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[MisterJB]

Someone With Mass wrote...

And what's so bad with being a lesser race?

What so...? Do I really have to explain why it's very, very bad that there's a group of people who believe your people is worth less than theirs and that you have to acknowledge the authorithy of these "superior" people? Why it's important for every species to always look towards improvement? That is why we, humans, control Earth.

But let me give you a pratical reason you will probrably relate to. Had the Quarians not been a lesser race, they would have never lost their homeplanet. 
 

If any of the other races had felt really mistreated, they would've more than likely resigned their post.

Quitting the Citadel either means a species being confined to their already established colonies, or having to expand to the Termynus Systems. Look what happened to the Batarians and Quarians.

Someone With Mass wrote...
By the way. That little coup during the battle of the Citadel which can make the new Council a all-human one? It would've never flied if it was remotely realistic. Because I think most races would've been pretty outraged by a move like that if it had any sort of realism in it instead of them being slightly grumpy for about a year or so. A more likely scenario would've been a serious political conflict with no permanent leaders at the helm, if not war between the Council races and humanity.

There are news of the Turians building Dreadnoughts and of the Asari giving them their share of the defenses.
Seems to me they are preparing for a war.

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
Actually, after ME1 (depending on choices) it's four species on the Citadel Council. 

Four instead of one... 

Humans are still being used by the other species without receiving any assistance.

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Let's also not forget that most governments have an order of succession, just in case of such a disaster.

They were on the Destiny Ascension too.

[Sgt Stryker]

MisterJB wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...
Let's also not forget that most governments have an order of succession, just in case of such a disaster.

They were on the Destiny Ascension too.

So elect or appoint new council members from politicians on the homeworlds of each species. Hell, appoint the Secretary of Education if things are that desperate.

[Killjoy Cutter]

OK, so being on the council only counts when it's convenient for your argument. Understood.

[Fishy]

Arkitekt wrote...

As for me, in ME2 I had this vision of Cerberus as well. A dark organization that tried to do everything at its disposal to battle the most astonishing threat ever imagined

'I will and CAN do it without jeopardizing my Humanity'

'Evil' people often just take shortcut that jeopardize them has human being. Why work for a nice car? I'd just steal it.
Cerberus are just a bunch of criminal.

[Someone With Mass]

By the way. The raloi has the right plan. Instead of getting themselves killed, they're shutting down all communications and hides all technology in a hope to appear too primitive for the Reapers to harvest.

Would a major race like the asari, turians or humans have a chance like that? Hell no.

The Reapers are grinding their populations to dust and destroying everything they have.

[Someone With Mass]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

So elect or appoint new council members from politicians on the homeworlds of each species. Hell, appoint the Secretary of Education if things are that desperate.

This.

It must've started somehow, right?

[CroGamer002]

^Raloi new Protheans then?

[MisterJB]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

OK, so being on the council only counts when it's convenient for your argument. Understood.

Being on the Council means little if our Councilor, seeing our colonies dissapear, attempts to mobilize the citadel fleet to give humanity assistance but then there's a vote of 3Vs1 against him and nothing happens.

Someone With Mass wrote...

By the way. The raloi has the right plan. Instead of getting themselves killed, they're shutting down all communications and hides all technology in a hope to appear too primitive for the Reapers to harvest.

Would a major race like the asari, turians or humans have a chance like that? Hell no.

The Reapers are grinding their populations to dust and destroying everything they have.

COWARDS!
Smart, though. It still doesn't mean that humanity should strive towards being too lowly to be noticed by the Reapers.

[Someone With Mass]

Mesina2 wrote...

^Raloi new Protheans then?

If they survive, yeah. Pretty much. Then they'd be on the top.

[Sgt Stryker]

Someone With Mass wrote...

By the way. The raloi has the right plan. Instead of getting themselves killed, they're shutting down all communications and hides all technology in a hope to appear too primitive for the Reapers to harvest.

Would a major race like the asari, turians or humans have a chance like that? Hell no.

The Reapers are grinding their populations to dust and destroying everything they have.

Erm, does this qualify as an ME3 spoiler? If not, how do the raloi know about the Reapers before the events of ME3?

[DiebytheSword]

Yeah, that's from the leak.

[Someone With Mass]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

Erm, does this qualify as an ME3 spoiler? If not, how do the raloi know about the Reapers before the events of ME3?

I heard about it in another thread.

[Someone With Mass]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Yeah, that's from the leak.

It's not like anyone thought that they would be major contributors, anyway.

Those birds were introduced to the community about a year before the initial attack.

[111987]

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]111987 wrote...
I said in a universe where the Council was killed and humanity runs the show.
[/quote]
Oh, you are right. I apologize.
Still, certainly not enough. For example, the turians are not helping with patrolling Citadel space and there are news of humans being attacked by former Council races.[/quote]

Those attacks will only increase if humanity tries to increase its dominance. One race cannot dominate the others; the galaxy is simply too big. The best humanity could hope for would be to join the Council...which they did. To seek even more power would be folly; even the Turians understand this. In their Codex entry they know that trying to subvert the other races would cause them to lose far more than they would gain.


[quote]
In "Mass Effect: Revelations", the Council's response to the Alliance's illegal AI research was very meek, when they very well could have pulled a Quarian on them.
[/quote]
Humans are not quarians. Our standing in the galactic community was very strong, even at the time, and our race had not been almost exterminated in a war where no other council race participated (nice of them, yes?)
The Council's response was weak because humans had a very competent ambassador who did not abide by their terms, otherwise the consequences would have been terrible (complete alien oversight, for one), and because we were too strong for them to start a war with just because of one Alliance station researching AI.[/quote]

Fair points, for sure. Well another case where the Council was friendly to the lesser races was during the First Contact War, where the Turians were forced to pay steep reparations despite not being any more responsible for the war than the humans. This shows the Council races are willing to take a hit for the greater good.

Also, it's not like the embassies don't have any influence on galactic politics.

[CerberusWarrior]

well the council was always anti human and so are the Turians

[Killjoy Cutter]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Raloi new Protheans then?

If they survive, yeah. Pretty much. Then they'd be on the top.

Imagine if a species had managed that at some point, and then had 50000 years to prepare for the next Reaping?

[111987]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

well the council was always anti human and so are the Turians

Which is why the Council allowed Humans to join both the Spectres and the Council in less than 30 years? Despite other races not getting either of those honors after several centuries?

[111987]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

^Raloi new Protheans then?

If they survive, yeah. Pretty much. Then they'd be on the top.

Imagine if a species had managed that at some point, and then had 50000 years to prepare for the next Reaping?

Not only would they be more advanced than pretty much any other race (the current Council races are only about 2000 years old), they would also have definite knowledge of the Reapers. That could be enough to defeat the Reapers when they come.

[General User]

The turians were completely, totally, and solely responsible for starting the First Contact War.

The Council intervened in humanity's favor because they recognized humanity's potential as both a counter to the batarians (who the Council had for years been unable and/or unwilling to control) and as a military counter-balance to the turians themselves who were growing dangerously out of control (ie launching unprovoked wars of conquest against a new species they encountered).

[BioFan (Official)]

i think it would just be fun to play the character.

[Someone With Mass]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Imagine if a species had managed that at some point, and then had 50000 years to prepare for the next Reaping?

It almost happened once.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You have a very narrow definition of what "dominance" means. It doesn't have to mean humanity grinding every species beneath its heel. All it has to mean is humanity being the strongest, the wealthiest, the most influential.

Dominance by definition means power and influence over others and I doubt anyone would bow down/give up that power willingly.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

You have a very narrow definition of what "dominance" means. It doesn't have to mean humanity grinding every species beneath its heel. All it has to mean is humanity being the strongest, the wealthiest, the most influential.

Dominance by definition means power and influence over others and I doubt anyone would bow down/give up that power willingly.

No one says they have to.

[111987]

General User wrote...

The turians were completely, totally, and solely responsible for starting the First Contact War.

The Council intervened in humanity's favor because they recognized humanity's potential as both a counter to the batarians (who the Council had for years been unable and/or unwilling to control) and as a military counter-balance to the turians themselves who were growing dangerously out of control (ie launching unprovoked wars of conquest against a new species they encountered).

No. Humanity was recklessly activating every Mass Relay in sight. While they did not know, such an action is illegal as it can lead to Rachni-like incidents. The Turians were simply upholding the law and trying to prevent a potentially catastrophic situation from emerging.