it is valid non the less! 

You cannot disagree with facts.

As I said, I'm afraid that this one is your opinion and not a fact. 

the fact is that you think it is an opinion when its really a fact.

Ah and now you start to resemble the other side of the Morinth debate, I get flashbacks. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

If you've played ME2 and seriously believe that there is no MIranda in Mass Effect, then you need psychological help. Otherwise, you're just trollling, or think you're being clever or cute.

It's not cliver, and it's not cute, it's just idiotic. If you are a Tali fan, then you're just draggin the rest of her fans down with you by acting this way.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If you've played ME2 and seriously believe that there is no MIranda in Mass Effect, then you need psychological help. Otherwise, you're just trollling, or think you're being clever or cute.

It's not cliver, and it's not cute, it's just idiotic. If you are a Tali fan, then you're just draggin the rest of her fans down with you by acting this way.

There was a person named Tali in ME?

[Quole]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If you've played ME2 and seriously believe that there is no MIranda in Mass Effect, then you need psychological help. Otherwise, you're just trollling, or think you're being clever or cute.

It's not cliver, and it's not cute, it's just idiotic. If you are a Tali fan, then you're just draggin the rest of her fans down with you by acting this way.

Right. Because I, speak for every Tali fan, right? People on the BSN really are stupid huh? If you noticed, most of the Tali fans probably hate me , but good try.
but back to what I was saying. stop defending MJ. Its offensive. While we are at it, lets get back on topic.

Modifié par Quole, 20 novembre 2011 - 08:11 .

[Someone With Mass]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

If you've played ME2 and seriously believe that there is no MIranda in Mass Effect, then you need psychological help. Otherwise, you're just trollling, or think you're being clever or cute.

It's not cliver, and it's not cute, it's just idiotic. If you are a Tali fan, then you're just draggin the rest of her fans down with you by acting this way.

Not really.

It's just stupid if anyone thinks that one guy reflects the opinion of an entire fanbase of individual people.

And if anyone does, I feel sorry for them.

[Fredvdp]

slimgrin wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Miranda and Jacob were clearly fan service but Samara takes the cake.

You guys need to take your eyes off her ****** and consider the dialog in the game.

I tried! God I tried!

[Purge the heathens]

I don't understand what's supposed to be so ridiculous about Samara's outfit. As Benezia has already demonstrated in ME1, an asari's biotic power is proportional to the amount of cleavage. Jack is the same principle applied to humans, though some gene therapy might have also been involved. As such, revealing clothing is a necessity. And don't get me started on space suits - anybody would know that forward tanks this impressive can create natural barriers.

As for me, Samara won me over when she compared herself to samurai or errant knights. It's just, so far, I've been used to all species being mostly ignorant of each other's culture in scifi or fantasy. This was a welcome change. Just like Wrex reproaching Kaidan for thinking of the krogan as culturally homogenous. And the quest where you can surprise a quarian by knowing about the pilgrimage tradition.

Modifié par Purge the heathens, 20 novembre 2011 - 09:59 .

[CptData]

Han Shot First wrote...

I don't think there is anything wrong with giving characters a little sex appeal, but it shoud not be out of character, be practical for the work they're portrayed as doing, and not gratuitous. Samara's outfit fails on all three counts.

If Samara returns in ME3 I think she should still be sexy, but she should be wearing something that shows a lot less skin and is practical for combat.

I concur, but there's a difference between "a little sex appeal" (=>> Ashley, Tali, Kasumi) and "defines/overshadows character" (=>> I won't name characters so no one feels offended).

Just my 2 cents.

[Llane]

I share the opinion that Samara's outfit clashes with the rest of her character.



That's just Samara's head on FemShep's body, but it's enough to make me think Samara does look good without giving everyone a free show.

[Goneaviking]

mauro2222 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Yeah... who here remembers the last major implementation of Bushido as a organizational principle? Besides the Chinese, Koreans, Philippines, Indonesians, and prisoners of war of various nations?


I'm amazed every time people cite 'the samurai code' or 'knightly honor' as if it were a grand, noble thing.

They are noble paths (at least the seven virtues), you cannot make examples of it with deformations of the code itself.

Knightly honour is a literary myth.

I don't know enough about samurai to know for sure, but I suspect that their code was a poetic construct as well. Certainly the romanticised version of the social class doesn't live up to what I've read of the culture's history.

[Eski.Moe]

lmao at the closeup of her breasts. The first thing I thought about after reading the first post, really. There's artistic liberty and then there is pumping it to 9000 and beyond. The Asari as a whole are quite clearly a fanservice in any case and Bioware have said as much. I mean, an all female, sexy blue alien race who actually have a life stage where it's normal to be a stripper?
I admire the lengths which some people go and how much they extrapolate in order to try and explain that Asari norms and conventions are why it is acceptable. In any case, it remains better than the argument of "BUT THEY'RE NOT ALL WOMEN, DUDE! THEY'RE ASARI!"
Needlessly forgetting that it is a bunch of regular guys that created them in the first place.

All you need to do is just look at the outfit. Just look at it, really. I have nothing against boobs and the like. Trust me, lol.
It's just that we're presented with this priestess/warrior like figure and given a flashy and overly excessive getup. That's not subverting a trope btw.
I love, love, love Samara's character (she's deep and interesting and there's a lot to her) and would only love her more if it wasn't for...
Well, I've made my point.

On a side note, I did think that the OP was going to be criticising Samara and the fanservice aspect of the Asari. Not the opposite, lol.
In any case, while it does remain a gripe for me, it doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the game. I'm able to take them as they are and get on with it.

[alex90c]

I think the Asari were originally designed to be a very fan service-y race but the way Bioware developed them through their lore and all that jazz I think has enabled them to evolve beyond that.

Though there's no denying the fan service aspect still exists.

[Yezdigerd]

Right dress code regarding the display of sexual characteristic would never vary over species,race or gender. boobies are regulated by intergalactic law.
www.youtube.com/watch