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[Xilizhra]

slimgrin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, I at least agree with slimgrin on one thing, about the character of Samara. I just wish she was romanceable... though sometimes I don't because it'd make Liara even trickier. Though it is a shame she may get sidelined in ME3, even if that fate isn't really different from any other ME2 character.

Bioware did the right thing by making her untouchable in ME2. I grumbled at first, by my third playthrough I understood.

Given the timing, you may be right. However, it'd be righter to have her be romanceable in ME3.

Or a boss fight. Either one is conceivable.

It's weird for me to address this topic now. I thought so much about it at ME2's release, but never posted my thoughts on why I thought Samara was a compelling character. With ME3 on the horizon, and no sign of her being included...well it just sucks.

Well, boss fight for Renegades. That'll work too. But I'd prefer the romance... kinda.

I admit, I'd find it much harder to choose if I could have chosen between Samara and Liara early on...

[Han Shot First]

I'd rather Samara wasn't romanceable either.

"In another time..another life" shouldn't mean "In Mass Effect 3."

[Killjoy Cutter]

slimgrin wrote...

It's clear the Asari straddle the line of being a legitimate literary concept and blatant fan service. Thus Liara was born, a decent character with believable motivations. Then along came Samara. I get the impression that the writers took a long hard look at Liara and realized she was basically fan service. So they set about creating a more credible character, one who had a compelling past and more believable motivations, one who had strict morals, a rigid personailty, and most importantly, one we couldn't do the Asari black-eyed romp with.  Samara was a step in the right direction. If she doesn't play a significant role in ME2, if she isn't a crew member, it will be a lost opportunity imo. 

I assume you mean ME3... 

Of course, it's not Liara wearing the V-necked combat catsuit and the 4-inch fighting heals...  speaking of fanservice...

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 20 novembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[slimgrin]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

It's clear the Asari straddle the line of being a legitimate literary concept and blatant fan service. Thus Liara was born, a decent character with believable motivations. Then along came Samara. I get the impression that the writers took a long hard look at Liara and realized she was basically fan service. So they set about creating a more credible character, one who had a compelling past and more believable motivations, one who had strict morals, a rigid personailty, and most importantly, one we couldn't do the Asari black-eyed romp with.  Samara was a step in the right direction. If she doesn't play a significant role in ME2, if she isn't a crew member, it will be a lost opportunity imo. 

I assume you mean ME3... 

Of course, it's not Liara wearing the V-necked combat catsuit and the 4-inch fighting heals...  speaking of fanservice...

Once again, I know it's hard, but I ask people to look beyond the cleavage. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 novembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[onelifecrisis]

slimgrin wrote...

Once again, I know it's hard, but I ask people to look beyond the cleavage. 

"Beyond" = up? Or down?

[Killjoy Cutter]

slimgrin wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

It's clear the Asari straddle the line of being a legitimate literary concept and blatant fan service. Thus Liara was born, a decent character with believable motivations. Then along came Samara. I get the impression that the writers took a long hard look at Liara and realized she was basically fan service. So they set about creating a more credible character, one who had a compelling past and more believable motivations, one who had strict morals, a rigid personailty, and most importantly, one we couldn't do the Asari black-eyed romp with.  Samara was a step in the right direction. If she doesn't play a significant role in ME2, if she isn't a crew member, it will be a lost opportunity imo. 

I assume you mean ME3... 

Of course, it's not Liara wearing the V-necked combat catsuit and the 4-inch fighting heals...  speaking of fanservice...

Once again, I know it's hard, but I ask people to look beyond the cleavage. You can read, right?

That is how I take part in an online text-based discussion medium, yes. 

You can't specifically bring up fanservice and then arbitrarily exclude the fanservice outfit that a particular character is wearing.

[slimgrin]

Sharingan Master wrote...

The Asari are in fact, for lack of a better term, the galaxy's spank bank. .

More than this?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sharingan Master wrote...

The Asari are in fact, for lack of a better term, the galaxy's spank bank. That includes Liara, Samara, Benezia, Morinth and pretty much anyone else you can think of. That fact cannot be circumvented. No matter how detached, rigid or calculating they make the character (Samara).

You're free to look at the characters that way if you wish. 

Personally, I don't.

[Killjoy Cutter]

slimgrin wrote...

Sharingan Master wrote...

The Asari are in fact, for lack of a better term, the galaxy's spank bank. .

More than this?

Well, I wasn't going to say it, but since you... mentioned Miranda... that's far more fanservicey than we ever get from Liara. 

[Iakus]

slimgrin wrote...


Once again, I know it's hard, but I ask people to look beyond the cleavage. 

The fact that it's hard to look beyond it is actually part of the problem 

[slimgrin]

This thread needs do counter my bias that Bioware is making games primarily for teens.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 novembre 2011 - 01:42 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

slimgrin wrote...

This thread needs do counter my bias that Bioware is making games primarily for teens.

Depends on the game.  ME and DA seem to be getting more "sexed up" as we move from original to sequel.

[onelifecrisis]

slimgrin wrote...

This thread needs do counter my bias that Bioware is making games primarily for teens.

Oh no, trust me, us 30-somethings like cleavage too.

[Xilizhra]

Given that Samara's outfit would clash badly with her character if it was wholly intended for fanservice, I think that's an argument that can be made in favor of it having other purposes. I'm certain it does have nonsexual reasons for existing in-universe.

[Labrev]

Like I said in the Jack-redesign thread, that you rail on her skimpy outfit and shallow character is ironic considering your Samara love.

Jack is clearly less sexualized than Samara (Jack's apprearance in general is not meant to appeal, but detract). And as a character, Samara's great "wisdom" entails some very foolish lines of thinking.

And being as I am over 20 and a fan of this game, I don't buy that BW is catering to teens on this game either.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 20 novembre 2011 - 01:56 .

[onelifecrisis]

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that Samara's outfit would clash badly with her character if it was wholly intended for fanservice, I think that's an argument that can be made in favor of it having other purposes. I'm certain it does have nonsexual reasons for existing in-universe.

Take away the shoulders and all that's left is a catsuit. Give me some nonsexual reasons for a catsuit.

[DeathDragon185]

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that Samara's outfit would clash badly with her character if it was wholly intended for fanservice, I think that's an argument that can be made in favor of it having other purposes. I'm certain it does have nonsexual reasons for existing in-universe.

I think the problem is that Samara's outfit DOES clash with her character. 

[Xilizhra]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that Samara's outfit would clash badly with her character if it was wholly intended for fanservice, I think that's an argument that can be made in favor of it having other purposes. I'm certain it does have nonsexual reasons for existing in-universe.

Take away the shoulders and all that's left is a catsuit. Give me some nonsexual reasons for a catsuit.

Breasts don't seem to be primarily sexual for asari, at least in the pre-meeting-humans culture (humans are, I think the only species that actually has breasts other than asari, and they wouldn't have used them as a primary means to attract other species). And Samara became a justicar long before first contact.

[Killjoy Cutter]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

The problem is characters wearing counter-productive sexy outfits WHILE doing violence to the wicked. 

[GMagnum]

samara had herpe dat da only reasun y she din giv u none in me2

[onelifecrisis]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

This is a combat game with ostensibly "serious" characters.

If we were discussing a game called Porn Director 2 then nobody would complain about the outfits, though some might complain if characters in the game started pulling out weapons and killing people.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:04 .