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[HiroVoid]

What would be your ideal form of government in the galaxy, and how do you think it would be possible?  Retain the status quo, let new species join the council, human domination, other species domination, or a completely different type of government?  Discuss.

[Robhuzz]

Current status quo is just moronic with 3 races (4 after ME1) deciding everything that's going on in the galaxy with all the other races having to answer to them. I mean... Really? And the other races just go along with that? Wow...  Single species domination will never work since a single species does not have the military might to enforce their rule and I doubt the other species will simply go along with it.

I'd say create a joined council with representatives of every species willing to join, with the number of representatives for each race determined by their importance for maintaining the galactic economy and stability.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 23 novembre 2011 - 08:43 .

[John Renegade]

That really depends on the strength of individual species during the formation of said government. Also, all species have faults and there is really no possibility of a perfect society.

That said, I think that Shepard in ME2 sums it up the best - "if you want a problem solved, ask a human". Humans would make good leaders (at least better than the others would), because they don't lack anything really important (asari lack military strenght, turians can't do diplomacy well and need the volus to manage their own economy,...) and because they can adapt to a particular sutuation, whatever that situation may be, and use the best combination of their abilities to solve the problem (at least most of the time).

That doesn't mean that the others would be kept under the whip, unless it were absolutely necessary for humanity's survival. They would still have their particular abilities (turian army, salarian espionage,...) to serve the others in their own way. However only someone capable of seeing the big picture and having the ability to make the right choices on how to use all those abilities in accord should bear the heavy burden of leadership. Someone like humanity.

Well, you wanted my ideal vision. Here you have it.

Modifié par John Renegade, 23 novembre 2011 - 08:54 .

[SgtPepper667]

I think it's good to have species "prove themselves", as in their
resouces and talents prove useful enough. I believe Avina said this in
Mass Effect 1, but it would be unfair to add a lesser species (meaning,
they are not yet able to provide enough resources to benefit multiple
species) to the Council and expect them to preform the same as a more
dominant species. There isn't a government out there to please everyone,
and I think the Council is set up in a way that is fair for all
species. Having the smaller species as an embassy (that can bring the
concerns of their people to the Council) until they are ready to be
accepted into the Council is better than the lesser species having no
say at all. Now, this really doesn't work well unless you have the right people...er...representatives in power...haha.

[Barquiel]

Human domination would be the worst solution.

I'd keep the asari/turian/salarian/human council and add a rotating seat for the minor races (elcor, hanar,...).

Modifié par Barquiel, 23 novembre 2011 - 09:06 .

[Drone223]

Barquiel wrote...

Human domination would be the worst solution.

I'd keep the asari/turian/salarian/human council and add a rotating seat for the minor races (elcor, hanar,...).

 
^This the that council isn't perfect but its a lot better than an all human one (it looks like a coup to the other species) and they could take intrestent to the minor species a bit more often

[John Renegade]

Barquiel wrote...

Human domination would be the worst solution.

I'd keep the asari/turian/salarian/human council and add a rotating seat for the minor races (elcor, hanar,...).

I'm not saying that the other races (non-human) should be kept out of the loop, but why should they make important choices about the galaxy as a whole (that is to decide on matters of galactic importance), when they have only good knowledge about their particular specializations, unlike humans, who are good in all areas of expertise? (And are thinking outside the box. That they act quickly would also help.)

[Barquiel]

The "if you want a problem solved, ask a human" line is sheer nonsense ("ask Shepard" would be more accurate, the alliance constantly fails to solve its own problems). And humans are good diplomats? I haven't seen this yet...

[John Renegade]

Barquiel wrote...

The "if you want a problem solved, ask a human" line is sheer nonsense ("ask Shepard" would be more accurate, the alliance constantly fails to solve its own problems). And humans are good diplomats? I haven't seen this yet...

That you don't see it largely featured doesn't mean it's not true. The human council managed to hold it's position mainly thanks to brilliant diplomacy with minor species and Udina managed to clear a lot of mess after Shepard.

[Vade Katana]

Modifié par Vade Katana, 23 novembre 2011 - 09:57 .

[Xilizhra]

John Renegade wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The "if you want a problem solved, ask a human" line is sheer nonsense ("ask Shepard" would be more accurate, the alliance constantly fails to solve its own problems). And humans are good diplomats? I haven't seen this yet...

That you don't see it largely featured doesn't mean it's not true. The human council managed to hold it's position mainly thanks to brilliant diplomacy with minor species and Udina managed to clear a lot of mess after Shepard.

There was no human Council, humans were just the main power. And the diplomacy wasn't that brilliant; all it consisted of was buying volus support.

[CroGamer002]

Abolish it.

[John Renegade]

The human (or human- dominated) council has managed to survive for two years. Yes, with all those butthurt major races, I would call that a success.

[Xilizhra]

John Renegade wrote...

The human (or human- dominated) council has managed to survive for two years. Yes, with all those butthurt major races, I would call that a success.

They hate the idea of war too much to actively move against it; the ethos still survives. They are not, however, just lying down, with the asari apparently supporting the turian arms buildup.

[John Renegade]

The diplomacy part was more about the Council even having some say in the galactic matters. The other races listen to it. If they wouldn't, it would not be the Council anymore.

The other races may not like humans, but they go along with their leadership.

Modifié par John Renegade, 23 novembre 2011 - 10:11 .

[Xilizhra]

John Renegade wrote...

The diplomacy part was more about the Council even having some say in the galactic matters. The other races listen to it. If they wouldn't, it would not be the Council anymore.

It has too much of a preexisting power structure to get rid of everything, and to do so would cause chaos. Getting rid of the human upstarts directly right now isn't worth it.

[John Renegade]

Xilizhra wrote...

It has too much of a preexisting power structure to get rid of everything, and to do so would cause chaos. Getting rid of the human upstarts directly right now isn't worth it.

Just like it wasn't for the other species since salarians and asari formed their little pact.

It wasn't hard to create an alliance, when only two species were present, plus they took the Citadel for themselves and fortified it.

Modifié par John Renegade, 23 novembre 2011 - 10:13 .

[Xilizhra]

John Renegade wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It has too much of a preexisting power structure to get rid of everything, and to do so would cause chaos. Getting rid of the human upstarts directly right now isn't worth it.

Just like it wasn't for the other species since salarians and asari formed their little pact.

If you wish.

Lucky I am that this entire theoretical exercise will never have a basis for existing in my game.

[DiebytheSword]

I think the balance of those old structures will change in ME3. With the reapers destroying everything and Shepard trying to unite a whole galaxy against a common foe, I think there will be change for the better, what that change constitutes will be up to the characters within Mass Effect.

Shepard will, of course, lend a guiding hand.

I think this will leave the ME universe a blank slate for Bioware to use for later games in that universe.

[General User]

In my opinion, if you want to decide how best to organize/reform or the Council/galactic "government" you first have to decide what you want the Council/galactic "government" to BE. After all, a super governmental entity is going to be fundamentally different in alot of way from a free association of independent nations/states is going to be alot different from an empire.

 IMO, "the Citadel Council" should be an association independent nations/empires, it's main function should be to provide a framework within which the member-states can work out their differences peacefully, ad cooperate on mutually advantageous ventures. It should NOT exist to impose the arbitrary, self-serving edicts of a ruling racial elite the way it currently does.

To that end, the top two reforms I would make would be first: the Council needs to be issued a charter, a document that clearly outlines how it is organized and what its role is, as well as what matters they may or may not become involved in.

And second, and I can't emphasize this enough, representation should be by nation/planet/empire, NOT BY RACE/SPECIES.

Modifié par General User, 24 novembre 2011 - 12:30 .