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[Killjoy Cutter]

The Krogan are hardly capable of wiping out all other sentient life in the galaxy.

[Bad King]

We should cure them to fight the reapers then just stab them in the back and release a modified version on them after the conflict ends lol.

[sponge56]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The Krogan are hardly capable of wiping out all other sentient life in the galaxy.

They wiped out the Rcahni

[Dave of Canada]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The Krogan are hardly capable of wiping out all other sentient life in the galaxy.

Considering they're capable of breeding extremely quickly and are powerful soldiers and threatened the entire galaxy before the genophage, I disagree.

[Killjoy Cutter]

OK, fine, whatever. They're even more of a threat than the reapers. [/sarcasm]

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

How quickly do Krogan mature? They have to grow up. But not having to fight over fertile females might give the existing Krogan males the incentive to unite and fight the reaper husks that will be overwhelming worlds.

I won't give the Krogan the cure. Let the Salarians do it like before. Then once it's done, modify it again to reduce the birth rate, but keep it sufficient to repopulate their own world, although 3.2 billion is IMO sufficient. I do not want to see the Krogan taking over the galaxy in a sea of blood after the Reaper war.

Interesting how the Krogan population explosion is mimicking the human population explosion on earth.

[DiebytheSword]

111987 wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

111987 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Another Krogan rebellion isn't on the same page of bad as the Reapers succeeding. It's not even in the same book.

But does curing the Krogan give us a better chance of defeating the Reapers?

If it gets them to go all-in for the war, it gives us some of the nastiest troops the galaxy has ever seen. 

Good point. And I'm guessing it will work like that in-game. But realistically, you'd think the Krogan would be all-in and cooperative regardless, cause you know, everyone's dead otherwise.

Thats the problem with Diplomacy though, people will work against their own interest for the sake of old grudges.  For the Krogan, going extinct in a battle of epic proportions might not be the worst thing that can happen so long as it was a good fight.

Very true...I guess we have to remember to see it from the perspective of a Krogan and not a Human.

For the record, I don't think that its a uniquely human view to seek a cooperative end of the Reapers.  There are individual Krogan who want to cooperate, otherwise you couldn't have Wrex the way he is.  You are looking at it from a peaceful perspective; diplomacy to forge a coalition force to wipe out the Reapers, a view I share.  However, many characters, and even some speicies governments in the series, have selfish, shortsighted goals.

Or worse, goals that exceed their grasps or any semblance of compassion for sapient life.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 22 novembre 2011 - 08:00 .

[Ieldra]

sponge56 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
If it gets the Krogan fully dedicated to the fight against the Reapers, then it has to be done. Once the end of the world is averted, then we can deal with things like changes to Krogan society.

But is an end to the world via another Krogan rebellion any better than an end to the world by Reapers?

No, but an end of the world by Reapers is much more likely. The galaxy dealt with the krogan horde before, it always lost against the Reapers before. I say if that's what it takes to get the krogan on board, it should be done.

[LadyJaneGrey]

sponge56 wrote...

Is the curing of the Genophage an ideal solution?

Most krogan would think so.

The rest of the races probably wouldn't be too thrilled.

[Colintastic]

The Salarians owe the Krogans a "duty of care"... are you a law student or a lawyer?

More on point, I will avoid curing the genophage if I can. It's strange how the game seems to inconsistently understand the pros/cons in doing so. While a lot of the comments involving decisions on the genophage are not linked to player reputation, some were. The game lays out perfectly good benevolent reasons to do either.

Curing it will create future problems with population growth and consumption of resources. The race as a whole has advanced tremendously culturally by limiting population growth.

The expendable soldiers argument isn't necessarily a strong one because we don't exactly know how long it takes for a Krogan to mature naturally. Tank bred, it appears 7 days is normal. The codex simply says they mature "rapidly." In comparison to humans, that just means "faster than 15 years." Unless the galactic war ("Steve" as it has been so named by moderators) begins at a stand still (and it won't) organics don't have 15 years to bring their forces to action. Even from the ME3 trailer, you can tell that human combat viability was pretty much eradicated in the first few moments of the war. I think it's a lot like playing Starcraft when that one Terran **** flies his buildings away and even though he's clearly lost his opponent has to take the time to seek the buildings out and wipe him out. The hope of course is that the proverbial "terran player" here has allies who can handle some of the combat until his lands his buildings someplace else and rebuilds combat viability. This analogy might have gotten a bit off track here, but the point is the time it takes to raise a Krogan army may well be far too long for it to matter, thus curing the genophage provides no present benefit and only creates a future problem.

[Ryzaki]

No I wouldn't cure the genophage. Wrex's power is stable because of it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

There's a lot of assumption that the genophage cure restores the Krogan to their full pre-contact fertility, and/or affects all Krogan immediately.

[BatmanPWNS]

Saphra Deden wrote...

jreezy wrote...

I hope Shepard has the option of mentioning that but I doubt he will. BioWare doesn't seem to go that in depth with dialogue.

Remember how early teasers talked about a "traitor" on the Sur'Kesh mission? I think Wrex should have been the traitor (maybe he is... durr durr, but I doubt it). I mean he is the one who actually has a reason to not want the genophage cured. It would also be a good place to throw in the "You should have killed me when you had the chance." It would be a nice... very sad twist. Circumstances again pitting Shepard and Wrex against each other.

You can't always choose who your enemies are.

But this is BSN, where people think they can control everything and play Space Jesus.

[sarcasm]

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

There's a lot of assumption that the genophage cure restores the Krogan to their full pre-contact fertility, and/or affects all Krogan immediately.

Curing the genophage would still undermine Wrex's work. Females would actually lose a lot of their value because it would become much easier for them to produce children. So every clan can just take its females back and start breeding without having any incentive to cooperate with Wrex.

Again, assuming it's quick and universal. 

For example:  if it's a matter of starting out with just one cured female, it will take many, many generations for the cure to spread. 

[Someone With Mass]

Given enough time, any race can obtain the power to destroy all life in the galaxy.

As for the krogans, just teach them to take it easy with the baby factories. It's the rest of the galaxy's fault if they're sitting idly by and just drools while the krogans are increasing their numbers to the point where they're a threat.

Or offer them uninhabited worlds they can live on. Decrease their will when it comes to expansions by offering them something better.

[Agamo45]

If the krogan are allowed to return to their previous birth-rates, the only logical outcome is war. Overpopulation, along with their warlike nature will compel them to expand, leading to another conflict. And with the genophage cured, the only way to defeat the krogan will be by exterminating them completely. No sane person can advocate for curing the genophage.

[eye basher]

People say cure the genophage and the Krogan will help you fight the reapers the thing is fight or not the Reapers will kill you anyway might as well fight them at least there's a chance in hell of wining.