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[Sohe]

So, what do you guys think? Not everyone can get their wish for ME3, But at least Bioware is trying!

Modifié par Sohe, 19 novembre 2011 - 11:17 .

[carilynn46]

yeah I agree, people are being to.... how do you say..."dependent" on the leaked info instead of taking into consideration that things have changed probably a lot since then. but for their defense they have been looking for new information on ME3, hell we all have - so when things get leaked people hold onto it as truth until more updated concrete facts are thrown our way because lets face it nothing is certain until we play the game in march or until bioware/casey hudson start confirming and denying things.

[Sohe]

D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

If people wouldnt have read it in the first place then they wouldnt be in this situation. I'll reserve full judgement until the game comes out

Well I didnt mean JUST the spoilers in general, I meann't, Are people complaining too much about what they can or cannot have?

[carilynn46]

yes yes they are well not ALL people just a few THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE!!! lol

[alperez]

The problem with going with the flow and relaxing is that despite what some people believe so far everything that some people feared seems to be coming true.

Some people feared that mass effect would incorporate some form of MP, bioware gave their traditional non answers when asked countless times about the subject until finally lo and behold revealing that yes indeed MP was incorporated.

We've also had the DA2 debacle fresh in people's minds where again people were told that there was no issues with the complaints they made only to find once released that surprise surprise there really was.

So now we have a script leak and once again some people are annoyed/upset by certain aspects contained in that script, where once again they see in some cases their worst fears regarding mass effect seemingly proved true, bioware come out with their statment that its old, its incomplete and they're actually still working on the script itself so people shouldn't be concerned.

The problem is that when you keep answering with non answers, when you've shown that your willing to almost directly lie to people (in terms of da2) then your word isn't going to be good enough for everyone to take.

Some people are willing to give bioware more of a benefit of the doubt, others who feel they've been burned by doing so in the past are less willing, which of these attitudes turns out to be the correct one will only be proved right once me3 is actually released.

But like i said for some people, bioware have less credit in the bank than they once did and its because of this they're more likely to think negatively rather than postively when they see evidence (no matter how true or complete) or their worst fears being realised.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Sohe wrote...

So, what do you guys think? Not everyone can get their wish for ME3, But at least Bioware is trying!

By completing negating an entire morality path?

[Xilizhra]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Sohe wrote...

So, what do you guys think? Not everyone can get their wish for ME3, But at least Bioware is trying!

By completing negating an entire morality path?

They're not. Renegades can still win.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Sohe wrote...

So, what do you guys think? Not everyone can get their wish for ME3, But at least Bioware is trying!

By completing negating an entire morality path?

They're not. Renegades can still win.

It's not the destination that matters...

[Xilizhra]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Sohe wrote...

So, what do you guys think? Not everyone can get their wish for ME3, But at least Bioware is trying!

By completing negating an entire morality path?

They're not. Renegades can still win.

It's not the destination that matters...

So "the end justifies the means" and all that doesn't apply to Renegades nearly as much as the game says it does?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Sohe wrote...

So, what do you guys think? Not everyone can get their wish for ME3, But at least Bioware is trying!

By completing negating an entire morality path?

They're not. Renegades can still win.

It's not the destination that matters...

So "the end justifies the means" and all that doesn't apply to Renegades nearly as much as the game says it does?

From an in-game perspective it does, most of the time.

Looking at the game as a product, however, I want my story to be one I can enjoy. Not some bunch of non-sensical railroading.

[Xilizhra]

From an in-game perspective it does, most of the time.

Looking at the game as a product, however, I want my story to be one I can enjoy. Not some bunch of non-sensical railroading.

Ahh, and there's the interesting little trick with Renegade.
Renegade isn't just about throwing away the ideals you don't agree with in the first place to get the job done, but all of them that are necessary, even if you do agree with them, to get the job done.

[Seboist]

Of course it's possible to win as "Renegade" as it's nothing more than the Paragon path with less content and joke dialogue.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Of course it's possible to win as "Renegade" as it's nothing more than the Paragon path with less content and joke dialogue.

Well, yes, the trail of corpses you leave in the hopes of appealing to politically apathetic bloodthirsty Koopas and gratitude-less corporations may not be so conducive to future content.

[Sohe]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Now now, this isn't a PvR thread...

agreed!

[aiDvEoN]

Everything is a PvR thread Ambiguity. Especially ones that aren't

[Killjoy Cutter]

From what I've seen lately, every thread is evidently either a PvR thread, or a thread just waiting for a bitter all-Renegade player to make it into one... as long as Bioware has a significant number of the "red" choices being "space-jerk for the lolz" choices, I don't have much sympathy for people who insist on always clicking red anyway.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 20 novembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[Labrev]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

From what I've seen lately, every thread is evidently either a PvR thread, or a thread just waiting for a bitter all-Renegade player to make it into one...

Co-sign. When I first came to this site I thought renegade players had legitimate gripes with the game. Now I see what it really is, they are just one of the many entitled factions of fans on this site. But a particularly loud and annoying one.

First it was "Hayyyy!!! Why do paragornz get the special stuff??" and now that BW has tried specifically not to withhold gameplay from any players based on decisions, it has become "Hayyy!!! We're getting the same stuff as paragornz???"

They only have their own attitudes to blame. They are literally complaining about leaks that should actually not only validate the previous decision they made, but also show they won't be missing out on a mission for it either (particular case-in-point, the rachni spoilers in ME3). Instead it's become a whine-fest about how "our decisions don't matter!"

If they get anything less than not just total victory, but knowing that players who chose the opposite decisions suffer immenselely, then the game is terrible and paragon-biased.

Now, this could have been avoided without BW's awful morality system that punished players who (1) don't play the character extreme towards one side, putting in conflicts that were nigh resolveable without a huge score in the paragon or renegade... or (2) didn't play ME1 and don't have the hefty bonus to help them out. If not for that, the RPG system becomes less a question of morality and more of the choices made.

... But at some point, you still have to take responsibility for the actions you make too, as a player. Like, destroying Maelon's genophage data and then expecting to have the same shot at helping cure the krogan in ME3 (a decision that has the complete opposite line of thinking behind it as saving/destroying the Collector Base).

So now every thread on this site is a soap-box for them to rant and rave. Misery loves company. They are miserable, and want the fans who want to enjoy the game to be miserable too.


As they continue to post away on the message-board for the game they claim to no longer be excited for and will not play, heh

[HiroVoid]

If you'll don't like topics where renegades are complaining, why are you going to them? I go to threads I get frustrated about, but I don't blame anyone, but myself for going to them in the first place.

As for the topic, Saphra obviously went way too far and got appropirately banned for it when I saw her posting in all types of threads and insulting people.  Otherwise, I don't see a problem in complaining about it in the appropriate threads that are about that.

Modifié par HiroVoid, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:10 .

[Labrev]

HiroVoid wrote...

If you'll don't like topics where renegades are complaining, why are you going to them? I go to threads I get frustrated about, but I don't blame anyone, but myself for going to them in the first place.

As for the topic, Saphra obviously went way too far and got appropirately banned for it when I saw her posting in all types of threads and insulting people.  Otherwise, I don't see a problem in complaining about it in the appropriate threads that are about that.

Topics are meant for on-topic discussion. I open these threads to read/talk about the game, not sift through ME3 pessimist whine-fests. Unfortunately, one can't open a topic about NG+'s without obligatory complaint-posts from the likes of Kaiser Shepard.

That side takes it upon themselves to complain, complaint-specific topics aren't even needed. Because this is a thread specifically on the topoc of complaining is the only reason I'm even giving my two-cents on the matter myself.

What's up your arse HiroVoid? If you don't have a problem with complaining in a complain-thread...

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:33 .