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[DiebytheSword]

As an aside, do we know how well Maelon's cure works? Is it full reversal, or something much less?

[Someone With Mass]

DiebytheSword wrote...

As an aside, do we know how well Maelon's cure works? Is it full reversal, or something much less?

I think Mordin says in the beta leak that it had some pretty bad effects for some (death is one of them) and while it's working, it usually kills the subject.

Don't know if it's a incomplete version of the cure or not, though. 

Sounds bad enough to give Mordin some trouble.

[DiebytheSword]

Someone With Mass wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...

As an aside, do we know how well Maelon's cure works? Is it full reversal, or something much less?

I think Mordin says in the beta leak that it had some pretty bad effects for some (death is one of them) and while it's working, it usually kills the subject.

Don't know if it's a incomplete version of the cure or not, though. 

Sounds bad enough to give Mordin some trouble.

Spoilers:


I do remember that, and I do remember that keeping the data from Maelon handy makes things easier on Mordin, but I also remember seeing something about a boost from 1% to 10% and not a full cure.  Perhaps there are different versions of the cure based on your actions.

[111987]

Swampthing500 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

111987 wrote...

Care to explain what I am missing? The parallels between what?

Thinking you can pacify the Krogan by giving them more worlds.

Well, they'll definitley need more worlds than Tuchanka. So give them a set limit of planets, and have it enforced. Any sign of untoward expansion should be dealt with immediately; no more appeasement. Say you give the Krogan 7 worlds to colonize. No more planets for them unless they discover them themselves. If they try to take a planet held by another planet, economic/military action will be taken against them right then and there.

The Krogan were just fine with Tuchanka. The harsh environment kept their numbers low. It was when they were introduced to calmer worlds that the problems began.

The Council also did not appease the Krogan. Once they started settling outside their worlds onto occupied planets they were warned to leave. When that did not happen war erupted.

You just made that up. Limited to Tuchanka, the Krogan unleashed nuclear winter on one another. They were not fine with just Tuchanka. I won't use speculation as an argument, but overpopulation could easily have been a factor leading to war.

The Council did appease the Krogan. The Krogan began taking olanets. They kept telling the Council they just needed one more, and the Council kept relenting. According to the Codex, this continued for centuries. This is definitley a case of appeasement.

[Swampthing500]

111987 wrote...

Swampthing500 wrote...

111987 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

111987 wrote...

Care to explain what I am missing? The parallels between what?

Thinking you can pacify the Krogan by giving them more worlds.

Well, they'll definitley need more worlds than Tuchanka. So give them a set limit of planets, and have it enforced. Any sign of untoward expansion should be dealt with immediately; no more appeasement. Say you give the Krogan 7 worlds to colonize. No more planets for them unless they discover them themselves. If they try to take a planet held by another planet, economic/military action will be taken against them right then and there.

The Krogan were just fine with Tuchanka. The harsh environment kept their numbers low. It was when they were introduced to calmer worlds that the problems began.

The Council also did not appease the Krogan. Once they started settling outside their worlds onto occupied planets they were warned to leave. When that did not happen war erupted.

You just made that up. Limited to Tuchanka, the Krogan unleashed nuclear winter on one another. They were not fine with just Tuchanka. I won't use speculation as an argument, but overpopulation could easily have been a factor leading to war.

The Council did appease the Krogan. The Krogan began taking olanets. They kept telling the Council they just needed one more, and the Council kept relenting. According to the Codex, this continued for centuries. This is definitley a case of appeasement.

I meant the Krogan were fine because they were not a problem for anyone else. They were fine confined to one planet, nobody else was hurt. They were happily on the way to a justified self-extinction.

The Krogan rebellions lasted a century, but there is no details on how long the Krogan expanded for as far as I know.

[Gabey5]

we need fodder for the war

we will deal with the krogan later if we must

[111987]

Swampthing500 wrote...

I meant the Krogan were fine because they were not a problem for anyone else. They were fine confined to one planet, nobody else was hurt. They were happily on the way to a justified self-extinction.

The Krogan rebellions lasted a century, but there is no details on how long the Krogan expanded for as far as I know.

If you are arguing that they shouldn't have been uplifted in the first place, well that is a different argument altogether. It's irrelevant now though.

It doesn't matter how long it took. The fact is, the Council adopted a policy of appeasement with the Krogans because of their gratitude. This is exactly the wrong way to deal with Krogan. Appeasement isn't an inherently stupid policy, but in this case, it was.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

sponge56 wrote...
As to you talking about the war against the Turians and Humans I think you might be confused, humanity joined the Council around 800 years after the Krogan Rebellions had finished.  It was the Salarians, Turians and Asari who fought the Krogan during the Rebellions

I was not refering to the Krogan Rebellions, but to what would most probably happens if the Genophage would not have been used (said by Mordin during his loyalty mission during the examination of the female Krogan).

[XEternalXDreamsX]

If the Krogan were never uplifted, they would have killed themselves off...but..
Krogan Rebellions show what they are capable of doing in a bad light and good light. They are extremely capable of fighting for the Council races and themselves from the Reaper threat. Unless they are indoctrinated ('Reaper mind control'), they could very well be on the front lines. If they survive the threat with the genephage cured, they will have to change their hostile outlook.. Otherwise, they will be 'silent' for hundreds/thousands of years.. then once they mounted their forces..you get where I'm going? Other aliens and humans will be wiped out completely. Say the Krogan hostile outlook may never change, that's like taking all the hostile animals from the zoo and releasing them so they can return to normal numbers instead of contained numbers.. you will get land taken away from humans or they will be killed off ..or contained to continents that we don't want. Hmm, but if we could learn to live along side those creatures for thousands of years while domesticating them (like cats and dogs), they will depend on us for food and help but their hostility will slow fade in the long run. It seems the same way with Krogan, letting them have their own planets is a disaster instead of multi-race planets where their outlook could change over the course of their lifetimes by receiving help and stuff from other races.

Edit - You know we won't do that so other animals can flourish so I doubt they would in the Mass Effect universe... they are too scared to try. It's up to us! :innocent:

Modifié par XEternalXDreamsX, 27 novembre 2011 - 02:51 .

[CerberusWarrior]

I will simply say this in ME 3 if there is no cure for the genophage for the Krogans and I will let the Reapers burn and destroy the Salarains and turians homeworlds

[Harmless Citizen]

@EternalDreams - I highly doubt the krogan would have killed themselves off if left to their own devices. Were it that easy, they never would have evolved to the point they had. The high birthrate, redundant organ systems, and nigh immortality balanced their kill rate. Mordin seems to believe that they would eventually would have experienced a cultural revolution, hence why uplifting them was such a massive ****up.

[LilyasAvalon]

Genophage should've never happened in the first place, the Salarians gave machine guns and warships to children and then wondered why they rebelled, they should deal with their own damn consequences and let natural selection just do it's thing.

[Harmless Citizen]

Not really an option if that involves the destruction of galactic civilisation.

[LilyasAvalon]

Sure it is, just shows the rest of the races didn't have it in em' to pull through.

[Harmless Citizen]

...Yeah, don't buy that. If we're going by that logic, the galaxy should just hold its collective anus open and let itself get reaped.

[Someone With Mass]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Sure it is, just shows the rest of the races didn't have it in em' to pull through.

I'm pretty sure they didn't deploy the genophage virus because it was fun.

Anyway, I'm willing to give the krogans a second chance. If they fail that, well, then they deserve what's coming to them.

Utter destruction, that is.

[Chuvvy]

You don't really have enough time for curing the genophage to matter against the reapers.

[Ticktank]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Genophage should've never happened in the first place, the Salarians gave machine guns and warships to children and then wondered why they rebelled, they should deal with their own damn consequences and let natural selection just do it's thing.

Maybe you should check the galaxy map now and then. Human space is disturbingly close to Tuchanka. If the genophage-free Krogan went crazy again we'd probably be the first to feel the effect. And I trust Mordin's 'simulations'.

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