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[petipas1414]

I've read the leaks and I'm not complaining.

The script itself had a lot of holes in it... you could really tell a lot was missing. That, and the fact that the stuff that was there was awfully vague and seemed to reflect only one out of however many variants of the situation there actually were.

When you add that stuff to the fact that said script was an "early version", you should have no reason to complain

[Killjoy Cutter]

I've seen very little complaining that would fall under "too much", so I'd have to say that the answer is "no" overall.

There's one fandom I've seen however that seems to think that because their special favorite thing in ME gets exposed for what it is in ME3, that the "writing is pathetic". LoL.

[Labrev]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I've seen very little complaining that would fall under "too much", so I'd have to say that the answer is "no" overall.

There's one fandom I've seen however that seems to think that because their special favorite thing in ME gets exposed for what it is in ME3, that the "writing is pathetic". LoL.

Don't be coy. Say it loudly and proudly: the Cerberus loyalists.

You seriously can't win against that bunch. Since TIM brought Shepard back to life and saved humanity against the Collectors, he is this great big hero and savior. Since he wants Shepard dead in ME3, it's not him, it's the writers' fault for turning their hero into a villain (as if a villain can't be a great character in his/her own right).

You can't have it both ways. Either he is what he is, or his character just never made sense.

And it's all because of the game's paragon-favoritism. Nevermind how plainly obvious they made it *beforehand* that Cerberus would probably betray Shepard. Every NPC and their grandma pretty much told you "Cerberus betrays their allies."

But no, it's all because BW wants to pander to the majority. (The majority that at least wasn't too stupid to see those blatantly-obvious hints about what was going to happen before there was even a majority in the first place).

It's like the classic dim-witted broad who stays with her abusive boyfriend thinking he's really a good guy and it's not him when she gets beaten the crap out of by him, and continues to stay because of her attachment to the guy.

[Xilizhra]

It's like the classic dim-witted broad who stays with her abusive boyfriend thinking he's really a good guy and it's not him when she gets beaten the crap out of by him, and continues to stay because of her attachment to the guy.

"Dim-witted" is unfair, but that general tendency does seem to exist. I've noted it most in Laecraft, who seems to be the Harley Quinn of Cerberus loyalists.

[HiroVoid]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

If you'll don't like topics where renegades are complaining, why are you going to them? I go to threads I get frustrated about, but I don't blame anyone, but myself for going to them in the first place.

As for the topic, Saphra obviously went way too far and got appropirately banned for it when I saw her posting in all types of threads and insulting people.  Otherwise, I don't see a problem in complaining about it in the appropriate threads that are about that.

Topics are meant for on-topic discussion. I open these threads to read/talk about the game, not sift through ME3 pessimist whine-fests. Unfortunately, one can't open a topic about NG+'s without obligatory complaint-posts from the likes of Kaiser Shepard.

That side takes it upon themselves to complain, complaint-specific topics aren't even needed. Because this is a thread specifically on the topoc of complaining is the only reason I'm even giving my two-cents on the matter myself.

What's up your arse HiroVoid? If you don't have a problem with complaining in a complain-thread...

Like I said, as long as they're talking about it in threads that have relevance to it, it's fine as long as they're on-topic.  If they talked about it randomly from a NG+ thread, or it got derailed to that, that's wrong.

Isn't the point of this thread to discuss about the complaints?

[Labrev]

^ and that's what I'm doing, discussing complaints/complaining, what's the problem here? I normally don't even humor it in derailed topics (even "Tali vs. Liara" is not safe from PvR wars).

But, since this is a thread specifically on topic of complaints, here's a piece of my mind for everyone to chew on. OM NOM NOM NOM!

[BlueMagitek]

Tali and Liara are both pretty renegade. >_>

Let's see... complaints are bound to happen regardless, and this isn't nearly as bad as the Sonic fanbase. ~_^

[HiroVoid]

Tali and Liara are paragades. They're paragon, but they do have some renegade tendencies. Another example would be that I would categorize Mordin as a Renegon(Renegade, but also leaning towards paragon).

[HiroVoid]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

^ and that's what I'm doing, discussing complaints/complaining, what's the problem here? I normally don't even humor it in derailed topics (even "Tali vs. Liara" is not safe from PvR wars).

But, since this is a thread specifically on topic of complaints, here's a piece of my mind for everyone to chew on. OM NOM NOM NOM!

No problem then.  I was just asking a question, and I decided if they go into a topic where it's not needed or off-topic, that's not good.

[Abraham_uk]

Yes they are, and what did you expect? This is Bioware Social Network. This is the home of extremes related to Bioware.

[Dreadwing 67]

In regards to the leaked script, If I have seen the same script everyone else whining has, It looks vastly incomplete, and even has Blank spots to show how undone it is.

If everyone has seen a complete script, my argument is invalid, and they have an ungodly ability to see how ME3 will turn out.

[alperez]

In terms of the leaked script those who defend it put forward 2 arguments, 1. that its incomplete (which is true) and 2. That Bioware have said they're still working on it and its an old draft anyway (which is unknown if true or not).

For the first argument the problem is that it doesn't need to be complete to give a flavour of what's to be expected in me3, there are enough details and plot points in the script to give a general feel as to what people are to expect.

A lot of the problems people have with the leaked script is that in some of the cases the direction in terms of plot points, character arcs and consequences of choices are their worst case scenarios.

They see character arcs being decimated or assassinated, plot points created not to further the story but to place particular characters in contrived situations and almost a complete negating not just of the choices they've made but almost the entire 2 games they've played to reach this point.

Which surprise surprise makes them unhappy and not entirely comfortable with what they've seen so naturally they complain.

As for the second point, well while true people also have an experience with Bioware that shows that in certain cases what they say shouldn't be taken on face value, when concerns were raised with DA2 based on a leak people were told exactly the same thing, that it was incomplete and it was still being worked on, when it was realeased people found that nothing significant had really changed.

During me2's same stage of devolpment all questions regarding how Wrex and the VS were being handled were met with the same non commital responses, those who questioned this were told they should just wait until the game was released to experience it for themselves, only to find that once the game was released the fears they had were proved entirely correct.

When me1 was released Bioware's reputation amongst their core fans was second to none, they had built up a significant level of trust and goodwill and most fans were entirely happy to give them any benefit of doubt and forgive them almost any mistakes or miscommunication.

Things have changed, be it the takeover from Ea or the perceived new direction that Bioware have moved into, for some fans that goodwill and trust has been diminished over time and these leaks have diminished that trust even further.

Only time will prove whether or not those who complain were right or wrong to do so, even then there are people who will feel that there was nothing to complain about, that the experience they get from Me3 is exactly the one they expected and hoped for, for others though me3 may be the straw that broke the camel's back situation.

[alperez]

Arcian wrote...

EDIT: To stay on topic, the answer is YES. People are complaining way too damn much. Their contrived sense of self-entitlement is absolutely fist-in-mouth retarded.

So people shouldn't feel self entitled about a product that requires them to spend their money to enjoy?

Bear in mind me3 isn't free, Bioware aren't making a product out of some altruistic desire to give something to people, they're making a product and charging for that product. Also bear in mind that unlike other single experience games ME3 is the third act in a trilogy, its where the story ends and where the effects of all the actions your Shepard has taken have brought him/her to.

When your promised choice and told you'll see the consequences of those choices through me1 then me2 and finally me3 and when you read a script that pretty much negates practially every choice you've made to that point, then surely your entitled to complain that what you bought into wasn't what you thought it was or how it turned out to be.

Now are people right to complain without first spending their money on the game, well if you ordered a computer, a monitor and a keyboard and the delivery person turned up with a computer, came back with a monitor and then came back with a watch and asked you to pay, would you? or would you complain loudly that this wasn't what you ordered?.

That in essence is what some people see with the leaked script, they see not what they wanted so they complain about it, isn't that their right as consumers, or should they wait until they actually have spent their money first to complain?

[alperez]

Arcian

Don't get me wrong i agree, don't like it, don't buy it, is as simple a solution as there could be, i do disagree though that its only cerberus fans who are shouting their dislike, go into the VS threads or groups and you'll find some very angry people there also, but i i digress.

But we have Bioware on one hand telling people that they are tweaking the script still, so shouldn't people announce their feelings now also?

Personally i'm voting with my money, i'll buy, judge and decide for myself how i feel, whether i like or dislike what i see only time will tell, it doesn't stop me being more concerned than i really should be at this point, be it because of how certain people perceive what me3 will be like or my own feelings after reading the leaks.

As for the atheist, lmao i knew someone who did exactly that, only he also mooned the congregation on his way out, which is just another reason why i no longer go to church lol.

[alperez]

Arcian

Yeah i get that, but those people live to complain, you gotta remember the worst thing about the internet is internet cohones, so people can feel free to **** and moan and annoy the hell out of anyone they wish, without the risk of a slap in the chops.

[BlueMagitek]

Arcian wrote...
You and the entire Cerberus fanclub are f***ing hypocrites. Everyone who played colonist Shepards Shepards opposed to Cerberus in ME1 in general got railroaded into working with them in ME2 regardless. However, in your crusade of b*tching and moaning, you've never brought that up since it would refute your claim that only Cerberus fans have gotten shafted.

EDIT: To stay on topic, the answer is YES. People are complaining way too damn much. Their contrived sense of self-entitlement is absolutely fist-in-mouth retarded.

I think you mean the Survivor Shepard; I don't recall Cerberus forcing Batarians to attack Mindoir.

And yes, not being able to confront TIM about that (something you think would be on Shepard's mind if he did that sidequest in ME1 where you find out it was Cerberus caused) was a bit annoying.