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[Sgt Stryker]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

DeathDragon185 wrote...

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

The problem is characters wearing counter-productive sexy outfits WHILE doing violence to the wicked. 

Finally someone else gets it. Now if only people who thought the way you and I think were the majority of Bioware's fanbase.

[Xilizhra]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

DeathDragon185 wrote...

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

The problem is characters wearing counter-productive sexy outfits WHILE doing violence to the wicked. 

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

DeathDragon185 wrote...

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

The problem is characters wearing counter-productive sexy outfits WHILE doing violence to the wicked. 

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

And if Samara would just zip up I could believe that her outfit is a modified version of commando armor

[Homey C-Dawg]

Funny how entertainment gets more violent and sexualized at the target audience gets younger. Seems like it should be the opposite.

[Iakus]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

DeathDragon185 wrote...

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

The problem is characters wearing counter-productive sexy outfits WHILE doing violence to the wicked. 

Finally someone else gets it. Now if only people who thought the way you and I think were the majority of Bioware's fanbase.

+1

[DeathDragon185]

Xilizhra wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

DeathDragon185 wrote...

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

The problem is characters wearing counter-productive sexy outfits WHILE doing violence to the wicked. 

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

and we finally have a winner

[mauro2222]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Like I said in the Jack-redesign thread, that you rail on her skimpy outfit and shallow character is ironic considering your Samara love.

Jack is clearly less sexualized than Samara (Jack's apprearance in general is not meant to appeal, but detract). And as a character, Samara's great "wisdom" entails some very foolish lines of thinking.

And being as I am over 20 and a fan of this game, I don't buy that BW is catering to teens on this game either.

Nobody here was pissing on Jack. There was only one comment and it was in defence of Miranda. Jack is a great character and her outfit goes well with her, in combat it's different.

Samara's great "wisdom" as you put it, it's a wisdom that has grown withing the justicar code, don't expect to understand it or accept it.

[DeathDragon185]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Funny how entertainment gets more violent and sexualized at the target audience gets younger. Seems like it should be the opposite.

Older people are opposed the violence and sex appeal.
while younger people are not. 

hey your right it should be the other way around. this is why society is going downhill.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Xilizhra wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

DeathDragon185 wrote...

It's funny how people get pissed at sexy outfits but have no problem with shooting people in the face and stabbing people with a omniblade.

The problem is characters wearing counter-productive sexy outfits WHILE doing violence to the wicked. 

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

We've seen plenty of lightweight combat armor in the game that wouldn't slow an experience commando down one bit, and would provide a functional backup to the barrier.  Never mind the shirt open almost to the belly doesn't provide an environmental seal... 

And never mind the 4+ inch stilleto heels in combat...

[mauro2222]

Xilizhra wrote...

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

This. In fact asari commandos should have been the strongest fighters in the galaxy, but gameplay and the always changing lore makes sure that this doesn't happen. We have to remember that biotics are the most formidable warriors, and that asari can live up to 1200 years and are naturally biotics. All those years of training...

[Homey C-Dawg]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Funny how entertainment gets more violent and sexualized at the target audience gets younger. Seems like it should be the opposite.

Older people are opposed the violence and sex appeal.
while younger people are not. 

hey your right it should be the other way around. this is why society is going downhill.

One of many reasons anyways.

Anyway on topic: I like individual asari (Shiala is one of my favorite characters), but I've never felt the asari race as a whole was anything but pure fanservice. Biowares statement during the making of mass effect video that they were designed as "blue skinned space babes" seals the deal.

[Xilizhra]

We've seen plenty of lightweight combat armor in the game that wouldn't slow an experience commando down one bit, and would provide a functional backup to the barrier. Never mind the shirt open almost to the belly doesn't provide an environmental seal...

I would count this as more significant if it wasn't the case for... well, everyone except Garrus, Grunt, Thane and Tali (possibly Zaeed, though I don't quite remember). They all have parts exposed to potentially hazardous areas (and though Grunt has a helmet, his armor isn't fully sealed). It's a universal plothole and not really fair to attack Samara for.

And never mind the 4+ inch stilleto heels in combat...

Firstly, they're quite thick, not stilettos at all. Secondly, it's a means of increasing height, like the huge hats humans used.

[DeathDragon185]

Asari are different than Humans okay, why are we arguing??
Legion: "To apply another species ethics to another is racist"(im am paraphrasing here i can't really remember)

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

We've seen plenty of lightweight combat armor in the game that wouldn't slow an experience commando down one bit, and would provide a functional backup to the barrier. Never mind the shirt open almost to the belly doesn't provide an environmental seal...

I would count this as more significant if it wasn't the case for... well, everyone except Garrus, Grunt, Thane and Tali (possibly Zaeed, though I don't quite remember). They all have parts exposed to potentially hazardous areas (and though Grunt has a helmet, his armor isn't fully sealed). It's a universal plothole and not really fair to attack Samara for.

Believe me, I've mentioned that before on other threads.

And Grunt's armor is sleeveless 

Modifié par iakus, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

mauro2222 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

This. In fact asari commandos should have been the strongest fighters in the galaxy, but gameplay and the always changing lore makes sure that this doesn't happen. We have to remember that biotics are the most formidable warriors, and that asari can live up to 1200 years and are naturally biotics. All those years of training...

You'd think in those hundreds of years they'd learn the value of having a passive layer of protection to augment their barriers, deal with ambushes, protect against environmental hazards, etc. 

But... that wouldn't be sexy, would it?

[mauro2222]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

This. In fact asari commandos should have been the strongest fighters in the galaxy, but gameplay and the always changing lore makes sure that this doesn't happen. We have to remember that biotics are the most formidable warriors, and that asari can live up to 1200 years and are naturally biotics. All those years of training...

You'd think in those hundreds of years they'd learn the value of having a passive layer of protection to augment their barriers, deal with ambushes, protect against environmental hazards, etc. 

But... that wouldn't be sexy, would it?

Asari commandos wear armor...

[Goneaviking]

Her costume is fanservice. Regardless of the merits of arguments as to why she doesn't need armour over her cleavage because of her biotics, or the trends of asari fashion, or similarities between the costume and asari commando armour those aren't the reason it looks the way it does.

The appearance was chosen for it's aesthetic merits, not it's (theoretical) functionality.

I try not to let it detract from the rest of the character, or from the game overall. Aside from Jack, Samara is my favourite character created for ME2 with solid characterisations and enjoyable recruitment and loyalty missions. The creation of the Justicar for ME2, the role it plays in asari society and the way other asari react to them add to the game and it's mythology.

The order is often characterised as having a black and white code of morality, but dialoguing with Samara paints a more nuanced picture of competing priorities functioning within a rigid framework.

Also, Samara shoots you down when you try to get into her pants.

So my thinking: Samara isn't mere fanservice, but the costume does give me pause.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Xilizhra wrote...

We've seen plenty of lightweight combat armor in the game that wouldn't slow an experience commando down one bit, and would provide a functional backup to the barrier. Never mind the shirt open almost to the belly doesn't provide an environmental seal...

I would count this as more significant if it wasn't the case for... well, everyone except Garrus, Grunt, Thane and Tali (possibly Zaeed, though I don't quite remember). They all have parts exposed to potentially hazardous areas (and though Grunt has a helmet, his armor isn't fully sealed). It's a universal plothole and not really fair to attack Samara for.

And never mind the 4+ inch stilleto heels in combat...

Firstly, they're quite thick, not stilettos at all. Secondly, it's a means of increasing height, like the huge hats humans used.

They're a way to ruin your balance in a fight. 

You're right, there is a general fault in the appearances of many of the other squadies in ME2.  However, the nature of what Samara wears, and how it conflicts with her character, is entirely germane to this thread -- check the thread title. 

[DeathDragon185]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

This. In fact asari commandos should have been the strongest fighters in the galaxy, but gameplay and the always changing lore makes sure that this doesn't happen. We have to remember that biotics are the most formidable warriors, and that asari can live up to 1200 years and are naturally biotics. All those years of training...

You'd think in those hundreds of years they'd learn the value of having a passive layer of protection to augment their barriers, deal with ambushes, protect against environmental hazards, etc. 

But... that wouldn't be sexy, would it?

Why is it people don't want charaters to look good?

[Killjoy Cutter]

mauro2222 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

This. In fact asari commandos should have been the strongest fighters in the galaxy, but gameplay and the always changing lore makes sure that this doesn't happen. We have to remember that biotics are the most formidable warriors, and that asari can live up to 1200 years and are naturally biotics. All those years of training...

You'd think in those hundreds of years they'd learn the value of having a passive layer of protection to augment their barriers, deal with ambushes, protect against environmental hazards, etc. 

But... that wouldn't be sexy, would it?

Asari commandos wear armor...

And so they do.  Most of them even know to zip up the part over their chest and neck...

[Iakus]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

Asari are different than Humans okay, why are we arguing??
Legion: "To apply another species ethics to another is racist"(im am paraphrasing here i can't really remember)

1) Nothing in game or in the codex indicates that the asari, like humans, do not have vital organs placed in the torso.  The fact that Thane killed Nassana Dantius by shooting her there in fact seems to support this.

2) The game is not marketed to asari.

[Chromie]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

This. In fact asari commandos should have been the strongest fighters in the galaxy, but gameplay and the always changing lore makes sure that this doesn't happen. We have to remember that biotics are the most formidable warriors, and that asari can live up to 1200 years and are naturally biotics. All those years of training...

You'd think in those hundreds of years they'd learn the value of having a passive layer of protection to augment their barriers, deal with ambushes, protect against environmental hazards, etc. 

But... that wouldn't be sexy, would it?

Why is it people don't want charaters to look good?

*insert bull**** immersion excuse*

[Killjoy Cutter]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Samara's barriers are going to be extremely formidable. Actual combat risk is minimal, and asari prefer to wear light outfits during battle for maximum mobility (the commandos just seem to wear leather).

This. In fact asari commandos should have been the strongest fighters in the galaxy, but gameplay and the always changing lore makes sure that this doesn't happen. We have to remember that biotics are the most formidable warriors, and that asari can live up to 1200 years and are naturally biotics. All those years of training...

You'd think in those hundreds of years they'd learn the value of having a passive layer of protection to augment their barriers, deal with ambushes, protect against environmental hazards, etc. 

But... that wouldn't be sexy, would it?

Why is it people don't want charaters to look good?

I want characters to look right.  I don't care if they're "sexy". 

The Stargate TV series managed to have Carter in full combat gear on missions as often as the male characters...

[Dean_the_Young]

iakus wrote...

And if Samara would just zip up I could believe that her outfit is a modified version of commando armor

Personally, I thought that lowering the thermostat of the Normandy would have done just about everyone on the ship some good.

[Homey C-Dawg]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

Asari are different than Humans okay, why are we arguing??
Legion: "To apply another species ethics to another is racist"(im am paraphrasing here i can't really remember)

"No two species are identical. All must be judged on their own merits. Treating every species like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism." 

That's a great line by Legion.