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[NGC1300]

So... I assume we all know that Skyrim has been out for a while and the game seems to be doing well with the sale. It is not until recently that I know the game has also featured s/s romance. I'm kind of a fan of elder scroll(not a hardcore one) but when I first knew this I was like.. wow... so a big, long-term-reputationed franchise like TES now also embraces this element into the game. However, I didn't see a lot of debates about it like I do when it comes to CHud's annoucing s/s romance for ME3. This is where it gets funny (at least for me). I did some research about Skyrim and then found out some differences between that and ME3. I saw a lot of poeple 'saying' they'll boycott ME3 for having s/s romance but on the other hand.. those same people do say Skyrim is the *insert crazy fanboys tonation* 'BEST GAME EVER' and they seem to be doing well with the game without complaints. There actually are some debates for s/s in Skyrim from time to time but it's just a mild controversy. So this is something I don't really understand.. is it becuase ME fanbase has a lot of these narrow-minded people or Skyrim is too badass it shuts their mouths up? And why some people do feel relieved with one game while offended with another though they contain similar element? bias? Or should I not ask for rationalization from these people since the first place? It intrigues me.

BTW, I do acknowldge the reason that people say s/s romance will not fit ME3 if those former 'straight' characters suddenly turn gays because such approach will ruin the characters' 'pre-constructed' impressions held by players. I'll tell you what.... that's why there is a term 'coming out'. And besides that, the game's story revolves around each player's gameplay anyway so the way a player perceives each character is quite unique otherwise why would they give you choices in the first place if all characters are all gonna end up being the same?

Well, whatever, I'm not trying to create another debate about s/s romance anyway, I'm just pointing out the differences I see between Skyrim and ME3. But that could be only me. Any thoughts on the issue?

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Modifié par NGC1300, 22 novembre 2011 - 07:15 .

[Bekkael]

The relationships are so shallow in Skyrim in comparison to DA or ME games, that I think it's just not as noticeable for people who object to s/s. That's what I think anyway.

I love the idea of MORE choices in a game. It's nice for everyone to get what they want with their character.

[NGC1300]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If you want to refer to what Skyrim offers as "romance", go right ahead, but I certainly found it to be nothing of the sort. It's just "Hey, want to get married?" "Sure, why not?" and then you have someone to cook for you. That's about it.

I understand your point and that's one of the reasons I created this thread. The thing is I'm trying to point out the symbol that the content in both games conveys. Shallow or deep, at the end, it ends up being your choices. So why do some people make such a great deal?

Modifié par NGC1300, 22 novembre 2011 - 07:33 .

[DoNotIngest]

There is no unique character dialogue, and, indeed, hardly any dialogue noting that you're married in Skyrim.


Don't worry your pretty little head, there'll be S/S in ME3, and Ash/Kaidan are prime candidates. And that's great. Just get your nonsensical fanboy petitioning away from me. Before I start...


Uh-oh... You've done it...



Similarites between Skyrim and ME3? HAH! Howzabout Skyrim and New Vegas?


NV: Killing random Legion foot soldiers wandering about with swords and legion armour.
Skyrim: Killing random Legion foot soldiers wandering about with swords and legion armour.

NV: Everyone hella ugly tbh i gon need hella bluntz 2 get dese ugly ppl outta my hed tbh tho that hella rude tbh but idc
Skyrim: ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING!

NV: Wandering merchants slaughtered by radscorps, deathclaws, bears, etc.
Skyrim: Wandering hunters (merchants) slaughtered by wolves, sabre tooths, bears, etc.

NV: Rocks look black, pointy and wierd at night. And in daytime, really.
Skyrim: Hey, this seems familiar... And still disturbing...

NV: Random monster fightclub, gogogo!
Skyrim: Hey look, a pack of bandits fighting with wolves fighting with mages fighting with a giant and a dragon!

NV: Annoyingly repetitive followers (Unless you mod in ME characters. Awesomesauce).
Skyrim: "I am SWOOOORN to carry you burdens." *SIGH* *eats sweetroll*

NV: You can cook stuff but there's not really any point at all and yeah.
Skyrim: Let's make this food that heals less and weighs more than the ingredients! And is worth less!

NV: Ohai. I be folower. We mancin' apparently. do dere isnt much to say we r tbh. i dont sex u up but i almos do in da prulogue. but i drink n bang sum dude nsted. umad?
Skyrim: Generic monotone: Hello Dragonborn. I am your spouse. Here is some soup.

NV: Join stupid, unappealing faction #1 or stupid, unappealing faction #2!
Skyrim: "We're dominationist control freaks here to put down the people of our vassal state!" "We're rebels fighting for freedom! Oh, but f*ck anyone who's not Nord, let's beat them and shout at them!"

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 22 novembre 2011 - 07:52 .

[FoxHound109]

Pretty much what Bekkael said: character interaction in Skyrim (and any Elder Scrolls game) is pretty superficial at best. The Elder Scrolls series is not something you play for the riveting character interaction or story telling. Skyrim is absolutely amazing, but it's a different kind of game than Mass Effect 3 will be.

Mass Effect as a whole puts a lot of stock on character interaction, dialogue, and personal story telling. That's why it gets debated here so much more than in the TES community.

[DoNotIngest]

^Exactly. Skyrim players hear they can "marry" another dude/chick, and say "Yeah, whatevs, not my thing" or "Sweet."


Mass Effect happens to have unique characters given hundreds of lines of dialogue (each) and development that people have vested just a tad bit more caring in than they have for Anonymous NPC Spouse #42. Though, it'll never get as bad as Fable. Gawd.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 22 novembre 2011 - 07:54 .

[FoxHound109]

DoNotIngest wrote...

^Exactly. Skyrim players hear they can "marry" another dude/chick, and say "Yeah, whatevs, not my thing" or "Sweet."


Mass Effect happens to have unique characters given hundreds of lines of dialogue (each) and development that people have vested just a tad bit more caring in than they have for Anonymous NPC Spouse #42. Though, it'll never get as bad as Fable. Gawd.

Oh God, why did you have to bring Fable into this debate?

UNCLEAN, UNCLEAN, UNCLEAN!

[Bekkael]

DoNotIngest wrote...
 Though, it'll never get as bad as Fable. Gawd.

What, you don't want a spouse that gives you a VD every time you knock boots? Outrageous!

[NGC1300]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Pretty much what Bekkael said: character interaction in Skyrim (and any Elder Scrolls game) is pretty superficial at best. The Elder Scrolls series is not something you play for the riveting character interaction or story telling. Skyrim is absolutely amazing, but it's a different kind of game than Mass Effect 3 will be.

Mass Effect as a whole puts a lot of stock on character interaction, dialogue, and personal story telling. That's why it gets debated here so much more than in the TES community.

This should pretty much be the answer I am looking for. I always thought it would be the same whether there is or there isn't much interaction between the players and the characters. Cuz' I thought in the end, it's either be yes s/s or no s/s no matter how long it takes to build up the relationship and players will experience different paths of ramance and other character's personality/storytelling anyway had their character's sexual orientation been different unless those other characters are designed to be more complex and start to ... Idk how to say.... mix their gay/straight feelings into the dialogue which, perhaps, could happen in ME3. Because so far... all I see is Your Shep is male > Romance options for female chars activated, romance options for male chars deactivated. It's not like you can flirt with, let's say, Jacob and then got rejected, the option of 'looking for luck' isn't even there,at least that's how I see romancing in ME works -- just a straight-forward male/female relationship and everyone acknowledges your gender on the basis of your selected option.

But as I said, perhaps, that character's complexity will be implemented in ME3 and maybe that's what some people are worried about.

Interesting, thx.

Modifié par NGC1300, 22 novembre 2011 - 08:51 .

[CroGamer002]

jreezy wrote...

Turning into a "Mass Effect is better than Skyrim because blah" thread now.

Never in my life I though that would happen, especially on BSN.

[HiroVoid]

Skyrim and Mass Effect are completely different types of RPGs. Personally, I feel like I can RP more with 'Elder Scrolls' while having more freedom while Bioware games tend to have better interactions and story.

[Dariustwinblade]

Skyrim is played mainly for gameplay.
ME 3 will be played mainly for storyline.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If you want to refer to what Skyrim offers as "romance", go right ahead, but I certainly found it to be nothing of the sort. It's just "Hey, want to get married?" "Sure, why not?" and then you have someone to cook for you. That's about it.

So Mass Effect's "romances" are the pinnacle of depth and storytelling?

[HiroVoid]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If you want to refer to what Skyrim offers as "romance", go right ahead, but I certainly found it to be nothing of the sort. It's just "Hey, want to get married?" "Sure, why not?" and then you have someone to cook for you. That's about it.

So Mass Effect's "romances" are the pinnacle of depth and storytelling?

Compared to what I've heard with Skyrim and seen with Fable, yes.

[FoxHound109]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If you want to refer to what Skyrim offers as "romance", go right ahead, but I certainly found it to be nothing of the sort. It's just "Hey, want to get married?" "Sure, why not?" and then you have someone to cook for you. That's about it.

So Mass Effect's "romances" are the pinnacle of depth and storytelling?

Depends on which game and what you're comparing the games to. The romances in Mass Effect are definitely better than the ones in the sequel. But by comparison, yeah, they're pretty amazing. Try playing Skyrim and marrying someone; it's literally talking to them, saying yes, doing a five minute "ceremony" and then you never have to see or speak to your lover again. There's no interaction. Romance in Skyrim is the game equivalent of: "Nice shoes, let's f*ck!" 

The less said about Fable, the better...

[ODST 3]

Skyrim offers romance opportunities? Are they with legitimate characters or just mindless drones like in the Fable games? Oblivion had about three distinct characters among it's 1,000 NPCs and I don't expect Skyrim to do much better. I'll still probably get it, just cause the world is awesome.

[MegaBadExample]

Mindless drones. I talked to some woman once in Skyrim and married her. With one line! I later caught her brushing the floor in some general store and killed her. ME romances carry over games man! I play ME for the story. Though I'm really excited about the combat this time around. I play Skyrim for the HUGE open world. Romance in Skyrim? I wouldn't count it as such when comparing it to ME.