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[ejoslin]

I'm a fan of the gigolo elf as well. Too many people sell that romance short. Of course, it's so bugged, it's easy to see short I suppose. But talk about a fairy-tale romance... It's amazing!

Edit: Oh dear, I'm fangirlling again.

Modifié par ejoslin, 26 novembre 2011 - 08:25 .

[Klidi]

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

I cannot romance Alistair, no matter how hard I try - he's a nice younger brother, but not a man I want to romance.
But you're unfair - Alistair can't know what Duncan told you and what not. What do you want him to do, start conversations like, 'Oh, and by the way, did Duncan mention that you will only live for thirty years?'
And the decision to make a baby to Morrigan is up to PC. She has to convince Alistair that it's right thing to do. If she doesn't and they're in love, he goes and sacrifices himself so that PC can live - in other words, he makes difficult decision and takes responsibility, in the most crucial moment.

[actionhero112]

Ok romancing Alistair takes a certain type of person. If you can get past his dashingly good looks, devilish sense of humor, and down to earth nature, at the beginning of the game, he is still very much a child at heart. He's always had someone looking out for him, (Eamon, Duncan) and your character is responsible for growing him into the man that people can respect, and eventually, rule a kingdom.

I'm going to make a blatant generalization here and say that people that don't like helping people with their problems, expecting them to be emotionally stable at the outset of every adventure and essentially expecting npc party members not to be human, will not want to romance Alistair. Those of us who realize that people have flaws, and part of getting to know someone is getting past said flaws, will like the romance system in this game, especially Alistair.

I also laughed at the kids issue. Alistair has responsibilities as a king to produce an heir. The game's storyline pretty much etches out what happens if not.

Companions in this game will take care of you, but they also need to be taken care of themselves, especially Alistair. Its a give and take that comes with most relationships. If you are used to being the taker in relationships, I repeat, you will not like the romance in this game.

And dude, stop being such a hetero-phobe. This is a video game, and while you can roleplay your character as yourself, some options in the game are going to be for the actual story, not centered around your roleplay.

Modifié par actionhero112, 26 novembre 2011 - 07:31 .

[ejoslin]

actionhero112 your generalizations actually are quite insulting -- even acknowledging them doesn't stop them from being insulting. Just because someone doesn't share the same taste in men as you do doesn't mean anything like what you're saying here. I personally realize that people have flaws and love it that the companions in DAO are flawed, yet I don't like romancing Alistair. Different strokes for different folks and all...

[Klidi]

I'm going to make a blatant generalization here and say that people that don't like helping people with their problems, expecting them to be emotionally stable at the outset of every adventure and essentially expecting npc party members not to be human, will not want to romance Alistair. Those of us who realize that people have flaws, and part of getting to know someone is getting past said flaws, will like the romance system in this game, especially Alistair.

Your generalisation is not only insulting, it's wrong.

I don't expect people to be 'emotionally stable at the outset of every adventure', and I do like helping people.

Yet I don't like romancing Alistair - because I don't believe in relationships based on pity and desire to help with someone's emotional problems. I can get to know Alistair and help him with his problems without romancing him, only as a friend. I normally play as a male character, so I don't romance Alistair, but wae are always good friends and I try to help him as much as I can.

For romance, however, I need something else than just a pity - and for me, Alistair doesn't have it. If other people find it in Alistair, excellent. But to say that those who don't don't like helping people or don't realize that people have flows is very narrow-minded and naive.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

Klidi wrote...

I'm going to make a blatant generalization here and say that people that don't like helping people with their problems, expecting them to be emotionally stable at the outset of every adventure and essentially expecting npc party members not to be human, will not want to romance Alistair. Those of us who realize that people have flaws, and part of getting to know someone is getting past said flaws, will like the romance system in this game, especially Alistair.

Yet I don't like romancing Alistair - because I don't believe in relationships based on pity and desire to help with someone's emotional problems.

My Surana would say that is slightly insuting, since it suggests that one can only have a relationship with him out of pity.........

[Klidi]

I failed to explain. Sorry for that. What I meant was, that I like Alistair as a friend, I pity him, I want to help him, I get to know him. But that's all. I don't feel that 'something extra' that is required for a relationship (which doesn't mean that other people can't feel it). If I romanced him, it would be only out of pity, and for me, that wouldn't be enough.

If other people feel more than pity and friendship for him, if there is 'spark' between them and they and romance Alistair - awesome. I'm really happy for them.

But I refuse that I don't romance him because I don't want to help people.

I hop this makes it more clear.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

Klidi wrote...

I failed to explain. Sorry for that. What I meant was, that I like Alistair as a friend, I pity him, I want to help him, I get to know him. But that's all. I don't feel that 'something extra' that is required for a relationship (which doesn't mean that other people can't feel it). If I romanced him, it would be only out of pity, and for me, that wouldn't be enough.

If other people feel more than pity and friendship for him, if there is 'spark' between them and they and romance Alistair - awesome. I'm really happy for them.

But I refuse that I don't romance him because I don't want to help people.

I hop this makes it more clear.

 Yes, that is much clearer. Thank you

[Mike3207]

Zy-El wrote...

You could always just side with Anora to be queen and have Alistair executed. Have you never done that play-through?

I mentioned that to him the last thread he started-he must not have done it. Of course, if he did it he couldn't staret these threads.

[ejoslin]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

No point? You've never seen this!  (well, this particular clip ends in a breakup, but is still an amazing confession of love -- just to a heartless warden).  *sigh*

Really, all the romances are good and worth doing at least once if for no other reason you get to see different content in various playthroughs.

Modifié par ejoslin, 27 novembre 2011 - 10:50 .

[ShimmeringDjinn]

Another thing is, if there is no chance of two Grey Warden have children and it is a big issue in the end, why Alistair keep on romancing the PC all the time? he just can stop any relation attempts by the PC saying two Grey Warden will not have children and short lived.

Er......because he's an AI character and your PC is the one who intiates the romance to begin with?......Well that's my guess anyway.
Also the 'not being able to have children' issue is only a problem if the Warden declares herself Queen. It matters not for those of us who have zero interest in usurping a throne and perfer to stay Wardens.

As a side note. Children do not make for a happy relationship. In fact more often than not, children break relationships. If one can't feel happy in a relationship without having children then I'd say that the relationship is doomed to fail anyway.......

[Klidi]

Nizaris1 wrote...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

If you never gave him a chance, then you should not judge him. He's so much more than 'bisexual gigolo'. Even if you don't romance him, he can be a great friend, willing to die for you.

Nizaris1 wrote...
Well, in Ostagar, after the PC meet him, there is an opportunity to ask questions. None of the questions are about what happen after being a Grey Warden. It is all a secret. Even the joining is a secret. Then, after the joining Duncan said everything will be made clear in few month. Meaning Duncan maybe will tell the PC about Grey Warden are short lived, and dead if killing the Archdemon. But he died before telling the PC all that.

In Ostagar, when PC meets Alistair, she's not a Warden yet. It's logical that they don't tell her the secrets. Duncan would tell her later - nobody intended to keep her in dark. Including Alistair.

Nizaris1 wrote....
While Alistair, knowing that the PC is just a very junior member of the order, left everything to her, and then keeping all the secrets from the PC, keeping all the bad news, and then after all the wonderful things the PC going through as a Grey Warden and romancing him, he just just giving the PC bad news after the PC ask about the Grey Warden.....

Yes, Alistair leaves everything to the PC. He admits that he prefers to be led. While I agree it's unfrair - and it is on of the reasons why I can't romance him - I can understand that he doesn't feel as a leader. Through all he previous life, he was raised not to lead, so he wouldn't be potential rival for Cailan. I in fact liked that it takes a year before Alistair accepts that he could be a king.

But you contradict yourself. You say that he keeps secrets from PC - and then you say that he gives her answers if she asks. Which one is it, then? Because if he was 'keeping secrets' from her, he would not answer those questions. In normal life, she would tell him 'Duncan didn't have time to tell me anything, so you tell me all you know' and he would. In game, they broke it into several conversations, but the result is the same - the moment she asks, he tells her. 

Perhaps he could tell her by himself, but to think about that would actually require some leader skills. Which he doesn't have.

Nizaris1 wrote..
Another thing is, if there is no chance of two Grey Warden have children and it is a big issue in the end, why Alistair keep on romancing the PC all the time? he just can stop any relation attempts by the PC saying two Grey Warden will not have children and short lived.

The PC knows that they have only 30 years pretty early. Not from the very beginning, no, but quite soon. If it's an issue for her, she can break romance with Alistair. Or not start it at all.
That the two Grey Wardens can't have children is an issue only if Alistair becomes a king. Which he doesn't want and the PC, together with Eamon, force him to do it.
If it was up to him, he would remain a Warden. Let him stay the Warden and childen are not an issue at all. As far as I remember, it's not even mentioned... but Alistair fans would know more about that.

Nizaris1 wrote..
About Dark Ritual, i don't want anyone to die for me especially the one i love, that is in the reality, so it goes in the fantasy, the game i play for hours, building romance and on and on, suddenly the plot demand him to have baby with other woman in order for the PC and him to live or else one of them die...i say.."what is this?"

It was in fact a very clever thing from Bioware to do. They could leave it without way out and one of them would have to die. Such things can happen in real life as well, you know - especially during the war. They gave the player the chance, but it was not cheap. PC must make an important and difficult decision - die, let the one she loves die, or let him have a baby with another woman - the baby that could possibly become threat in future.

Yes, it's difficult. Why should it be easy? Thanks the Maker and Andraste it is not! It would ruin the game completely, if there was an easy way to save it all, without any consequences.

Nizaris1 wrote..
You see, i always imagine the character in any RPG is my self in the fantasy world, now not only my Avatar is tainted, short lived, being cheated, infertile and then doing the most imposible desicion by any woman, letting my boyfriend to have sex to produce a baby with my close friend because the plot demand it. As a player, i feel it is all suck...not to metion other things in the game such as bugs and imbalanceness...

Bugs and imbalancess are another thing.

What you're complaining about most are decisions that the player must make. If that sucks for you, then you're clearly not the target group for which Bioware intended this game. There are many other great games out there that would suit you more.

As you said - why do you keep playing this game all this time? It's pointless.

Unless there is, despite everything you said, something you really like about the DA.

Modifié par Klidi, 27 novembre 2011 - 03:45 .

[ejoslin]

If I were faced with the prospect of almost certain death for my husband or me which could likely be averted by him making a baby with someone else, friend or not, it would not be a difficult decision at all. I would not only push him through the bedroom door, I'd also send him in with a bottle of wine.

I would have zero issue with the sex. The making of an old god baby, however, is the part that would give me pause. I cannot for the life of me grok why women think that having their man have sex with someone else to literally save his life is an issue.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

ejoslin wrote...
I would have zero issue with the sex. The making of an old god baby, however, is the part that would give me pause. I cannot for the life of me grok why women think that having their man have sex with someone else to literally save his life is an issue.

Well that makes two of us then.

[Merilsell]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

I stopped reading after that. <_<

[Little Queen]

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

But maybe you should try it, the romance might suprise you, i always romanced alistair and turned to zevran at some point, cuz the romance is better by far. :/

[Persephone]

Merilsell wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

I stopped reading after that. <_<

We rarely agree, Meri, but I definitely agree with you there. :happy:

[ShimmeringDjinn]

Little Queen wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

But maybe you should try it, the romance might suprise you, i always romanced alistair and turned to zevran at some point, cuz the romance is better by far. :/

Not everyone likes the same things in a romantic partner (I believe its already been said in this thread) which is why I avoid Zevran just as Nizaris 1 does.

[Merilsell]

Persephone wrote...

Merilsell wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

I stopped reading after that. <_<

We rarely agree, Meri, but I definitely agree with you there. :happy:

Hah, see wonders DOES happen. Maybe it is because it is christmas soon? :innocent:

[ejoslin]

ShimmeringDjinn wrote...

Little Queen wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

But maybe you should try it, the romance might suprise you, i always romanced alistair and turned to zevran at some point, cuz the romance is better by far. :/

Not everyone likes the same things in a romantic partner (I believe its already been said in this thread) which is why I avoid Zevran just as Nizaris 1 does.

Zevran is the romance partner to have if you want absolute and undivided loyalty and commitment (DA2 Zevran is bugged and the only romance partner not to be repaired, unfortunately).  Alistair, especially if you make him king and are not a Cousland, will always have a conflict that Zevran, who has no other ties, does not have.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

@ejoslin.
I have no doubt that Zevran is loyal, because even as a friend he is loyal to the end -not to mention funny as hell. He simply does interest me/my characters as a romance partner.
Each to their own I guess

Edit to add. I never ever make Alistair King (Or play as a Cousland for that matter, because I hate the hoe) so him dumping my character is not a problem for me.

Modifié par ShimmeringDjinn, 27 novembre 2011 - 04:41 .

[Merilsell]

ShimmeringDjinn wrote...

Little Queen wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...

@ Nizaris - have you even tried to romance Zevran? I doubt it...

No, and i see no point in romancing a bisexual gigolo and an assasin who was failed to kill the Warden. In most of my playthrough, i just kill him with the magical knife.

But maybe you should try it, the romance might suprise you, i always romanced alistair and turned to zevran at some point, cuz the romance is better by far. :/

Not everyone likes the same things in a romantic partner (I believe its already been said in this thread) which is why I avoid Zevran just as Nizaris 1 does.

Sure you don't have to romance him if you don't like his....upbringing, as said before it is a matter of taste. I love Alistair, I love Zevran and both of their romances. It is possible to do both, you know? Given, Alistair gets most of the girls, but Zev is always my Warden's best friend when he isn't her lover. Easy as. I don't want to miss him and I really enjoy to write him. Zevran is such a fascinating, deep character, when you care to look what lies beyond the "sleazy" facade.

It is the killing on the spot thing that grates me. It reminds me how much I hate it when a character gets judged at his/her first appearance. Makes the writer in me furious, because there is always more to a character than one or two attributes. But oh well, some people like to game like that, I suppose. Can't and don't want to change that. I just say that I personally hate such an approach and would never do that. For example: In DA:O the character that does nothing for me is Loghain. But I don't hate him or something like that. I just don't care for him, yet I can easily acknowledge that he is a well-written, deep character and not your typical "I R EVULZ" villain. 

[ShimmeringDjinn]

@Merilsell.
My not romancing Zevran has nothing to do with his upbringing, and he is usually my Wardens best friend too.

Edit. Killing Zevran ouright when one first meets him is like......being run over and then blaming it on the car, rather than the driver.

Modifié par ShimmeringDjinn, 27 novembre 2011 - 04:56 .