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[AlexXIV]

It was overhyped. Whether more or less than others I can't say because I don't know enough games and their hype. Skyrim however wasn't really overhyped. It was supposed to be great and it is. Witcher 2 was overhyped too.

[FaWa]

This title will quickly belong to TOR

[HiroVoid]

I doubt it. I've really liked TOR so far, and I find it allows me to characterize my characters very well. Still, it'll definitely have people who dislike it, and others who love it.

[Bryy_Miller]

Arius23 wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

I am trying to figure out the criteria for being overhyped. The only items mentioned are dumbed down game play and repetitive environments. The second one I can agree with. The first one is open to debate. I would like to see how it was decided.

Overhyped means the game had a lot of fans expecting an incredible game but then the game failed to meet those expectations.

And DA2 was very disliked from day one. It was the opposite of Fan Hype.

As for marketing? It wasn't marketing heavily at all. Nothing out of the norm, at least. 

So no. I don't think it was overhyped. 

[Lynata]

Realmzmaster wrote...
Did Bioware overhype with the marketing or were fans expectations high?

I didn't see all that much of DA2 in terms of marketing. Certainly there weren't as many trailers around this time. Maybe this only reinforces the perception that it was a quick money grab, at least compared to the amount of work that went into DA:O.
The players, however? Wow.

Realmzmaster wrote...
I remember gamers were upset with DAO because it was not the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate as Bioware claimed.

I think this group is infinitely smaller than the number of fans who were discontent with DA2. At least I have never read that many people criticize DA:O on anything; it was a big success from the very moment it came out, and more importantly, it stayed that way.

FaWa wrote...
This title will quickly belong to TOR

I would think so as well - at least as far as, again, fan expectations are concerned. This isn't even Bioware's or EA's fault, it's just that people are again hyping it up to be the next WoW killer that will do everything so much better. Exactly like it was already claimed for Warhammer, Age of Conan, Aion, ...

In terms of game mechanics, TOR is WoW in space, and it will not take people more than a few months to notice that. The irony being that games like these are made that way because the majority of people still has fun and buys it. The point of contention is that almost every single MMO these days is made to pander to the smallest common denominator (and messing up its franchise's continuity in the process), which makes every game feel more or less the same. Niche games that are more complex are more fun to those who play them, but the number of players isn't as big, which makes them unattractive for the industry at large - as the industry tends to prefer competing for the #1 instead of going for something smaller, even if this might mean a more stable customer base of players who cannot find what they were looking for anywhere else. Even SWG still had a consistent playerbase, and I don't think forcing a shutdown on this game will have these people switch to TOR for long, as the latter won't be able to deliver a comparable experience (in terms of freedom of choice and customization it is pretty much the exact opposite, intentionally not being a sandbox MMO).

TOR might actually have some more survivability than most other contemporary MMOs due to its focus on storytelling, as many people will want to at least "finish" their character's story. Yet, what comes after that may not differ much from what has happened to other MMOs. But we shall see.

Modifié par Lynata, 24 novembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[Brockololly]

Yeah, it was overhyped in the sense that the marketing was absolutely terrible- at most they did their best to **** all over Origins and when they weren't doing that they were often making straight up fabrications about the game. Its inevitable people will have high expectations to a sequel from something like Origins, but the way in which BioWare bungled setting people's expectations for what DA2 was actually doing is what led to people getting pissed once the game was out.

Definitely my most disappointing game of the year and one video game purchase I regret this year.

Modifié par Brockololly, 24 novembre 2011 - 02:24 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

I agree with Brock. Well said. Although, it was good enough for me to play it several times, it was disappointing for the reasons Brock mentioned.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 24 novembre 2011 - 02:28 .

[maxernst]

I'm not sure it was reallyI that overhyped. Underwhelming compared with its predecessor, yes, but it didn't seem to me as though it got as much build-up as games like Skyrim, The Witcher 2, and Deus Ex: Human Revolution, though I'll grant it got more of a publicity push than Might & Magic Heroes VI (What? It came out?).

[schalafi]

Overhyped, maybe, but I usually don't pay attention to 90% of the pre-game advertising. I liked both games for different reasons, and I never compared either of them to Balder's Gate.

As for Skyrim, I've seen a lot of pros and cons about that game. From what I hear there's a lot of people who are *very* disappointed with the game, and others who just love the large expanses and the free ranging.

I don't think any game ever developed had a 100% approval rating from fans, at least I've never heard of one.

[Il Divo]

addiction21 wrote...

So DAO was not filled with "FedEx" quests? THe core plot was a giant FedEx quest....

Pointless melodrama? Like Ogrhen and his girls? Sten and finding that sword? Morrigan and her mommy issues?

Now I am really confused about which game you are talking about. A war that no one really gives a **** about? Would that be the war with the darkspawn that not even Loghain cares about? The war that none of the treaty members care about UNTILL you fix the drama going on in their own little worlds?

I'm going to go with this. I will give Dragon Age: Origins a bit of credit here since, in terms of story-telling, the author does make certain the audience knows where things are going (Gather an army, which leads to landsmeet, then fight the Archdemon). Dragon Age II's story-telling is less clear, since there isn't the clearest connection between Mages/Templars and Qunari/Kirkwall.
 
But aside from that clarity, there was very little intriguing about Origin's storylines, especially compared to DA2, and ultimately I was far more interested in my companion characters, since the war with the Darkspawn is fairly one note, with few interesting developments.

[Asch Lavigne]

I like Skyrim and the new Zelda. I would say that DA2 was overhyped by the fans, not the media. I was looking forward to DA2 but wouldn't say I was excited. There wasn't much out at the beginning of the year that I was interested in anyway.

[Atakuma]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, it was overhyped in the sense that the marketing was absolutely terrible- at most they did their best to **** all over Origins and when they weren't doing that they were often making straight up fabrications about the game. Its inevitable people will have high expectations to a sequel from something like Origins, but the way in which BioWare bungled setting people's expectations for what DA2 was actually doing is what led to people getting pissed once the game was out.

Definitely my most disappointing game of the year and one video game purchase I regret this year.

What a load of bull. Nobody "****" alll over Origins, that's just vitriolic hyperbole and They didn't fabricate anything. All the information that was needed to make an informed decision was there, so no one has anyone to blame but themselves.

[alex90c]

Atakuma wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, it was overhyped in the sense that the marketing was absolutely terrible- at most they did their best to **** all over Origins and when they weren't doing that they were often making straight up fabrications about the game. Its inevitable people will have high expectations to a sequel from something like Origins, but the way in which BioWare bungled setting people's expectations for what DA2 was actually doing is what led to people getting pissed once the game was out.

Definitely my most disappointing game of the year and one video game purchase I regret this year.

What a load of bull. Nobody "****" alll over Origins, that's just vitriolic hyperbole and They didn't fabricate anything. All the information that was needed to make an informed decision was there, so no one has anyone to blame but themselves.

What would you consider Silverman's slating of the Brecilian Forest and Deep Roads in DA:O to be then? He basically said it was a bad thing that they looked different, and that of course, in the incredible DA2 Bioware wanted to "fix" this.

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In regards to the OP, I don't think DA2 lived up to the hype. After I'd completed Origins for the first time (2 months before DA2 came out actually) I was left buzzing for more DA content since I was just that much in awe, and then DA2 came along andj ust ...

...well. I didn't hate it by the time I'd finished it, and I remember actually telling myself near the end to enjoy the game as much as possible now, because it won't be the same after my first playthrough, and my God it wasn't. The love to the franchise DA:O gave me kind of blinded me to the flaws in DA2, and once I was able to see through to those, then well I truly just began to hate the game to the point that I actually decided to try Mass Effect which had just been lying on my shelf after only playing it briefly in the past, and well now I've gone from gushing over DA to gushing over ME, and I wouldn't be too disappointed at the way it's going if the DA franchise was just cancelled.

[Miashi]

FaWa wrote...

This title will quickly belong to TOR

I thought DA2 was terrible, but TOR is where one should put their money in. It has about everything DA2 had not.

[Realmzmaster]

Lynata wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...
I remember gamers were upset with DAO because it was not the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate as Bioware claimed.

I think this group is infinitely smaller than the number of fans who were discontent with DA2. At least I have never read that many people criticize DA:O on anything; it was a big success from the very moment it came out, and more importantly, it stayed that way.

Not as small as you may think. I've been on these boards in one form or another before BG came out. The cry of foul that DAO was not BG3 was loud. After 5 on and off years of development expectations were high. The word was from Bioware that DAO would be the spiritual successor to BG. Unfortunately that is open to interpretation. The fan base ran with it.

I think DAO is an excellent game, but it is not BG3 (not set in the Forgotten Realms). DAO could not be because Bioware did not get a license from WotC (Hasbro),  and decided to go with their own IP.

I realized early on that DA2 would be a departure from DAO. I ascertained that from reading the posts and the information coming from Bioware on the forums. Also given the change in lead designers the vision was going to be different. Each lead designer wants to put his/her own stamp (vision) on a product.

I never believe marketing hype. The purpose of marketing is to make people aware of (catch the eye) and sell the product. DA2's  marketing was much less than other big games. Gamers got caught up with the Awesome button.

DA2 came out people's expectations were not met. Many want DAO2, countination of the Warden's tale and closure on certain dlc. The point is that Bioware upfront said that Dragon Age was not about one protaganist. DA is about the world of Thedas. Fans may want it otherwise, but that is not the vision of the writers (David in particular based on his posts).

Many gamers say DA2 is a quick money grab and that Bioware is not creating art. If creating art means the fans telling the writers what stories to write then that is not creating art that would be a money grab.

If gamers are saying create your art within thses parameters that is not creating art. Creating art means giving the gamers something they did not think they needed like Bioware did with DAO. DA2 maybe a failed experiment, but Bioware tried something different and did not give gamers the same old contrived plots and stories. Da2 lacked in execution.

Overhyped no. Not reaching expectations. Yes.

[Atakuma]

alex90c wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, it was overhyped in the sense that the marketing was absolutely terrible- at most they did their best to **** all over Origins and when they weren't doing that they were often making straight up fabrications about the game. Its inevitable people will have high expectations to a sequel from something like Origins, but the way in which BioWare bungled setting people's expectations for what DA2 was actually doing is what led to people getting pissed once the game was out.

Definitely my most disappointing game of the year and one video game purchase I regret this year.

What a load of bull. Nobody "****" alll over Origins, that's just vitriolic hyperbole and They didn't fabricate anything. All the information that was needed to make an informed decision was there, so no one has anyone to blame but themselves.

What would you consider Silverman's slating of the Brecilian Forest and Deep Roads in DA:O to be then? He basically said it was a bad thing that they looked different, and that of course, in the incredible DA2 Bioware wanted to "fix" this.

It's a silly comment that doesn't make much sense. If you seriously consider that silverman crapping on Origins, then I don't think you can take any criticism of origins by Bioware as anything other than them trashing it.

[Realmzmaster]

Actually parts of Brecilian Forest and Deep Roads looked bad, because of the 5 year development certain parts were done before others. Bioware made a business decision not to redo those parts. You could clearly see that certain parts did not mesh well with other parts. It did not have an overall negative effect on the game, but it was there. Even the fans commented on it.

Everything that Bioware says negative about Origins is not false or crapping on their creation. Why would Bioware do that when it released the DAO Ultimate Edition?

[TheRealJayDee]

alex90c wrote...
The love to the franchise DA:O gave me kind of blinded me to the flaws in DA2, and once I was able to see through to those, then well I truly just began to hate the game to the point that I actually decided to try Mass Effect which had just been lying on my shelf after only playing it briefly in the past, and well now I've gone from gushing over DA to gushing over ME, and I wouldn't be too disappointed at the way it's going if the DA franchise was just cancelled.

That's more or less exactly what happened to me. I was totally in love with DA:O, and I played it from the release. I actually won a copy of the ME2 CE in a DA:O competition and bought ME for the complete experience. I just couldn't really get into it and found myself playing more DA:O instead. Then came DA2, and after I finished it for the second time I was through with Dragon Age for the moment. Now I have replayed both ME games quite often, and all BioWare related interest is focussed on ME3. I haven't lost interest in the Dragon Age franchise completely, but it is not even remotely as big as it was coming from DA:O.

As to DA2 being "overhyped", I can't really say. I was extremely hyped for a new Dragon Age game, and although most of the news we got prior to release should have warned me about the game's direction I wanted to love the game as much as I loved DA:O. All my DA playing friends were way more sceptic, and I am to this day the only one of us who bought and played DA2.

[LilyasAvalon]

For me? Definately belongs in that catergory. Don't mind a game when it's overhyped and delievers, REALLY pissed off when it's overhyped and barely gets past my 'decent game' radar.

[HiroVoid]

I consider it overhyped when after playing it, every time I hear advertising for a new Bioware game, I go the Fable route, and expect it to only be about half as good as what they're saying it is.

[Melca36]

Brockololly wrote...

Yeah, it was overhyped in the sense that the marketing was absolutely terrible- at most they did their best to **** all over Origins and when they weren't doing that they were often making straight up fabrications about the game. Its inevitable people will have high expectations to a sequel from something like Origins, but the way in which BioWare bungled setting people's expectations for what DA2 was actually doing is what led to people getting pissed once the game was out.

Definitely my most disappointing game of the year and one video game purchase I regret this year.

When DA:3 comes out....thats when they will really bash DA:2.

I didn't hate DA:2.... I give it around a 7....and the DLC was vastly better than the game but as a gamer/consumer I don't like gaming companies thinking I am gullibe and will accept any sort of stream lined gameplay.

[Atakuma]

The title would either go to Deus Ex or Skyrim.

[xCirdanx]

Plaintiff wrote...
Going back to Origins after DA2 is almost physically painful.

I went back to Origins after 2 playthrus on DA2. While it´s true that the fade and deep roads take much time, i would pick Origins over DA2 anytime, always. After my Origins game i went back to DA2 and hated it even more. I have no intention to ever play DA2 again.

So far, i would agree with them that DA2 was one of the most overhyped games.