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[JonathanShepard]

Because I for one, believe it would be interesting for the Player Character to try to seduce either Morrigan and/or Leliana after the Warden had had a relationship with either one of them both sexual and romantic. 

Modifié par JonathanShepard, 22 novembre 2011 - 04:38 .

[LobselVith8]

JonathanShepard wrote...

Because I for one, believe it would be interesting for the Player Character to try to seduce either Morrigan and/or Leliana after the Warden had had a relationship with either one of them both sexual and romantic. 

If The Warden had a child with Morrigan, successfully romanced her during the Fifth Blight, and left Ferelden with her into the Eluvian of the Dragonbone Wastes, I don't see it happening.

Leliana, on the other hand, apparently left The Warden to work for Divine Justina V, so I suppose it's possible.

[FlyinElk212]

I see nothing wrong with having it as an available option, should any of the LI's from DA:O return for DA3.

Personally, I'm all about TRUE LOVE CONQUERING ALL!!! and having love interests attached to the hip, never straying to anyone else, but since avoiding this scenario's a choice, I see no reason as to why not.

[JonathanShepard]

LobselVith8 wrote...
If The Warden had a child with Morrigan, successfully romanced her during the Fifth Blight, and left Ferelden with her into the Eluvian of the Dragonbone Wastes, I don't see it happening.

Well, if the relationship that Morrigan had with the Grey Warden ended with the Warden refusing to help her conceive a demon baby and then if the Warden stabbed Morrigan in stomach for good measure, it should be relatively easy for the new protagonist to seduce her. 

But of course that's the best case scenario that you're creating for yourself if you import the DA:O data into DA2 and then import the DA2 data into DA3. 

Modifié par JonathanShepard, 22 novembre 2011 - 06:11 .

[tmp7704]

Newsflash: with the single exception of Alistair all companions you could romance in DAO were "sloppy seconds" already. And unless he/she happened to be a virgin, so was your PC.

[thats1evildude]

That's not really the definition of 'sloppy seconds' as I understand it, but whatever.

If Leliana or Morrigan were part of the cast for DA3, I would prefer it if they were only available as a love interest if they didn't already have a relationship with the Warden. Otherwise, they shut down any attempts at seduction.

[JonathanShepard]

tmp7704 wrote...

Newsflash: with the single exception of Alistair all companions you could romance in DAO were "sloppy seconds" already. And unless he/she happened to be a virgin, so was your PC.

Well I guess they were, but it's kind of more interesting going after the Warden's sloppy seconds considering that you, the player, were the Warden at one point before you were given a new protagonist to play with. And I know Isabella used to be one of the Grey Warden's sloppy seconds but she was kind of a side-character of no real importance until Bioware decided to make her important for the sequel. 

[JonathanShepard]

thats1evildude wrote...

That's not really the definition of 'sloppy seconds' as I understand it, but whatever.

If Leliana or Morrigan were part of the cast for DA3, I would prefer it if they were only available as a love interest if they didn't already have a relationship with the Warden. Otherwise, they shut down any attempts at seduction.

But like I said earlier what if their relationship ended badly just because you, the player, felt like making the Warden act like a jerk. Let's look at these scenarios; what if the Warden successfully romanced Leliana and then he said, "I think we should break up," he precedes to give her that "It's not you, it's me speech," and when that doesn't work he flips it around and says "It's not me, it's you." 

And what if when you were told by Morrigan herself to break up with her, you then preceded to tell her, "I don't love you." Now, wouldn't all this make it easier for you to romance either Morrigan or Leliana as the DA3 protagonist?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

JonathanShepard wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Newsflash: with the single exception of Alistair all companions you could romance in DAO were "sloppy seconds" already. And unless he/she happened to be a virgin, so was your PC.

Well I guess they were, but it's kind of more interesting going after the Warden's sloppy seconds considering that you, the player, were the Warden at one point before you were given a new protagonist to play with. And I know Isabella used to be one of the Grey Warden's sloppy seconds but she was kind of a side-character of no real importance until Bioware decided to make her important for the sequel. 

And how do you propose this new protagonist to react given the condition that the player behind this new protagonist already knew Morrigan/Leliana very well in Origins? Re-introduction? Repeat the same relationship development as in DAO? I mean, come on, I already flirted with Morrigan for hours. I knew her childhood history. I knew her desire for power. I knew her dislike for some of society behaviour. I knew she is vunerable to love even though she pretend to be strong women etc... The new protagonist may not know her but I can't pretend like that. Not while there's strong emotional connection between my previous warden and her. It's just doesn't work for me unless, I never assume the role of the Warden. ( You know something like just control the character but never actually put oneself in the character's shoe like most people did with their Hawke. )   

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 22 novembre 2011 - 09:34 .

[maxernst]

LobselVith8 wrote...

JonathanShepard wrote...

Because I for one, believe it would be interesting for the Player Character to try to seduce either Morrigan and/or Leliana after the Warden had had a relationship with either one of them both sexual and romantic. 

If The Warden had a child with Morrigan, successfully romanced her during the Fifth Blight, and left Ferelden with her into the Eluvian of the Dragonbone Wastes, I don't see it happening.

Leliana, on the other hand, apparently left The Warden to work for Divine Justina V, so I suppose it's possible.

You never know with Morrigan.  If she's back in Thedas and has a use for the player character, she might try and seduce him.  As to Leliana, whose to say the Warden didn't leave her when he "vanished"?

[Maria Caliban]

The term sloppy seconds is objectifying. It suggests that someone isn't a person with their own desires and innate worth but something akin to a bottle of milk someone else had popped the cap on and left in the fridge for two weeks.

Moreover, it makes no sense when applied to Morrigan or Leliana as they'd already been in sexual relationships prior to meeting the Warden. The saying implies that the Warden was their first.

That is, if I didn't object to their sexual history when I played my Warden, why would I object to it on another PC?

[Brockololly]

So long as BioWare is intent on churning out new PC's with every game I'd rather they churn out new companions every game as well. If they want to bring back old companion characters have it be as NPCs so they can react appropriately to the events and choices of past games.

Modifié par Brockololly, 22 novembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Phaedros]

It should have been, sloppy or otherwise, thirds

No continuation of warden's tale in DA2 to speak of. Why expect continuation of DA:O after Brent Knowles left because of future direction?

Teh new guy *always* had other plans...

[MKDAWUSS]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

JonathanShepard wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Newsflash: with the single exception of Alistair all companions you could romance in DAO were "sloppy seconds" already. And unless he/she happened to be a virgin, so was your PC.

Well I guess they were, but it's kind of more interesting going after the Warden's sloppy seconds considering that you, the player, were the Warden at one point before you were given a new protagonist to play with. And I know Isabella used to be one of the Grey Warden's sloppy seconds but she was kind of a side-character of no real importance until Bioware decided to make her important for the sequel. 

And how do you propose this new protagonist to react given the condition that the player behind this new protagonist already knew Morrigan/Leliana very well in Origins? Re-introduction? Repeat the same relationship development as in DAO? I mean, come on, I already flirted with Morrigan for hours. I knew her childhood history. I knew her desire for power. I knew her dislike for some of society behaviour. I knew she is vunerable to love even though she pretend to be strong women etc... The new protagonist may not know her but I can't pretend like that. Not while there's strong emotional connection between my previous warden and her. It's just doesn't work for me unless, I never assume the role of the Warden. ( You know something like just control the character but never actually put oneself in the character's shoe like most people did with their Hawke. )   

A lot has happened between DAO and DA3. Things happened between then, and those people did change. There'd be plenty to get acquainted with rather than reacquainted.

[naledgeborn]

Brockololly wrote...

So long as BioWare is intent on churning out new PC's with every game I'd rather they churn out new companions every game as well. If they want to bring back old companion characters have it be as NPCs so they can react appropriately to the events and choices of past games.

[Marvin_Arnold]

LobselVith8 wrote...

If The Warden had a child with Morrigan, successfully romanced her during the Fifth Blight, and left Ferelden with her into the Eluvian of the Dragonbone Wastes, I don't see it happening.

Leliana, on the other hand, apparently left The Warden to work for Divine Justina V, so I suppose it's possible.

I think she's busy romancing Cassandra...

Concerning Morrigan, you can also romance her, but refuse the Ritual and still she'd be pregnant (no god-baby, though, unless she seduced Riordan...) and take you through the Eluvian...

[Malanek]

I thought the term "sloppy seconds" referred to the acts happening within a relatively short space of time.

[Kail Ashton]

I'd be more annoyed if Alistair was ever romancible aagin "sob" BROMANCE YO~!

[The Six Path of Pain]

lol If anyone tries to touch my Wardens's Morrigan,they will be sent back to where ever the hell they came from stuffed in a box.Seriously though i'd rather they make new romances for every future DA games.So yeah any love interests from older games are out of the question.

[hussey 92]

How old will Morrigan and Leliana be in DA3?

[SiIencE]

hussey 92 wrote...

How old will Morrigan and Leliana be in DA3?

Wynne's age? (Looks) 
(Or Leliana/Morrigan are 'immortal' and look the same forever?)

[Apathy1989]

thats1evildude wrote...

That's not really the definition of 'sloppy seconds' as I understand it, but whatever.

If Leliana or Morrigan were part of the cast for DA3, I would prefer it if they were only available as a love interest if they didn't already have a relationship with the Warden. Otherwise, they shut down any attempts at seduction.

This. Honestly I'm a secretly romantic sod, and I would like to think the romances have endured.

[LolaLei]

Apathy1989 wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

That's not really the definition of 'sloppy seconds' as I understand it, but whatever.

If Leliana or Morrigan were part of the cast for DA3, I would prefer it if they were only available as a love interest if they didn't already have a relationship with the Warden. Otherwise, they shut down any attempts at seduction.

This. Honestly I'm a secretly romantic sod, and I would like to think the romances have endured.

This!

[Emzamination]

hussey 92 wrote...

How old will Morrigan and Leliana be in DA3?

David gaider said morrigan is early 30's during origins so I'd say about late 30's early 40's IF they throw us into the game at the beginning of the war but then again morrigan is a special case and may still be in her early 30's appearance wise atleast.

Leliana will be mid/late 30's if we enter the game at the start of the war.

[LolaLei]

Emzamination wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

How old will Morrigan and Leliana be in DA3?

David gaider said morrigan is early 30's during origins so I'd say about late 30's early 40's IF they throw us into the game at the beginning of the war but then again morrigan is a special case and may still be in her early 30's appearance wise atleast.

Leliana will be mid/late 30's if we enter the game at the start of the war.

They'll probably retcon their ages or just never bring up the fact that they all look so young lol.