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Are FPSs not innovative?

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:06

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The general consencus around here seems to be that first person shooters or shooters in general lack depth, creativity, and innovation.  And are thus, EVIL!  Now before I go any further, I will grant that there is some validity to the claims that FPS lack innovation. But, I don't think it is accurate to paint an entire genre in that manor.

There have been great FPSs made that are very much so innovative, creative and feature great depth. To name a few...

Half Life 2: Made way with it's Source engine, featureing a great physics engine and gameplay.

Battlefield series: Features great sound design, enviromental destruction, realistic bullet arcs.

Modern Warefare: The folks at Activision have perfected rail shooting.

Halo 2: The best in the series imo, Halo 2 told a very in depth and creative storyline.

Gears of War: Mainly introduced the duck and cover system that Mass Effect copied.

Far Cry: Tosses the player into an open world enviroment to explore, not unlike Skyrim.

Metroid Prime: Open world enviroment with great story and fun/ complex puzzles.

Bioshock: Never played it, from what I hear it had a very good story. 

Halo 3-Reach: Introduced forge editor.

Portal 1-2: I'll let the Portal series speak for it'self.


I could go on to list good first person shooters and not so good first person shooters, *coughMedalofHonorcough*. That said every genre has it's bad games, but what annoys me is the absurd ammount of arrogance and stupidity on these forums. For the most part everyone on here likes to whitewash every thing that isn't an RPG, especially first person shooters, real time strategies. Just look at the VGA thread.

I'm sorry to point out the elephant in the room. 

 Note: Most recent MoH and perhaps I made this little too much directed at the community as oppose to the discutssion at whole.

Modifié par Captain Filibuster, 23 novembre 2011 - 05:12 .

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:18

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Err... people thought Medal of Honor was a good first-person shooter? :blink:

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:25

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:29

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Seriously though, I think your attempts to enlighten the general public are a bit... misguided. Out of all of the games on that list, the only one I see consistently complained about by the people here (myself included) is Modern Warfare.

I'm sure people might have differing personal opinions about the other games - for example, I couldn't play Portal for more than five seconds before shutting the console down. That damn computer's voice sounds like two pieces of styrofoam being rubbed together. Bioshock also completely and utterly failed to interest me in any way.

Do all people share my opinion? Nope. Does it mean I have to forsake my personal point of view and jump on the majority's bandwagon? Nope.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:35

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I love the FPS genre.

But I would never make an FPS.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:36

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greengoron89 wrote...

Err... people thought Medal of Honor was a good first-person shooter? :blink:


Which one?  The original Medal of Honor on the PS1 and Medal of Honor: Allied Assault are great games. 

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:38

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ErichHartmann wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

Err... people thought Medal of Honor was a good first-person shooter? :blink:


Which one?  The original Medal of Honor on the PS1 and Medal of Honor: Allied Assault are great games. 


I believe the OP was talking about the newest release, which is an abomination.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:40

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@bussinrounds, see that's the aditiude I expected. Absolutely video games barrow ideas from each other and they definitely do feature similarities. But instead of coming up with a logical argument, you post a semi-deceptive image. Tool.

@greengoron89, i'm just trying to make a point here saying first person shooters are just as innovative as RPGs. Absolutely you can have your own opinions and preference, there is nothing wrong with that. Personally I'm not a fan of Call of Duty either, but I give them credit for perfecting rail gunning and zombies. That said, people might not call out games by name. But I see comments all the time on here degrading the FPS genre as a whole. Absolutely you can have your gripes with a game or two such as MW. But I think is terribly arrogant to label FPSs and their players as the scum of the earth.

And yes, I was talking about the most recent release.  

Modifié par Captain Filibuster, 23 novembre 2011 - 01:41 .

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:43

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Captain Filibuster wrote...

@bussinrounds, see that's the aditiude I expected. Absolutely video games barrow ideas from each other and they definitely do feature similarities. But instead of coming up with a logical argument, you post a semi-deceptive image. Tool.

@greengoron89, i'm just trying to make a point here saying first person shooters are just as innovative as RPGs. Absolutely you can have your own opinions and preference, there is nothing wrong with that. Personally I'm not a fan of Call of Duty either, but I give them credit for perfecting rail gunning and zombies. That said, people might not call out games by name. But I see comments all the time on here degrading the FPS genre as a whole. Absolutely you can have your gripes with a game or two such as MW. But I think is terribly arrogant to label FPSs and their players as the scum of the earth.

And yes, I was talking about the most recent release.  

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:45

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I just don't see where people are painting the whole genre with that brush - it's the CoD games alone that seem to catch flak for that, and I wholeheartedly agree.

Anyway, all of the most innovative titles have come and gone. Games can only really take small strides now as opposed to the giant leaps. Perhaps this is where the discontent, if any, comes from.

Modifié par greengoron89, 23 novembre 2011 - 01:46 .

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:46

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bussinrounds wrote...

Captain Filibuster wrote...

@bussinrounds, see that's the aditiude I expected. Absolutely video games barrow ideas from each other and they definitely do feature similarities. But instead of coming up with a logical argument, you post a semi-deceptive image. Tool.

@greengoron89, i'm just trying to make a point here saying first person shooters are just as innovative as RPGs. Absolutely you can have your own opinions and preference, there is nothing wrong with that. Personally I'm not a fan of Call of Duty either, but I give them credit for perfecting rail gunning and zombies. That said, people might not call out games by name. But I see comments all the time on here degrading the FPS genre as a whole. Absolutely you can have your gripes with a game or two such as MW. But I think is terribly arrogant to label FPSs and their players as the scum of the earth.

And yes, I was talking about the most recent release.  

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Thanks bro!

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:47

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I personally love First Person Shooters. I just happen to love RPGs a little more.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:47

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The only true innovative game of this genre, was Maze War.

All others just borrowed the concept, and tweaked certain aspects.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 01:50

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They are good for finger exercising I guess. I did play Doom a few times...um, that's about it. They mostly do all look the same to me. Just point virtual weapon at virtual something or other and pew pew pew.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 02:18

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bussinrounds wrote...

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Its nice that a picture can tell your opinion for you.
The truth is FPSes are a dime a dozen but there is innovations just because 3 shooters look similar thats hardly the entire genre.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 02:21

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No mention of System Shocks, Deus Ex, Wolfenstein 3d or Doom.

Boo.

Also, I feel like the problem of the FPS genre (or games in general) is not that they aren't innovative or w/e, it's the saturation. By definition, an innovative game is a rarity. There are definitely innovative FPS games, or Action games, it's just that the saturation level is becoming a bit overwhelming for people who aren't involved enough in the genre to spot the minute differences and nuances between each game.

So, for every Portal, or STALKER, there's a dozen FPS games that fit into various archetypes that don't add anything to the table. That's true for every genre, RPGs included (let's not forget the Diablo clone craze). It's just that right now, it feels like half the market is FPS and Action games. Comparatively speaking, the long dead Adventure genre, the dying traditional RPG genre, the diminishing RTS genre, the isolated Grand Strategy genre, even the relatively strong Sports genre are becoming buried under a market of Action games, Action Adventure games and Action FPS games.

It's not that FPS or Action genres don't have good and innovative games, they do. It's that the market is disproportionately full of them compared to other genres.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 23 novembre 2011 - 02:37 .

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 02:36

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When you say FPS the Portal series doesn't come to mind. Mainly because I think of FPS's usually as shooters which Portal clearly is not.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 03:12

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FPS not innovative? That could possibly be a lie.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 03:15

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Captain Filibuster wrote...

Gears of War: Mainly introduced the duck and cover system that Mass Effect copied.

First, why is this here? Second, no it didn't.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 03:49

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jreezy wrote...

Captain Filibuster wrote...

Gears of War: Mainly introduced the duck and cover system that Mass Effect copied.

First, why is this here? Second, no it didn't.


but it popularized it.

you can't deny that if GoW hadn't done it, ME and MANY MANY MANY others would not have done it.


as for the OP, i love FPSs(in fact, right alongside RPGs, they're my favorite genre)

but the problem, like mcrusty said, is saturation, and too little ideas are used, just the same formula Over and Over.

i just hope that in the new generation the popularity of Shooters dies down so that more innovative stuff can be made(since Military FPSs won't work anymore), kinda like the Adventure and JRPG(BAD EXAMPLE) popularity died down after the last generation.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 04:18

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csfteeeer wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Captain Filibuster wrote...

Gears of War: Mainly introduced the duck and cover system that Mass Effect copied.

First, why is this here? Second, no it didn't.


but it popularized it.

you can't deny that if GoW hadn't done it, ME and MANY MANY MANY others would not have done it.

Popularized yes. Introduced? No. Word choice is important in conversation. As for your second point, we have no way of knowing what the absence of Gears of War would've done to the cover shooter. Another company could very well have done what Epic did with Gears of War. Like I said though, we have no way of knowing.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 04:19

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People like to play soldier. I say let 'em. As far as the "innovation" thing goes, FPS games are point and click adventures, but they aren't all exactly the same. I for one have played an unholy amount of both the Halo and CoD franchises and I'll be the first to tell you that they are indeed different in not only art direction, but also mechanics. It's just like any other type of game really. Look at BF3. Compare that in terms of sense of scale to any FPS that came before it. I'd say that the sheer size of the battles is pretty innovative. And Prey 2 looks like it will do new things with the genre too. So it's just like any other game style. If the devs choose to "innovate" it's up to them, but the genre itself isn't unable to be made better.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 04:59

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Captain Filibuster wrote...


Modern Warefare: The folks at Infinity Ward have perfected rail shooting.
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I just feel the need to correct this.

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 05:05

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I think people on both sides are exaggerating the use of the word "innovate." People aren't asking for a ground-breaking new game to come out ever year that will change the face of FPS gaming forever - they're just asking for certain developers to shake things up a bit...

...y'know, instead of just releasing the exact same game every year with minor gameplay tweaks, new maps, and a different number at the end of its title.

Modifié par greengoron89, 23 novembre 2011 - 05:06 .

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Posté 23 novembre 2011 - 07:06

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Well I don't think an Fps has to be innovative to be good but I get what your getting at/what you mean. From the looks of it this new Bioware game looks a little generic but we know very little about it so we'll see.
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