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[slimgrin]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Did you accidently quote me? Because I wasn't talking about Samara or her taste.

I did. My mistake. My post was about why we never get to boogy with her.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 novembre 2011 - 11:50 .

[CptBomBom00]

FJVP wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

I don't know whose posts you've been reading, but in my ideal ME game, every character would wear lore-consistent armored hardsuits when they go into battle. Even Jack.

Based on this topic alone, people always seem to forget the character with the most ridiculous outfit and attack Miranda instead. 

Yeah I never understaned those people attacking Miranda, becaseu of her sexy outfit, I really loved the scene were camera goes from Shep onton her ass.! That made my day.<3:wub:

[Han Shot First]

slimgrin wrote...

If I had it my way, every character's dress and progression through the story would be consistent. Bioware hasn't done this. We have to live with that. But I dare anyone who really knows Samara, who has exhausted all the conversation options with her, to tell me she's pure fanservice.

Pure fan service? No, but then no character is.

She's just not less fan servicey than the other female squad mates.

[CptBomBom00]

every character has fans, and I think it will be good to see Samara back in ME3, even if she's gonna try kill Shepard.

[Nimrodell]

Well, I like Samara, especially 'cause mostly I live my life according to her code, but still there are gray areas for me... if she comes after my paragons or renengons because of The Arrival events... well, her arse or ****** are pretty much toasted... had enough of Kaidan/Ashley BS... and VS fans, apologies, I do understand all VS points of view, tis just me, I would never pull on Hamlet on my friend or love that just saved me in the first place anyway... I know BW screwed Horizon, but since it's screwed up, Im acting according to it... if one didn't see I'm actually fighting for all species survival... screw them.

[Darkstar Aurora]

Every aspect of Samara's armor is extrapolated from pre-established norms for asari uniform and attire based on military rank and age tier. Higher ranking asari have flared shoulders and elevated heels for the same reason that military rank in human armies was often indicated by the elevation of a hat (Mass Effect platinum hits edition, bonus disc art galleries). The only asari matriarch you ever see in combat prior to Samara wore ceremonial robes with a greater exposed torso area--and entered battle fields with raging Rachni and your entire team in that "improper" level of armor.

Asari all have breasts, and the notion that the exposure of them implies sexual desire or impractical combat makes baseless assumptions about asari physiology and culture based on human "norms". There is precise indication that asari have a heart, or that it is placed in their chest, or that they have specific internal organs at all..they could internally be jellyfish with a nervous system and cartillege frame for all any of you know. Asari matriarchs will have more element zero within their bodies than younger asari, since they rarely leave the homeworld and continue to absorb more of it through local food/water/enviroment throughout the 1000 years of their life. That means armor is consioderably less vital due to the strength of biotic barriers, and the physical exhaustion that comes from wearing armor would cut into that potential. This however is a moot issue, since Samara's attire IS armor, and appropriate for her race and physical capabilities. Moreover, if they DO have the equivalent of a heart and lungs then they also have involuntary nervous systems to keep them running--which means if any eezo nodules intersect those nerves they have persistent or localized mass effect fields (thus explaining why specific classes and allies have barriers instead of shields, without requiring biotic cooldown for it). Beyond that, Samara, Thane, and Miranda's sternum exposure is no less deadly than Shepard running around a battlefield without a helmet (or her/his visor up) when enemies have sniper rifles and smart targeting VI upgrades.

Since I am certain someone will mention her heels (and since people elsewhere on these forums cannot differentiate between a slightly elevated, thick heel and a comic book stilletto), once again they are in line with increased asari military rank and the idea that they interfere with movement (especially for biotically advanced asari) makes further assumptions on their physiology without any facts. The notion that a race expressly known for its agility and fluid movement would turn into a stumbling wreck by angle elevation in the heels is a bit of a stretch. When you add in the fact that all asari in the military have biotic training, and that Samara has matriarch tier abilities then the notion of her footwear causing movement-balance issues is also moot. The same reflexive gestures humans do to maintain balance can exist in asari as slight nerve impulses that trigger mass effect field fluctuations to maintain/halt current movement direction.

Now with the derailment of attire complaints sufficiently buried, the original issue of her role in ME3 can perhaps be returned to.

For my part, I think Samara's place in the galactic war is on Thessia, not as Shepard's lackey. While I would like to see her as a temporary ally in securing asari space and military alliance, and leading asari in final battles, I do think it would be pointless to have her meditating on the Normandy while the entire galaxy is at war and her people need her.

[slimgrin]

CptBomBom00 wrote...

every character has fans, and I think it will be good to see Samara back in ME3, even if she's gonna try kill Shepard.

This is entirely possible, and would make for a great dynamic in the plot. Samara would off Shepard without hesitation if it was within the code. She's already said as much.

Modifié par slimgrin, 19 novembre 2011 - 11:57 .

[CptBomBom00]

slimgrin wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

every character has fans, and I think it will be good to see Samara back in ME3, even if she's gonna try kill Shepard.

This is entirely possible, and would make for a great dynamic in the plot. Samara would off Sheaprd without hesitation if it was within the code. She's already said as much.

Well unfortunetlly for her Shepard can kill her, but us killing her like that would be a bummer, and I have gut feeling that maybe we only see her as a cameo, but if so I would like her to confront shepard about what happened in Arrival.

[CptBomBom00]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

CptBomBom00 wrote...

every character has fans, and I think it will be good to see Samara back in ME3, even if she's gonna try kill Shepard.

This is entirely possible, and would make for a great dynamic in the plot. Samara would off Shepard without hesitation if it was within the code. She's already said as much.

Actually, if I recall correctly, she says something about not wanting to have to kill Shep. If he's renegade or something. I've heard that, anyway.

Well we can only speculate right now, as we don't have any hard evidance about her making apperance in ME3, unless someone of you read the leaked script.:happy:

[VelvetStraitjacket]

Darkstar Aurora wrote...

Every aspect of Samara's armor is extrapolated from pre-established norms for asari uniform and attire based on military rank and age tier. Higher ranking asari have flared shoulders and elevated heels for the same reason that military rank in human armies was often indicated by the elevation of a hat (Mass Effect platinum hits edition, bonus disc art galleries). The only asari matriarch you ever see in combat prior to Samara wore ceremonial robes with a greater exposed torso area--and entered battle fields with raging Rachni and your entire team in that "improper" level of armor.

Asari all have breasts, and the notion that the exposure of them implies sexual desire or impractical combat makes baseless assumptions about asari physiology and culture based on human "norms". There is precise indication that asari have a heart, or that it is placed in their chest, or that they have specific internal organs at all..they could internally be jellyfish with a nervous system and cartillege frame for all any of you know. Asari matriarchs will have more element zero within their bodies than younger asari, since they rarely leave the homeworld and continue to absorb more of it through local food/water/enviroment throughout the 1000 years of their life. That means armor is consioderably less vital due to the strength of biotic barriers, and the physical exhaustion that comes from wearing armor would cut into that potential. This however is a moot issue, since Samara's attire IS armor, and appropriate for her race and physical capabilities. Moreover, if they DO have the equivalent of a heart and lungs then they also have involuntary nervous systems to keep them running--which means if any eezo nodules intersect those nerves they have persistent or localized mass effect fields (thus explaining why specific classes and allies have barriers instead of shields, without requiring biotic cooldown for it). Beyond that, Samara, Thane, and Miranda's sternum exposure is no less deadly than Shepard running around a battlefield without a helmet (or her/his visor up) when enemies have sniper rifles and smart targeting VI upgrades.

Since I am certain someone will mention her heels (and since people elsewhere on these forums cannot differentiate between a slightly elevated, thick heel and a comic book stilletto), once again they are in line with increased asari military rank and the idea that they interfere with movement (especially for biotically advanced asari) makes further assumptions on their physiology without any facts. The notion that a race expressly known for its agility and fluid movement would turn into a stumbling wreck by angle elevation in the heels is a bit of a stretch. When you add in the fact that all asari in the military have biotic training, and that Samara has matriarch tier abilities then the notion of her footwear causing movement-balance issues is also moot. The same reflexive gestures humans do to maintain balance can exist in asari as slight nerve impulses that trigger mass effect field fluctuations to maintain/halt current movement direction.

Now with the derailment of attire complaints sufficiently buried, the original issue of her role in ME3 can perhaps be returned to.

For my part, I think Samara's place in the galactic war is on Thessia, not as Shepard's lackey. While I would like to see her as a temporary ally in securing asari space and military alliance, and leading asari in final battles, I do think it would be pointless to have her meditating on the Normandy while the entire galaxy is at war and her people need her.

So much ****ing win right there. Thank you for that amazing post. I have no idea what's wrong with BSN and breasts. Some people around here make it seem like breasts are the antichrist for ****'s sake. And the fact that some of you can't take a character seriously because of their clothing(or lack of clothing) is pretty superficial and immature. But I'm not amazed, I remember all the "blonde Shep is a barbie bimbo" comments. Some people need to grow up.

Modifié par PsychoHitsPeach, 20 novembre 2011 - 12:09 .

[Customz]

[...]Samara's "sexualization" at least is solely visual. And let's not forget, she's an ALIEN. There's no reason to think that asari have the same attitude toward cleavage, nudity, etc., as humans. In fact, her massive cleavage is probably a sign that her outfit is "old-fashioned" for an asari, since the asari probably started buttoning their blouses about the time that they realized that human males tongues kept falling out, so probably a day after the two species met.

This is a bit far fetched but a very interesting theory and I like it. I also tought Liara's transformation from ME1 to ME2 to be wierd and I prefered her before, and I scrindge whenever people complain avout her lovely ME1 face (which is SUPERIOR). But they wanted to make it look like she went through hell after Shepard "died" and came out more mature (maybe even a precocious matron? lol). They failed at this though and it just looks wierd especially without reading the comics.

[CptBomBom00]

Well if we are about start proper ME sex talk count me in.

[Xilizhra]

Well, I at least agree with slimgrin on one thing, about the character of Samara. I just wish she was romanceable... though sometimes I don't because it'd make Liara even trickier. Though it is a shame she may get sidelined in ME3, even if that fate isn't really different from any other ME2 character.

[CptBomBom00]

I wonder how some of us ended up talking about sexual things in the first place?
Hmmmm?

[onelifecrisis]

Darkstar Aurora wrote...

Every aspect of Samara's armor is extrapolated from pre-established norms for asari uniform and attire based on military rank and age tier. Higher ranking asari have flared shoulders and elevated heels for the same reason that military rank in human armies was often indicated by the elevation of a hat (Mass Effect platinum hits edition, bonus disc art galleries). The only asari matriarch you ever see in combat prior to Samara wore ceremonial robes with a greater exposed torso area--and entered battle fields with raging Rachni and your entire team in that "improper" level of armor.

Asari all have breasts, and the notion that the exposure of them implies sexual desire or impractical combat makes baseless assumptions about asari physiology and culture based on human "norms". There is precise indication that asari have a heart, or that it is placed in their chest, or that they have specific internal organs at all..they could internally be jellyfish with a nervous system and cartillege frame for all any of you know. Asari matriarchs will have more element zero within their bodies than younger asari, since they rarely leave the homeworld and continue to absorb more of it through local food/water/enviroment throughout the 1000 years of their life. That means armor is consioderably less vital due to the strength of biotic barriers, and the physical exhaustion that comes from wearing armor would cut into that potential. This however is a moot issue, since Samara's attire IS armor, and appropriate for her race and physical capabilities. Moreover, if they DO have the equivalent of a heart and lungs then they also have involuntary nervous systems to keep them running--which means if any eezo nodules intersect those nerves they have persistent or localized mass effect fields (thus explaining why specific classes and allies have barriers instead of shields, without requiring biotic cooldown for it). Beyond that, Samara, Thane, and Miranda's sternum exposure is no less deadly than Shepard running around a battlefield without a helmet (or her/his visor up) when enemies have sniper rifles and smart targeting VI upgrades.

Since I am certain someone will mention her heels (and since people elsewhere on these forums cannot differentiate between a slightly elevated, thick heel and a comic book stilletto), once again they are in line with increased asari military rank and the idea that they interfere with movement (especially for biotically advanced asari) makes further assumptions on their physiology without any facts. The notion that a race expressly known for its agility and fluid movement would turn into a stumbling wreck by angle elevation in the heels is a bit of a stretch. When you add in the fact that all asari in the military have biotic training, and that Samara has matriarch tier abilities then the notion of her footwear causing movement-balance issues is also moot. The same reflexive gestures humans do to maintain balance can exist in asari as slight nerve impulses that trigger mass effect field fluctuations to maintain/halt current movement direction.

Yeah... well, either that or BW wanted a hot blue human babe with megacleavage. I wonder which it was.

[slimgrin]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, I at least agree with slimgrin on one thing, about the character of Samara. I just wish she was romanceable... though sometimes I don't because it'd make Liara even trickier. Though it is a shame she may get sidelined in ME3, even if that fate isn't really different from any other ME2 character.

Bioware did the right thing by making her untouchable in ME2. I grumbled at first, by my third playthrough I understood.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Never found Samara to be a very interesting character myself. She always comes across to me as a pretty run of the mill paladin.

To each their own.

[onelifecrisis]

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

Whats saddening is that people care more about the breast of Samara and all the chicks than the personality and the wonderful character behind it.

Not as sad as the severely repressed people who go to insane lengths to convince themselves that the gorgeous semi-naked lesbian human they're looking at isn't really naked or a lesbian, or even human, so it's okay to look at her.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 20 novembre 2011 - 12:36 .

[Xilizhra]

slimgrin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, I at least agree with slimgrin on one thing, about the character of Samara. I just wish she was romanceable... though sometimes I don't because it'd make Liara even trickier. Though it is a shame she may get sidelined in ME3, even if that fate isn't really different from any other ME2 character.

Bioware did the right thing by making her untouchable in ME2. I grumbled at first, by my third playthrough I understood.

Given the timing, you may be right. However, it'd be righter to have her be romanceable in ME3.

[ADLegend21]

Siansonea II wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

This card can be played with nearly every character. Miranda, Jacob, Jack, Kasumi, Tali. Take your pick.

Miranda yes, the rest not really.

All the human and asari main characters are sexualized to some extent. It's twoo. Samara's "sexualization" at least is solely visual. And let's not forget, she's an ALIEN. There's no reason to think that asari have the same attitude toward cleavage, nudity, etc., as humans. In fact, her massive cleavage is probably a sign that her outfit is "old-fashioned" for an asari, since the asari probably started buttoning their blouses about the time that they realized that human males tongues kept falling out, so probably a day after the two species met.

I think she says that it's a "hit me with your best shot" to opponents, or to use internet slang "come at me bro" after you get that, you die so make it count.

[slimgrin]

Xilizhra wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, I at least agree with slimgrin on one thing, about the character of Samara. I just wish she was romanceable... though sometimes I don't because it'd make Liara even trickier. Though it is a shame she may get sidelined in ME3, even if that fate isn't really different from any other ME2 character.

Bioware did the right thing by making her untouchable in ME2. I grumbled at first, by my third playthrough I understood.

Given the timing, you may be right. However, it'd be righter to have her be romanceable in ME3.

Or a boss fight. Either one is conceivable.

It's weird for me to address this topic now. I thought so much about it at ME2's release, but never posted my thoughts on why I thought Samara was a compelling character. With ME3 on the horizon, and no sign of her being included...well it just sucks.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 novembre 2011 - 12:46 .