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[111987]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

111987 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

111987 wrote...

And if a war breaks out, there would simply be no way humanity would emerge victorious.

Probably true, but nobody else would emerge victorious either. Nobody will commit to such a destructive war, especially one that THEY have to start.

Remember: humanity has not attacked or invaded anybody.

Yes, that is true. But Cerberus is definitley the type of organization to push humanity down that road. Humanity doesn't have to necesarrily attack the other races to have a war begin. If the consolidation of power begins to affect the other races too adversely, which is definitely a possibility, humanity will be in trouble.

And the Krogan Rebellions and Rachni Wars show that while the Council races will seek peaceful alternatives first, if they are forced to fight to the death, they will.

Eh, what? All those show are their willingness to sacrifice others for their own cause, and how quickly they are to stab those others in the back.

Now you're just making stuff up and takings things way out of context. The Asari and Salarians battled the Rachni for nearly 100 years. The Asari, Turians, and Salarians all battled the Krogan for decades.

I have no idea where this is coming from. Please explain what you are talking about.

[Jog0907]

DiebytheSword wrote...

Humanity expanded into Turian territory, and were attacked for it. Garden worlds are at a premium. Additionally the Batarian Hegemony has never officially declared war on, or attacked Humanity. Batarian pirates did however attack more than once. The actions of a few are not the entire species or even its government. Ceberus is not humanity by that same token, and its actions cannot be used against the Systems Alliance.

I dont think humans ever expanded into turian territory, the attack on shanxi was because of activation of dormant mass relays, that section of space is never said to be from the hierarchy or be a space that would be soon colonized by them. Its even said that turian ships were quite far away from hierarchy space since they had problems with supplies, they were simply on patrol duty not really in search of colonies.

[Someone With Mass]

MisterJB wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
The batarians attacked because they think the humans stole their planets.

Humans never founded a colony on a world that was already being settled and the Verge was never officially Batarian territory.

Many things aren't official, yet they happen.

[MisterJB]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Many things aren't official, yet they happen.

Shouldn't you be against the batarians on this one? They're the ones who didn't even try to coexist peacefully with their new human neighbours.

[Jog0907]

Someone With Mass wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
The batarians attacked because they think the humans stole their planets.

Humans never founded a colony on a world that was already being settled and the Verge was never officially Batarian territory.

Many things aren't official, yet they happen.

Well I guess that council policy is that even if batarians claimed those territories they never developed them on any decent enough way to justify their claims so when humans actually invested in them they were willing to give them to the species that would truly turn them into a productive section of citadel space instead of giving it to the species that thinks that just saying its mine, I saw it first entitles them to anything if they dont invest in such claims.

Modifié par Jog0907, 30 novembre 2011 - 01:25 .

[General User]

The batarians had been preying on the various Council races for years prior to the First Contact War, and (for whatever reason) the turians had proved unable or unwilling to do anything about it.

So when humanity comes on the scene, by giving the "oh-so-mighty" turians a bloody nose no less, the Council saw a way to get rid of their batarian problem: give the humans the rights to colonize batarian areas of interest, but don't back them up (they should be able to handle it...).

Or, as Ashley might say, sic us on the bear and run.

Modifié par General User, 30 novembre 2011 - 01:34 .

[capn233]

"You don't fight a junkyard dog with ASPCA rules. What you do is you take the leash off your bigger, meaner dog."

[ubermensch007]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

@111987: I so know what you mean... The Illusive Man - Mission Summary
Report that makes me the most indignant; is the one that comes after finishing Tali Zorah vas Normandy's Loyalty Mission.

What he says there about how the Migrant Fleet needs to go all out against the Reaper Fleet.Really just made me say,"You son of a ****! If its a bad idea for the quarians to go to war against the geth.Then how in the sam hill, is it a good idea for them to take on the effin Reapers in space combat!?"

Whaaaaaaaat? You think that is racist? All his report says is that we are likely to need quarian forces against the Reapers and that political instability will hinder their ability to contribute. That's just an appraisal of the situation. There is nothing racist about that.

You are doing a disservice to the concept of racism by applying it so liberally (and foolishly I will add).

Seriously, get your head examined.

I can understand where you are coming from here "Mira", perhaps I should have eloborated a bit more.When I read the Illusive Man's report, it struck me as him seeing the quarians battling the Reapers as "killing two birds with one stone.You can't deny that the Migrant Fleet could potentionally be a great threat down the line to human interest.Indeed, the idea for an awesome 'What if?' Mass Effect Graphic Novel came to me recently.It occured to me in the "Let the Council die" during the Battle of the Citadel ending:

What if the Migrant Fleet arrived, not long after the Battle of the Citadel and took out the Alliance Fifth Fleet and laid claim to the Citadel?!  There would have been some loses for sure.But there is no way that the Fifth Fleet would have been able to outfight them.While not all of the 50,000 starships that make up the flotilla are military grade.Far more than enough are, to have completely annhilated any resistence!

Another possibilty is that the Migrant fleet could have come to the aid of the Citadel Fleet, instead of having the humans save the Council.But for some reason BioWare decided to really underuse the quarians in ME1.But perhaps I'm getting a bit off topic for this thread.As to others who had something to say about my assertion regarding Jack Harper's feelings towards other races.I think he defenitly has a "Manifesyt Destiny" vibe concerning what he perceives to be humanities role in galactic affairs.And historically, those who subscribe to such thought patterns.Don't tend to treat the natives all that well.

How he could ever think that humans should be dominate, after the success of the Suicide Mission only being possible b/c  the best and brightest of all races worked together. Is just sad... The fact that TIM talks to Shepard about how the Collector Base could ensure human dominance in the galaxy.Is as racist as you can get.  What the hell makes a human intrinsically more adept at governing than anyone else? And shouldn't the galaxy be governed by those who prove themselves to be best suited for such office.Regardless of their planet of orgin or genetic code?

[Dean_the_Young]

Here I thought I'd been impressed on how much people could project on so little. Especially when applying cultural-specific viewpoints never actually mentioned or raised in the game.


And while I'm not usually big on grammar, but 'Manifesyt Destiny' sounds like something offered at Azure. Giggle.

[ubermensch007]

@Dean_the_Young:

Ah yes, "proof-reading".Oh how I love thee.Let me count the ways...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 01 décembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[Dean_the_Young]

ubermensch007 wrote...

@Dean_the_Young:

Ah yes, "proof-reading." Oh, how I love thee. Let me count the ways...

Three. Four if you count the lack of 'We have dismissed this claim.'