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[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

I really don't think you understand the concepts at play here. Not surprising.

It sounds like you really want to be banned again. That can be arranged.

Oh, I didn't know disagreeing with you was grounds for banning nowadays.

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Oh, I didn't know disagreeing with you was grounds for banning nowadays.

No, but changing the name of the person you're quoting and calling them dense is.

[Ticktank]

Saphra Deden wrote...

On the contrary, Organization X has accomplished everything I ever envisioned and more.

Organization X is more than just an Organization, it is a belief, a mindset, and it will endure.

Kinda like Mr. OBL and Al Qaeda, if I'm getting it right? If so, I'm inclined to agree.

Anyhow, my issue isn't with Cerberus being evil (which I think it is). Its more to do with TIM's predictable hypocracy (sp). After what Cerberus has done and some of the things he's said, its hard to believe that the organization is still really looking out for humanity's interest, if it even was in the first place.

Sure, they can play the "humanity's interests" card. But history is filled with examples of evil people/organizations using that line. Who the hell does evil in the name of evil? Its almost always in the name of good. Especially at the start.

Eugenics is supposed to be for humanity's interests.
Slavery was (at one time) supposed to be for humanity's interests.
MODERN feminism is supposed to be for humanity's interests.
That awful building across my house that gets crowded every Sunday morning is supposed to be there for humanity's interests.

But are they?

I personally thought the scene where TIM said (let it slip?) that "Cerberus is Humanity" was a pivotal one. Because to me, he's basically admitting that Cerberus is only looking out for itself. Cerberus is not humanity. The elected government of your country is not your country.

[Someone With Mass]

Arcian wrote...

TIM keeps reeling in retards with promises of freedom and dental insurances, both of which new recruits will never, ever see. That's how Cerby has survived.

Why are they a threat? Because they're like homicidal/suicidal lemmings with big guns, armor and a 2000 terabit/second brain uplink connection to the Reapers.

Let's not forget the tech they're using either.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...
I don't think so.
Ieldra2's point is mostly about "necessary" evil (which at least can be debated, even if it's likely a dead end) and emotional over-reaction.
Yours is just "usefulness" (not "necessity") is enough to justify anything, which can lead to stupid things like the example above.

Is it not necessary?

When the reapers arrive every advantage is necessary. We already know the reaces in ME3 win soley because of a McGuffin (Cerberus supplied no less). When you're fighting a loosing war that ends with the extinction of sentiant life in the galaxy, EVERYTHING is justified.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Arcian wrote...

TIM keeps reeling in retards with promises of freedom and dental insurances, both of which new recruits will never, ever see. That's how Cerby has survived.

Why are they a threat? Because they're like homicidal/suicidal lemmings with big guns, armor and a 2000 terabit/second brain uplink connection to the Reapers.

Hold on hold on hold on!


They've got dental?!?!?!?!

The fething Spectres don't even have dental!!!

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Oh, I didn't know disagreeing with you was grounds for banning nowadays.

No, but changing the name of the person you're quoting and calling them dense is.

He did nothing of the sort?

[Dean_the_Young]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Arcian wrote...

TIM keeps reeling in retards with promises of freedom and dental insurances, both of which new recruits will never, ever see. That's how Cerby has survived.

Why are they a threat? Because they're like homicidal/suicidal lemmings with big guns, armor and a 2000 terabit/second brain uplink connection to the Reapers.

Hold on hold on hold on!


They've got dental?!?!?!?!

The fething Spectres don't even have dental!!!

Spectres don't even get their own guns or clothes. At least Cerberus puts out.

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

He did nothing of the sort?

Not to me, no.

[Someone With Mass]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Arcian wrote...

TIM keeps reeling in retards with promises of freedom and dental insurances, both of which new recruits will never, ever see. That's how Cerby has survived.

Why are they a threat? Because they're like homicidal/suicidal lemmings with big guns, armor and a 2000 terabit/second brain uplink connection to the Reapers.

Hold on hold on hold on!


They've got dental?!?!?!?!

The fething Spectres don't even have dental!!!

Their dental plans puts cyanide capsules in their teeth, though.

I think I can live without that. My chances of living sort of improves, even.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You'll be wishing you threw in with Cerberus for that dental plan when you are in the processing vats about to be liquified.

Not really.

It's better to know that I die fighting than being the lackey of some delusional old fart who has way too much money and free time on his hands.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Saphra Deden wrote...
What point are you trying to make? I mean you realize what Cerberus does and what the Alliance or Council do are the same thing in so far as they force what they want to do on others via' force.

Alliance is a representative political body and the Council is an executive committee, both bound by laws and treaty which defines their role, both representative of people.
Cerberus is a bunch of powerful people illegaly forcing their view on others people. Were they not trying to force their view like a totalitarianist government (or a bunch of terrorist), they could just go found a colony on a new neutral world with their followers.

weaboo name wrote...
I don't think so.

Oh, you are, but you're too dense to realize it.

You just can't make a difference between usefulness and necessity, that's just it.

PS: Very clever use of "weaboo" to define a character from a western tabletop role playing game anyway...But that's common fact: those who can't argue usually attack the person instead.

Modifié par Kakita Tatsumaru, 24 novembre 2011 - 02:22 .

[Abraham_uk]

CrazyRah wrote...

A very interesting read and in some areas i do agree and in other i do understand where you're coming from.

Cerberus don't fear to do things that're highly questionable no doubt about it but that isn't always a bad thing. Cerberus are very interesting because they can be evil or not depending on how people see different actions they've done in the past. For me Cerberus use methods that's over the line and sometimes horrific but this is based on opinions as much else and what i might think is just too much might be okey for someone else.

I see a lot of people being mad at Cerberus for being extreme and doing ''bad'' things so to speak but i've yet to see nearly as much annoyance and hate on the STG on what they did to the Krogans together with the Turians. What they did is just quite extreme and still Cerberus get hate because of lesser things?

When i saw David there i thought and still think it is monstrous but i also agree that it was Bioware trying too hard and that there were better ways to create the feeling you describe.
Otherwise i'm very much enjoying Cerberus and finding them interesting since they challenge all the time some of my opinions and beliefs and i love it

Given that our race does to animals for research, and nourishment, Cerberus hadn't done anything that sinks any lower in terms of morality.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Ticktank wrote...
Anyhow, my issue isn't with Cerberus being evil (which I think it is). Its more to do with TIM's predictable hypocracy (sp). After what Cerberus has done and some of the things he's said, its hard to believe that the organization is still really looking out for humanity's interest, if it even was in the first place.

I don't see how, given that everytihing they done WAS in humanities iterest. Name one thing that weakened humanity.

Eugenics is supposed to be for humanity's interests.
That awful building across my house that gets crowded every Sunday morning is supposed to be there for humanity's interests.

But are they?

Yes.
That "awefull building" across the cespool you call your house is there for humanities interest.

I personally thought the scene where TIM said (let it slip?) that "Cerberus is Humanity" was a pivotal one. Because to me, he's basically admitting that Cerberus is only looking out for itself. Cerberus is not humanity. The elected government of your country is not your country.

What? You mean the statement that cen be interpreted in several different ways?

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You think this is about TIM? Sooner or later he'll be processed like everyone else. I know that after you've gone through the change you'll be enlightened like I am.

No, you'll just be dead and rotten paste, while I am *spoiler*given the choice to join essence with being greater than the Reapers to become a god and shape the cycles as I see fit to prevent things like the Reapers from happening ever again.*spoiler*

Ha.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I really don't see how tests on animals is comparable to tests on humans.

That depends whom you ask. If you consider animals inferior to humans and worth less, then maybe you don't have a problem with it.

And maybe I don't share that view. Maybe I'm of the oppinion that humans are not worth zilch, and therefore experimenting on them isn't immoral. Maybe.

Not that it is necessary to think life is worthless (or worth less) to condone such experiments.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

You think this is about TIM? Sooner or later he'll be processed like everyone else. I know that after you've gone through the change you'll be enlightened like I am.

No, you'll just be dead and rotten paste, while I am *spoiler*given the choice to join essence with being greater than the Reapers to become a god and shape the cycles as I see fit to prevent things like the Reapers from happening ever again.*spoiler*

Ha.

And if that really is in ME3, then it will be the biggest writing fail in gaming history.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...
Alliance is a representative political body and the Council is an executive committee, both bound by laws and treaty which defines their role, both representative of people.
Cerberus is a bunch of powerful people illegaly forcing their view on others people.

Legal - schmegal. Liek it makes any practical difference.

The Council can assasinate undesirables, opress media and experiment on innocents just as Cerberus.
Victims don't give a damn about legality.

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
And if that really is in ME3, then it will be the biggest writing fail in gaming history.

Learn how to erase the spoiler.

Also, you say that about everything, so there's no point in listening to you.