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[tklivory]

@ Nizaris1

Like, whatever. I totally don't get how torture could be a joke, except, like, as a by the by way kind of thing. Did you, like, really expect people to read that and be, like, 'Bee Tee Em, that is, like, so funny! I would totally have decided to, like, use the ol' thumbscrews on that guy. LOL.' Like, why wouldn't it be the mostest funnest thing evar to, ya know, joke about inflicting bodily harm and saying, like, we should totally go there.

I mean, like, what is the Shanking Knife ™ for, except, like, to torture someone and, like, totally emulate that totally rad dude Arl Howe (like, what a hottie, I totally want to, like, be like him!)

Um, also, like, it shouldn't matter that you were, like, joking about Zevran's torture to someone who had, like, totally made it clear that it wouldn't be seen as a joke at all, especially given, like, your previous predilections and, like, responses. But then, like, I suppose homunculi with a preference for, ya know, billy goats in their diets wouldn't understand, like, why it would be insulting to insinuate why, like, all other members of her gender would willingly die for, for sure, sexual purity or, ya know, all men would, like, *totally* jump in the sack with that hot Morrigan chick (like, who wouldn't, right?) without any qualms whatsoever?

Yeah, like, totally LOL. What*ever*. I, like, totally see it.

Modifié par tklivory, 28 novembre 2011 - 04:54 .

[tklivory]

@ Nazaris1

As if! My evil character totally recruited that assassin, and was, like, totally 'you go, dude, and just remember, see this fireball? Yeah, that's, like, for you if you mess up, dude!'

It may be, like, an option for the totally evil dude, but that is, totally *not*, like, how your statement came across in any way, shape, or form, ya know. It came across a bit more strident than that.

Saying that it is an option for a ruthless character? Fine. Putting 'lol' in a statement concerning torture? That is, like, totally grody to the max. I'm sorry, that's just how I feel.

Granted, have I met people who in Real Life have been tortured? Yes. That colors the perspective a bit. You can talk about torture being an option for an evil character. Or even for a non-evil character that didn't like being the target of an assassination attempt.  But *don't* imply it is an 'lol' option. That's all.


Edit:

*Sigh*, yes this is one of my push button topics.  Sorry for whinging a bit strongly on it.  It's just, once you've worked closely with those recovering from being tortured, it's kinda hard to see humor in the topic.

Modifié par tklivory, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:06 .

[tklivory]

@ Nizaris1

That's not torture. That can be seen as either a mercy killing or just plain ruthless 'kill the guy', and can be perceived as funny or serious, but it is *not* torture. The two situations also do not compare. I don't object to a player choosing to kill Zevran at the first meeting - I accept that, and have RP'd it that way, just as I have RP'd killing the wounded soldier, killing the prisoner with the key, killing Connor, killing Isolde, killing Loghain, executing Alistair, etc, etc.

But none of those are torture. Those are clean, swift strokes of the Shanking Knife ™ (or a headsman's axe/sword or blood magic, whatever). The only torture depicted in the game is delivered by Arl Howe and his henchmen.

And I do apologize if it appeared I was demonising you, specifically, as a person (as I mention in an edited post, this is unfortunately a topic I have trouble seeing humor in due to personal experience). I merely wanted to demonise the use of torture as a 'funny' option. As with any issue that presents that kind of close experience, the language used can be strident, and it appears I was not able to appropriately control it, for which I again apologize.


Edit for spelling.  Heh.  Shaking knife vs Shanking knife.  Wonder which is more deadly?

Modifié par tklivory, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:14 .

[Merilsell]

tmp7704 wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Yeah but will never EVER touch you again. Or talk to you. Ever. What a nutjob.

He talks with you normally for the remainder of the game.

I'd like to put it as gently as possible, but this sort of blind exaggeration that ignores plain facts... it's a way of argument that doesn't make Alistair appear like a nutjob. I'm sorry.

Tmp, you sneaky man, you.



...and I like it.

[ejoslin]

RagingCyclone wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

Klidi wrote...
In some movies, yes. In some movies, no. Just because you prefer the ones with the happyending doesn't mean the others 'suck'. And vice versa.
I don't think it's nonsense from a woman perspective - as others already said, in case where life depends on it, to have a sex with another partner is not that big issue. The demon baby is another thing, but that's something also male Wardens have to consider.

It is nonsense, i will never let my boyfriend to have sex and making baby with other woman, no matter what the reason is. So, it will lead to one outcome in the game, someone will die....that is what suck about it.

After she going through, logically, it will go that ending. Of course DAO fans have play this game over and over and now all the endings, but for a new player, don't lie to me saying  there is no female player who get mad at the first time

For male character it is a fine plot...just bang everyone, it is a no big deal...right? That is what men do...don't lie to me, even if you guys have a wife, you guys still consider to bang other woman...

Um...just...not sure what to say on this one except...utterly, completely, and totally WRONG!!! Even my warden convinces Alistair to perform the DR because he cannot cheat on Leliana. So that stereotypical statement...yeah...all kinds of wrong there. <_<

I think it's hardest for men who romance Morrigan.  The woman he loves lets him know that she wants him to have sex with her, one last time, to impregnant her with his child whom he will never meet, and that he'll never see her again.  That would be a complete ripping out of someone's heart.  For all the other romances, you get the option of maybe a bit more time, a bit more happiness -- not for Morri (well, before witch hunt that is).

And as far as men wondering what his wife's best friend looks like naked?  So what?  What goes on in the mind does not mean anything at all if he never acts on those fleeting thoughts.

I've been married going on 20 years.  My husband is loyal and faithful, but I don't expect him to be a saint.  And yes, I think if you'd rather have your boyfriend DIE than have sex with someone else that your priorties are a bit wrong.

Modifié par ejoslin, 28 novembre 2011 - 08:56 .

[ejoslin]

Nizaris1 wrote...

@tklivory

You never play the evil character...? If you do, then you will not complain my statement.

Surely it is an option for evil character...

edit : If you can kill anyone with your magical knife, why not torture them first, eh?

While you can't torture Zevran, you do have a chance to see him being tortured if you take him to the circle tower.  And he may tell you a bit about other torture he's been through.  So you still can have SOME fun if that's your thing!

[pplr]

The game gives you options. Good and evil, ethical and unethical.

Sometimes the choices are simple and sometimes not (complex or even partly hidden).

Some people may believe in mercy killing and others may see the best thing as trying to help him stay alive-both tend (from the player's/warden's POV) be in favor of the person on the receiving end.

On the other hand you may see the killing as not mercy killing but a chance to be cruel. Someone playing an evil Warden can do that-in this game you choose (by your character's actions) if you are a hero or not.

[OPMAGE]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Lies. The Wardens are nothing but traitors who cheat you and lie to you and deceive you incessantly. They deceive you all throughout Origins and continue to do so in Awakening. None of your efforts, your forced sacrifices mean squat to them. Hell, here in Awakening they've even left you all alone, for a second time, to contend with the cheesy demon invasion thing that was cooked up as an excuse plot for this game. The whole story and concept around Drakespawn is so stupid. Even the name is extremely stupid. All they send you are a bunch of cheap little recruits clad in crap armor who wither and die at the drop of a hat before the game even begins. And then you're totally and completely alone. Good god, I'm not answering to these insufferable morons anymore.

And let's drop the BS about the DR. I don't care who they make do it - the whiny little blonde kid, the hardass old Braveheart ripoff, or the PC, it was still an utterly horrendous idea and it's so sickening and vile it's unreal.

They're leading us on a stupid string and we're never, ever going to find out what comes of that stupid crap plot anyway. Just like how they never, ever updated the damn toolcrap for DA2 in spite of their promises. Which were obviously taraf (what you call an "empty promise" in Iran).

Ugh.... I just wrote an epic reply but the internet cut out just as i sent it and i lost the whole thing. So let me just get to the main points.

OP "all relationships should be gay in the game": The game developers know that that would be suicide. Most gay people I know advocate that people have the right to choose. Either you are really retarded, an extreme sexual deviant, or a troll.

OP "Allistair left my character for dumb reasons" They aren't dumb. I think you mean political. And anyway learn to play, this break up can easily be avoided.

OP "Morrigan came on to my 100% gay warden": So? Just tell her to go away. If a virtual heterosexual advance makes you want to puke you should see someone about that. My gay classmate stroked my face and told me he wanted to be with me. Did i tell him he was vile and disgusting for coming on to me when I am obviously straight? No. I politely told him I wasn't interested. Heterosexuality being disgusting to you is just as bad if not worse than someone being intolerant of homosexuality. THis was REAL. He actually knew I was straight, whereas Morrigan's programming will do that regardless of who you romance. Your disturbing reactions to heterosexual advances in a game is downright creepy. But in the end just tell her no like I did with my classmate paul. You can even be rude to her. Also you missed the point. This isn't about "Ew boobies x_x" this was about whether you were selfish enough to value your own life or Allistairs life enough to allow an evil witch to control the power of an Old God. But even for shallow people like you who miss that, you can still say no for your selfish reasons. An advance from the opposite sexual orientation shouldn't be vile and disgusting, just unwanted. Lrn 2 mature.

OP "Grey wardens cheat and lie to you": The joining was secret for good reason, get over it. Allistair had personal reasons for ommiting that he had royal blood. And riordan was a coolguy. He never lied

OP "The wardens cheated and lied to me by leaving me alone at vigil's keep": If by that you mean they were killed or captured by darkspawn before you arrived than yes, you were cheated. How selfish of them to be killed or captured. I must say on this one you have a point.

In conclusion, I am sorry that Vince Vaghn didn't react well to your advances in Wedding Crashers, but don't take it out on poor Allistair.

PS get help

Modifié par OPMAGE, 30 novembre 2011 - 04:46 .

[Yate]

(you should make all sexual and romance sideplots exclusively homosexual, though I know you'd never do that because now you're all scared of stupid Fox and their mundane stupidness.)

I laughed.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

OPMAGE wrote...

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

Lies. The Wardens are nothing but traitors who cheat you and lie to you and deceive you incessantly. They deceive you all throughout Origins and continue to do so in Awakening. None of your efforts, your forced sacrifices mean squat to them. Hell, here in Awakening they've even left you all alone, for a second time, to contend with the cheesy demon invasion thing that was cooked up as an excuse plot for this game. The whole story and concept around Drakespawn is so stupid. Even the name is extremely stupid. All they send you are a bunch of cheap little recruits clad in crap armor who wither and die at the drop of a hat before the game even begins. And then you're totally and completely alone. Good god, I'm not answering to these insufferable morons anymore.

And let's drop the BS about the DR. I don't care who they make do it - the whiny little blonde kid, the hardass old Braveheart ripoff, or the PC, it was still an utterly horrendous idea and it's so sickening and vile it's unreal.

They're leading us on a stupid string and we're never, ever going to find out what comes of that stupid crap plot anyway. Just like how they never, ever updated the damn toolcrap for DA2 in spite of their promises. Which were obviously taraf (what you call an "empty promise" in Iran).

OP "all relationships should be gay in the game": The game developers know that that would be suicide. Most gay people I know advocate that people have the right to choose. Either you are really retarded, an extreme sexual deviant, or a troll.


PS get help

This (Bolded) I agree with, though I'd go with troll myself.

[tklivory]

Are we still feeding billy goats to the residents of this thread, people? Like, rad!

[Shinobu]

ejoslin wrote...

If I were faced with the prospect of almost certain death for my husband or me which could likely be averted by him making a baby with someone else, friend or not, it would not be a difficult decision at all. I would not only push him through the bedroom door, I'd also send him in with a bottle of wine.

I would have zero issue with the sex. The making of an old god baby, however, is the part that would give me pause. I cannot for the life of me grok why women think that having their man have sex with someone else to literally save his life is an issue.

^ This. And it's not only his life, but his *soul*.

I believe OP had her heart broken by Alistair. I can certainly understand that happening -- I actually felt physically ill at the thought of having my Warden dumped and I ran to the spoilers to get myself a happy ending. I can see being bitter about being blindsided by the whole dumping thing and feel these recurrent rants are a sort of talk therapy for OP. Unlike IRL the dumper can never apologize or make it up to TBE so she will never get closure. Even executing Alistair or WC ending can't make up for the shattered trust she placed in him, because it's not the same character, just an alternate reality version. That sucks.

TBE, I suggest you go out and fall in love IRL. Win or lose, it'll put the game in perspective.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Actually, no, at Vigil's Keep they totally F'd you over. If all of those stupid "Wardens" died so easily they must have been as strong as wet tissues. Obviously they cheaped out on me and sent a bunch of stupid incompetent n00b recruits. There's just no excuse for that.

And keeping the truth about the Joining a secret = a deception and betrayal. Seriously, why does the PC even NEED to become a Warden? Clearly they do not, every other companion kills the Daedra right alongside you no problems. It mightily pisses me off because for the rest of your life, everyone will apparently only see you and identify you as a "Warden" and not just as yourself. Seriously, even your own lover just calls you "Warden". The hell? WAS. NOT. NEEDED. The poor PC is doomed to be labeled and stigmatized for as long as they live. People are going to be lying to you, deceiving you, and screwing you over for the rest of your life. Why the hell couldn't we just stab that idiot brown guy in the spine or something? Or why couldn't we refuse, run away, or offer to serve the Wardens in some other way? Clearly being a Warden is meaningless to the plot overall since you could kill off Dorksporn no matter what. The only time it becomes relevant is when someone wants to slap you in the face with something entirely negative. It's all crap and there was no reason for it to even be forced on the player.

And no, the break-up thing is still a barrel of callous bullcrap. Seriously, if the Warden DIES he still doesn't fail to act like a complete ass rag. At your funeral he's all like "Oh maybe I SHOULD not have breaked up with you boohoo!" Uhh yeah, no crap sherlock, it's kinda late to be saying crap like that when you're standing over his/her lifeless corpse. You goddamn little son of a horse's rear.

Oh and if you use that persuasion crap during that crapsaccharine break up speech, he acts like you just jammed a red hot iron up his ass and tries to retract everything he just said like a total dumbnut even though five seconds ago the loser was ready to turn his back on you for good. Holy CRAP what a loser. He obviously doesn't give a steaming turd about the PC, and clearly didn't think any of this crap over in detail before he opened his idiot mouth. Crap-faced loser moron.

And then there's his whingy, colossally idiotic reaction to recruiting Loghain. Seriously, he throws a hissy like a three year old prat and runs off to drown in booze for the rest of his life. Seriously, how mature is that? Couldn't find anything in the world more unattractive that such juvenile behaviour. This kid is messed in the head and totally incapable of any intelligent level of thinking.

And the crap about the DR... well, what the hell? I won't go off in a tangent about how she only followed you to get into your pants, but if you're in a romance with her she's all like "No even though we gonna have demon rabble together I just MUST MUST MUST RUN AWAY FOREVER FOR NO GIVEN REASON!!! YOU MAY NEVER SEE YOUR CHILD AND YOU WILL NEVER SEE ME AGAIN AND DONT YOU DARE FOLLOW ME!!!!!" And yet they claim she still "loves" the Wadren? Sorry, but that doesn't sound very loving to me. If that happened in real life, social services would be on the case like a pack of rabid wolves. Makes no sense.

Then there's the fact that in Drakesporn Cuticles Altair has Morgan with him. Which means he must have done the ritual. The hell? This man, and this woman to some extent, sicken me. What the hell went on here? Why the hell would he do the demon spawning nasty with her with no Wadren there to persuade or whatever? He did it willingly? Holy crap.

So much sour-saccharine crap.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Sour-saccharine...mmm. I freakin' love pancakes. Lemon and sugar combo = AWESOME.

[tklivory]

But what about the berries? Pancakes without berries is teh sad. Especially lingonberries! Mmmmmmm.... Although you can't go wrong with some good crepes, either. Big ol' huge ones, I think those are the Danish kind? Can't remember...

Meh. They're, like, totally awesome!

Ya know, I've never, like, tried huckleberries before. Are those any good? Anyone? Anyone?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I actually cooked a berry stack a couple of nights ago! Three large pancakes with mixed berry coulis, all home made. Oh, and topped which vanilla ice cream, which wasn't home made.

Delicious!

[tklivory]

Oooo, you're making me hungry again! *drool* *plans to go to the store to get pancake goodness for the weekend*

Ah, I love modern life when you can get fresh fruit pretty much any time of the year. Yum!

[Tryynity]

Mmmmm pancakes

We are having tuna mushroom mornay w/vegies & rice for dinner tonight - in case you are interested.


A funny cooking video - SWEDISH CHEF - Popcorn

Modifié par Tryynity, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:08 .

[tklivory]

Tryynity wrote...

Mmmmm pancakes

We are having tuna mushroom mornay w/vegies & rice for dinner tonight - in case you are interested.


A funny cooking video - SWEDISH CHEF - Popcorn

Big ol' meanie, dangling delicious food like that in front of me when I'm hungry.


For some reason, though, this current portion of this thread brings these two gents to mind... Not sure why...

[Tryynity]

LOL they are my favourite characters out of all the Muppets.

[UpiH]

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Modifié par UpiH, 06 décembre 2011 - 08:19 .