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[onelifecrisis]

alex90c wrote...

The idea I get on BSN is that Liara is hated by practically everyone 

Recognising her as fan service does not necessarily mean hating her.

[onelifecrisis]

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Captain 'Roid Man Vega

Quite.

[Iakus]

ZLurps wrote...

Yes, but I was referring to this: http://social.biowar...m/project/3483/
Isn't that her default outlook customised by modder?
Sorry I must ask all these questions but I really don't know how modders work with ME2.

Ah, yes, that's true.  

But that was a modder changing her look.  Bioware decided "unzipped" was the way to go in ME2.  We had to look outside of the game for any other choice.  As such, unless they include skins with "zipped" and "unzipped" looks in Mass Effect 3, we'll have to turn to mods for any real customization choices.

The burden of the iconic look.

Edit:  And I don't know how to mod myself, I just know that iconic looks really restrict my choice and make the game less enjoyable.

Modifié par iakus, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:22 .

[alex90c]

Vilio1 wrote...

alex90c wrote...

The idea I get on BSN is that Liara is hated by practically everyone 

Though Bioware have figures saying most people saved Ashley on Virmire so she's more liked than Kaidan.

She was the most popular ME1 love interest, but I'm not sure how many people cheated on her.

Her ME1 dialogue is bugged though, so if Bioware based most popular LI based on if certain flags were set, then in that number there could be quite a few people who flat out refused her and yet ended up getting confronted by her just before Ilos even though they weren't interested in her.

[ZLurps]

iakus wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

Yes, but I was referring to this: http://social.biowar...m/project/3483/
Isn't that her default outlook customised by modder?
Sorry I must ask all these questions but I really don't know how modders work with ME2.

Ah, yes, that's true.  

But that was a modder changing her look.  Bioware decided "unzipped" was the way to go in ME2.  We had to look outside of the game for any other choice.  As such, unless they include skins with "zipped" and "unzipped" looks in Mass Effect 3, we'll have to turn to mods for any real customization choices.

The burden of the iconic look.

If modder can do something very radical compared to original outfit, then BioWare can do the same. Then if they will, it's totally different matter. Doesn't look good though...

I just thought that if we had like two outfits for characters out of the box and then maybe one DLC package then people who play on PC could try following.

Default outift = That's what they wear on Normandy
Alternate outfit 1 = That's what they wear when visiting places like The Citadel. (Could be replaced by Mod)
Alternate outit 2 = Mod, bad ass armoured gear for combat, space / hazardous places.

In this situation player would have 3 different kind of outfits to choose directly from ME3 interface. Wouldn't warm those who play on console a at all though.

[slimgrin]

onelifecrisis wrote...

alex90c wrote...

The idea I get on BSN is that Liara is hated by practically everyone 

Recognising her as fan service does not necessarily mean hating her.

Like I said I truly believe the intention of the writers was partly to make Liara a sexy blue chick we can shag. No complaints there. With Samara, yeah she's sexy, but in no way was she intended as a romancable character. So they fleshed her out *cough* in other ways. Her story with her daughter is compelling, the fact she's a justicar gives her a rich history. If they take the next step with the Asari - a step away from their hyper-sexualized aura - it should be with Samara.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:32 .

[Nope Dot Avi]

slimgrin wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

alex90c wrote...

The idea I get on BSN is that Liara is hated by practically everyone 

Recognising her as fan service does not necessarily mean hating her.

Like I said I truly believe the intention of the writers was partly to make Liara a sexy blue chick we can shag. No complaints there. With Samara, yeah she's sexy, but in no way was she intended as a romancable character. So they fleshed her out *cough* in other ways. Her story with her daughter is compelling, the fact she's a justicar gives her a rich history. If they should tsake the next step with the Asari, a step away from their hyper-sexualized aura - it should be with Samara.

I think this is pretty emblematic of Bioware. One team creates an interesting character with a unique moral code that forces her to confront and kill or be killed by her serial killer daughter and another team gives her approximately 2 feet of cleavage.

(See also: Miranda.
Bioware Employee A: Okay, we'll use this character and the plot device of genetic modification to explore how people respond to a particular form of abusive parenting.
Bioware Employee B: Now, in this scene where she's talking about an important development in her character arc, we need approximately 25% of the computer screen to be occupied by dat ass.)

[Sgt Stryker]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Liara was fan service?

Bisexual shaggable 14-year-old virgin who looks like Gillian Murray? Mmm, yeah, I'd call that fanservice.

Omnisexual 106-year-old virgin, you mean.

[slimgrin]

I like how CDPR spruced up Triss for TW2. She didn't need to dress like a hooker for every occasion like she did in TW1. It wasn't fitting with her character. So in TW2 they not not only buttoned her up they made her the most reserved and down to earth of all the sorceresses in the game. Now she's more like Geralt's friend, and a nice counterpart to the other sorceresses.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:53 .

[onelifecrisis]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Liara was fan service?

Bisexual shaggable 14-year-old virgin who looks like Gillian Murray? Mmm, yeah, I'd call that fanservice.

Omnisexual 106-year-old virgin, you mean.

Didn't you and I have this conversation yesterday?

[slimgrin]

Nope Dot Avi wrote...

I think this is pretty emblematic of Bioware. One team creates an interesting character with a unique moral code that forces her to confront and kill or be killed by her serial killer daughter and another team gives her approximately 2 feet of cleavage.

(See also: Miranda.
Bioware Employee A: Okay, we'll use this character and the plot device of genetic modification to explore how people respond to a particular form of abusive parenting.
Bioware Employee B: Now, in this scene where she's talking about an important development in her character arc, we need approximately 25% of the computer screen to be occupied by dat ass.)

Lol. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[Sgt Stryker]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Liara was fan service?

Bisexual shaggable 14-year-old virgin who looks like Gillian Murray? Mmm, yeah, I'd call that fanservice.

Omnisexual 106-year-old virgin, you mean.

Didn't you and I have this conversation yesterday?

Indeed. I corrected you yesterday, and I will continue to do so as needed. Besides, when was the last time you saw a 14 year old girl with a doctorate in archaeology? If we're gonna anthropomorphize Liara, we'd have to place her human age in her early 20s at the earliest.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:50 .

[ZLurps]

slimgrin wrote...

Nope Dot Avi wrote...

I think this is pretty emblematic of Bioware. One team creates an interesting character with a unique moral code that forces her to confront and kill or be killed by her serial killer daughter and another team gives her approximately 2 feet of cleavage.

(See also: Miranda.
Bioware Employee A: Okay, we'll use this character and the plot device of genetic modification to explore how people respond to a particular form of abusive parenting.
Bioware Employee B: Now, in this scene where she's talking about an important development in her character arc, we need approximately 25% of the computer screen to be occupied by dat ass.)

Lol. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Yeah, very well put.

From my point of view just kinda sad. BioWare runs their company how they like and have every right to do so.
Then, after ME3 (and I think at this point it could get reviews score around 7 / 70% and most people who played the ME, ME2 or both would get it anyway) I think it might be my place just to look for other things. I grew older, got interested in different kind of things and games, well, they didn't grew up with me.

[onelifecrisis]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Liara was fan service?

Bisexual shaggable 14-year-old virgin who looks like Gillian Murray? Mmm, yeah, I'd call that fanservice.

Omnisexual 106-year-old virgin, you mean.

Didn't you and I have this conversation yesterday?

Indeed. I corrected you yesterday, and I will continue to do so as needed.

Hmm, I must have somehow missed the part where I was "corrected", but at least I now know your repetition is intentional.

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Besides, when was the last time you saw a 14 year old girl with a doctorate in archaeology?

Around about the same time as I last saw a space wizard. Is Kaiden not a human now?

[edited to fix a really dumb typo]

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 20 novembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Liara was fan service?

Bisexual shaggable 14-year-old virgin who looks like Gillian Murray? Mmm, yeah, I'd call that fanservice.

14?

[BatmanPWNS]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Ofcoursenot wrote...

Liara was fan service?

Bisexual shaggable 14-year-old virgin who looks like Gillian Murray? Mmm, yeah, I'd call that fanservice.

14?

I think onelifecrisis was making a joke.

[Sgt Stryker]

Kaidan is definitely human. He's a human biotic, to be precise. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he's a wizard though, did they release a pointed hat + wand DLC for him and I missed it?

I said it before and I'll say it again. Anything that isn't ****** sapiens and didn't evolve on Earth is an alien. You really need to stop over-analyzing things. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a 106-year old humanoid alien that resembles a human woman with blue skin is just a 106-year-old humanoid alien that resembles a human woman with blue skin.

Modifié par Sgt Stryker, 20 novembre 2011 - 08:02 .

[Nope Dot Avi]

slimgrin wrote...

I like how CDPR spruced up Triss for TW2. She didn't need to dress like a hooker for every occasion like she did in TW1. It wasn't fitting with her character. So in TW2 they not not only buttoned her up they made her the most reserved and down to earth of all the sorceresses in the game. Now she's more like Geralt's friend, and a nice counterpart to the other sorceresses in the game.

+1. I really liked the fact that in TW2 she seemed to be wearing basically what you'd expect a magic user to wear to a dungeon/forest/swamp/etc. It's unfortunately rare to see female videogame characters designed with practical clothing haha.

[onelifecrisis]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Kaidan is definitely human. He's a human biotic, to be precise. Not sure where you're getting the idea that he's a wizard though, did they release a pointed hat + wand DLC for him and I missed it?

Seems like you're avoiding the point. If the word "wizard" is the problem, try this instead:
Around about the same time as I last saw a biotic human. Is Kaiden not a human now?

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again. Anything that isn't ****** sapiens and didn't evolve on Earth is an alien. You really need to stop over-analyzing things.

The last thing I expected was to be accused of over-analysing. I'm not analysing at all. Put a blue human in front of me, and I'm going to call it a blue human.

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Exactly. It's the people claiming otherwise that are overanalysing.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 20 novembre 2011 - 08:07 .

[Sgt Stryker]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again. Anything that isn't ****** sapiens and didn't evolve on Earth is an alien. You really need to stop over-analyzing things.

The last thing I expected was to be accused of over-analysing. I'm not analysing at all. Put a blue human in front of me, and I'm going to call it a blue human.

I would hope that you would at least call the police and paramedics, and check it for a pulse as well. Blue skin is generally a sign of hypothermia.

[Justicar]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Justicar wrote...

How did you people not detect the sarcasm

Are you new to the whole internet thing? Sarcasm is notoriously difficult to discern in text. That's why people tend to use /sarcasm tags.

lol, you're implying this is my first forum.

Well the sarcasm in that post was pretty obvious taking my 2 previous posts into consideration, it contradicted them.

[onelifecrisis]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again. Anything that isn't ****** sapiens and didn't evolve on Earth is an alien. You really need to stop over-analyzing things.

The last thing I expected was to be accused of over-analysing. I'm not analysing at all. Put a blue human in front of me, and I'm going to call it a blue human.

I would hope that you would at least call the police and paramedics, and check it for a pulse as well. Blue skin is generally a sign of hypothermia.

Or blue paint.

[onelifecrisis]

Justicar wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Justicar wrote...

How did you people not detect the sarcasm

Are you new to the whole internet thing? Sarcasm is notoriously difficult to discern in text. That's why people tend to use /sarcasm tags.

lol, you're implying this is my first forum.

Well the sarcasm in that post was pretty obvious taking my 2 previous posts into consideration, it contradicted them.

This coming from the poster who "skipped 10 pages because I can"?

[Sgt Stryker]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I said it before and I'll say it again. Anything that isn't ****** sapiens and didn't evolve on Earth is an alien. You really need to stop over-analyzing things.

The last thing I expected was to be accused of over-analysing. I'm not analysing at all. Put a blue human in front of me, and I'm going to call it a blue human.

I would hope that you would at least call the police and paramedics, and check it for a pulse as well. Blue skin is generally a sign of hypothermia.

Or blue paint.

Why would anyone in their right mind coat themselves in blue paint and claim to be a century old archaeologist.

Just out of curiosity, what are your thoughts when you see Garrus? Do you wonder why Dirty Harry is suddenly wearing an ugly mask?

[Justicar]

onelifecrisis wrote...

This coming from the poster who "skipped 10 pages because I can"?

That's amazingly irrelevant. It has nothing to do with whether this is my first forum or if I'm new to the internet thing.

It's called being lazy, sir, you may have been it before.