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[TheButterflyEffect]

Hello Bioware.

I'll never play this game again because too many things ruined it for me, especially this. But I'll still give your future games a chance. Please promise me in the future, though, that you won't include another male love interest who is:

a) a virgin - that made what happens later in the plot a bajillion times more revolting.
a royal bastard - again, what comes of this later in the plot is nauseatingly vile and just ruins the whole thing entirely.
c) an incompetent, porridge brained nutjob or
d) a dimwitted peabrained nutjob.

Seriously, that infuriated me and pissed me off on SO MANY levels. This character annoys me to no ends. Seriously, why was it NOT an option to kick his stupid ass out of the party? Please make all future companions optional, too. Unless they're extremely competent and non-annoying. If not, you'd better give us the option to get rid of them from the start. They ruin the game with their infuriating stupidity.

Seriously, he'll dump you and refuse to ever touch you again EVER, but will still gladly bang Morrigan when asked. Good god, what a loser. Even if that doesn't happen, here in Awakening he's absent from the entire story with absolutely no explanation. I highly dislike this.

Also, going to another point: the "dark ritual". Seriously, this is why I hate sex in video games - most especially heterosexual sex, because video games developers always make it as disgusting and vile as possible (like Fear 2... oh dear sweet mother of God. Crap, I'm not even going to get started on that). Can we NOT EVER have men and women in video games having sex with each other WITHOUT reproduction being involved or mentioned? Especially in an extremely revolting and disgusting manner such as this. It's not that I have any problem with reproduction. It's because video games devs, like you, always end up doing it all wrong and it ends up being extremely vile and putting a MASSIVE damper on the story like it s here. It often even ruins the plot completely. Like it did here. It's nasty and unpleasant and makes me feel nauseated and repulsed by sex, which I don't like. I very much hate having a nasty, creepy (and clearly heterosexual) woman trying to come onto my openly gay character. Please don't do that again. (you should make all sexual and romance sideplots exclusively homosexual, though I know you'd never do that because now you're all scared of stupid Fox and their mundane stupidness.)

Lastly is the sterility thing. Another thing that repulsed me about the romance sideplot involving the aforementioned male character; loser goes and dumps you over it above all else. So you forcibly spayed/neutered our characters like the National Socialists; whatever. I really strongly implore you to not do that to the protagonist in any future games like this. But if not, can you please, please not make the sterility thing into a big deal? I highly disapprove of that. It's ridiculous, idiotic, and infuriating. The Witcher, which also features a sterile protagonist - he can't reproduce, but it's a non-issue, treated in a nice way and not made into a big deal. Plus he's also immune to STI's. So if we must be sterile, can you try to make it a positive instead of a negative thing? At least give us some kind of decent benefit along with it. Oh, and not make any partners kick the protagonist to the dust over it. That would be great. Nobody liked Henry VII for a very good reason.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 23 novembre 2011 - 12:58 .

[thats1evildude]

What's this? Another thread complaining about Alistair from TBE? I am shocked, SHOCKED, by this development.

I was amused, however, at your request to make all the romances exclusively homosexual. To hell with them breeders!

Oh, TBE. you're either the stealthiest troll ever or completely bat****, but you never fail to entertain.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 23 novembre 2011 - 07:48 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

I'm not trying to make anyone angry, I'm only trying to make a point about how awful much of the stuff they tossed in the story was.

The way they did it in the ME games was very good... well, sort of, even though they banned homosexual relationships; with having aliens in the mix, reproduction was a concept that was pretty much never mentioned or brought up for Shepard. Thank goodness; that is how I like it. That's the best way to do it. I think they should keep doing it just like that. It's a lot better than how they did it in this game.

I'm also upset by the plot making a big deal out of the sterility thing. Why can it not be a positive thing? If not, why not simply make it a "neutral" or meaningless thing? If nothing else, then it's kind of like an acne scar on one's cheek... it's there, but I see no reason to point it out or call attention to it.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 23 novembre 2011 - 01:44 .

[thats1evildude]

The sterility of the Wardens was never an issue for me. It got a passing mention at most. It only really becomes a problem when romancing Alistair.

I'll refrain from indulging this insanity any further because there's no point in arguing with you. The game's been out for three years and you're still in a snit over a few minor points of contention. I'd say 'Get over it', but we both know you won't.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 23 novembre 2011 - 07:50 .

[TheButterflyEffect]

Because I wish throwing this twit's arse out of the party was an option. God damnit, why was it not an option? I'm the only Grey Warden in all of Scotland. This kid is too much of a dumbnut to count. I'm stuck with him and have to tell his whiny arse to STFU and ****** off constantly. At the very least they gave us the option to have his head chopped off, though I wish we could do it personally. Phew.

Still, it's making a big deal about having broken sexual organs and that's really unacceptable IMO. But I guess the sterility thing doesn't matter, because the protagonist is going to be miserable and alone for the rest of their worthless, diseased life. Gee, thanks, Bioware.

Like I said, pretty much every damn good deed you do in this game is utterly pointless in the end; it's not that you don't even get a thank you in return, it's that in return, people spit in your face and tramples all over your every attempt at goodness because everyone hates you hapless pseudo-Black Death sufferers for some dumb reason. They don't lift a finger to try to help you achieve it, or to help uphold the good you've tried to bring to their lives. Worthless handjobs. Everything you did for them was meaningless to them, they don't care one bit that you saved their stupid worthless lives, just like Garahel and everyone else who came befour you.

Even your love interest screws you over in the end. The creepy half naked chick from the bog never gave a crap about you, she just wanted you and used you for your you-know-what the entire time. The redhead chick runs off to England for some stupid reason to do some stupid unspecificed crap with the lady-Pope. The elf kid runs off to Spain to play around with the Blue Jays or whatever they're called. And we're not told where in the hay the useless dimwit bummed off to.

Hail, even your fellow Greys don't want you. You're stuck down in the loserville that is Scotland all by yourself, you never get to meet ANY others EVER, and they won't even attempt to help you do THEIR darned jobs.

Oh, and you're sterile, which automatically means you can't be any noble ever and no one will ever marry you. You're still exiled from your old home, you're an outcast for life, your family still disowns you and wants absolutely nothing to do with you. Even if your a Cousland or an Aeducan. In which case, you're as low as the lowliest commoner even though you never did ANYTHING wrong in your noble life to deserve being cast off like a piece of garbage. In the end, in spite of all you've done, you're still just a dirt and sewage veined muggle like all the other protagonists. Your family doesn't want you back, EVER. Nice. Really nice.

Sheesh. This place stinks even worse than the middens in the real medieval Europe. Were they trying to make the protagonist like William Wallace or something? If they were, they did a lousy job. This all sucks.

[DrFumb1ezX]

Cool story, bro. From the small snippets I have meagerly gathered from your writings, I have deduced that you are not too fond of Alistair. A shame, really. Well, best of luck! XD

[Merilsell]

OH HEAVENS! Just look at the time. Is it already THAT late again for another of the repetitive hate threads of TBE? Yeah, I think it indeed is xD

It's okay, though. Moar Alistair for Lenya then

[ejoslin]

I keep trying to post but words keep failing me... Alistair broke my heart too!  It really is okay.  I'm still in awe of the writers for making me care SO DAMN MUCH!

Modifié par ejoslin, 23 novembre 2011 - 01:19 .

[mousestalker]

My first full play through Alistair dumped me after I made him king. I was so upset my Tabris did the Ultimate Sacrifice. The writers did an excellent job of making a compelling story, manipulative wretches that they are.

[Corker]

Next time you leave camp, select three companions who aren't Alistair. When in camp, don't talk to him. At the Landsmeet, just pretend he's another NPC Eamon is dragging along.

And tell Morrigan to STFU if you don't like her offer.

Boom, problems solved.

[Dragon Age Origins411]

How are you complaining about alistair.Hes the best npc in the game and he stilled stayed with my elf charictar at the end.So what now???!!!!Oh and sorry for the spelling mistakes

[ShimmeringDjinn]

Dragon Age Origins411 wrote...

How are you complaining about alistair.Hes the best npc in the game and he stilled stayed with my elf charictar at the end.So what now???!!!!Oh and sorry for the spelling mistakes

This (Bold part)
I seriously don't know why people get bent out of shape over the whole 'Wardens can't have kids' thing. It hardly matters. Its a dark fantasy RPG not a life simulation. Myself personally, I like the fact that they can't have kids because it means all those 'Cousland Queens' are not so 'Queenie' after all
Now if you'll excuse me, my Surana has some Alistair loving to do

[ShimmeringDjinn]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Hello Bioware.

I'll never play this game again because too many things ruined it for me, especially this. But I'll still give your future games a chance. Please promise me in the future, though, that you won't include another male love interest who is:

a) a virgin - that made what happens later in the plot a bajillion times more revolting.
a royal bastard - again, what comes of this later in the plot is nauseatingly vile and just ruins the whole thing entirely.
c) an incompetent, porridge brained nutjob or
d) a dimwitted peabrained nutjob.

What virgin? Only virgin in this game is Alistair and since you mention him as being a 'royal bastard' I can only assume you are refering to Morrigan as 'the virgin' which she clearly is not if party banter or the way she throws herself at the male PC is anything to go by.

Modifié par ShimmeringDjinn, 23 novembre 2011 - 04:48 .

[tklivory]

And why did Jack have to die in Titanic? Stupid writers. And that stupid 'Rosebud' thing in Citizen Kane - totally unnecessary.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

tklivory wrote...

And why did Jack have to die in Titanic? Stupid writers. And that stupid 'Rosebud' thing in Citizen Kane - totally unnecessary.

Well said *Claps hands*

Modifié par ShimmeringDjinn, 23 novembre 2011 - 07:56 .

[maxernst]

I find it amusing that you're so outraged that sterility is a big issue for Alistair when it's only an issue when he's made king, and the reasons why being able to have children is important for a king should be fairly obvious. Look up the War of the Roses for just one example of the problems that occur when kings don't have clear heirs. He's just doing his best to be a good king after you force him onto the throne.

And he doesn't go "gladly" to Morrigan. He goes to Morrigan for you, just like he became king for you, and will gladly go to his death for you.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

maxernst wrote...

I find it amusing that you're so outraged that sterility is a big issue for Alistair when it's only an issue when he's made king, and the reasons why being able to have children is important for a king should be fairly obvious. Look up the War of the Roses for just one example of the problems that occur when kings don't have clear heirs. He's just doing his best to be a good king after you force him onto the throne.

And he doesn't go "gladly" to Morrigan. He goes to Morrigan for you, just like he became king for you, and will gladly go to his death for you.

*Nod's in agreement* Very very well said Max.
As much as I hate -yes I said HATE- Morrigan, it is YOU the PC who has to convince/blackmail Alistair in to doing the ritual, so if anyone is to blame it is YOU! You cannot blame HIM, Tis most unfair.

Modifié par ShimmeringDjinn, 23 novembre 2011 - 08:47 .

[Zy-El]

You could always just side with Anora to be queen and have Alistair executed. Have you never done that play-through?

[CBGB]

ejoslin wrote...
I'm still in awe of the writers for making me care SO DAMN MUCH!

Me, too!

Hi, Ejoslin!Thanks for helping me see the depth in another character, in the What's the Romantic Appeal of Zevran?


I couldn't disagree more with the initial post - few other games make me care as much about the characters - but I do understand that opinions vary, and that's it hard to please everyone. Some more than others.

[tklivory]

There's a difference between 'not liking something' and dismissing something you don't like as stupid and poorly done. I think that's what sticks in my craw. I may not like Loghain (especially as much as other people do), but I will freely admit he is a well-written, deep character, even if most of the time I end up executing him in the game.

EDIT: it's not even that I don't like Loghain - I *do* like him, he's a deep yet flawed character, and I can see his nobility and remorse, and empathize with his reasoning to a degree.  However, I often don't spare him because my characters don't see that aspect of him.  Just a quick note on that.

Modifié par tklivory, 23 novembre 2011 - 10:05 .

[Sushifer]

Obvious troll is obvious (and if you're not deliberately trollin', apologies, but you must admit the effect is much the same) but I'm intrigued, unwise as it is to get involved in this hate-stirring- why did you romance Alistair if you're not so keen on heterosexual relationships and clearly not keen on him at all? (unless you're using a mod, in which case, carry on)

Corker wrote...

Next time you leave camp, select three companions who aren't Alistair. When in camp, don't talk to him. At the Landsmeet, just pretend he's another NPC Eamon is dragging along.

And tell Morrigan to STFU if you don't like her offer.

Boom, problems solved.

^ What she said:P There are many many ways to avoid having to deal with the things you're angry about in-game .

Also interesting you refer to Ferelden and Orlais as Scotland and England, heh. When I'm talking about them casually to people who are less familiar with the actual country names I go for England/Britain and France. Cultural differences or such, I guess.

Modifié par Sushifer, 23 novembre 2011 - 10:47 .

[ejoslin]

CBGB wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
I'm still in awe of the writers for making me care SO DAMN MUCH!

Me, too!

Hi, Ejoslin!Thanks for helping me see the depth in another character, in the What's the Romantic Appeal of Zevran?


I couldn't disagree more with the initial post - few other games make me care as much about the characters - but I do understand that opinions vary, and that's it hard to please everyone. Some more than others.

Hey there!  You started something incredibly epic with that thread.  It's good to see you're still around

[Tryynity]

I am not a big fan of Alistair either - but that is good because I dont like everyone that I meet in life. He is a well written character that comes across in a realistic way.

The writers have done well even by inspiring such hatred in OP - good writing should bring on some kind of emotional response

- I have laughed, cried, screamed, swooned, agonised over choices, even feared in some places. Thats the experience I want when I RPG - I dont want plastic cookie cutter characters - save that for a Care Bears RPG Game

And yes when Alistair dumped me first time around - I impaled myself on the horns of the AD and then lay in my bed and nursed my heartache until I eventually fell asleep.... thats powerful (and sad LOL)

[Tryynity]

In fairness if you are a bloke (guy) you get to choose between a crabby witch & or a flakey bard and of course the gigolo elf - I think its about even on that score.

I was happy with my gigolo elf... and I miss him muchly

Although I would be all for more romantic options/depth etc...  for both sexes

Modifié par Tryynity, 26 novembre 2011 - 07:54 .