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[Realmzmaster]

Melca36 wrote...

jbrand2002uk wrote...

For me DAO was boring dreary and repetitive on the 1st and only playthrough i did of it, the cliched story was bad enough but what killed it for me was that the combat was just plain awful. TBH i found KOTOR II from years ago way more fun to RP. I would rather spend £50 on a game that tries to do something different story wise over spending £50 on yet another game with the same be the hero save the world storyline.

So to answer the OP was DA2 overhyped by BW no though it was overhyped by the DAO fanbase hence their disappointment IMO DAO was and still is overhyped by many its not a bad game but its nowhere near gods gift to RPG's that many still claim it is.

my 2 most disappointing title of this decade would be duke nukem after a 12 year dev cycle followed by DAO because after 3+ years in development they should have done better than a generic RPG with genric storyline and generic = boring

Why do you always bash Origins. Do you realize how many awards it one when it came on? Do you realize it sold MORE than DA:2.

DA:2 was a good game but it could have been better had IT NOT BEEN RUSHED.   The DLC for DA:2 has been excellent because it was NOT rushed.

You need to stop trolling with your Origins hate. The fact remains it sold better than DA: 2

The developers already said they were going going to combine elements from Origins and what worked in DA:2 for the next game. I suspect you will be the first one to complain.

You will note that he started his post with for me. That means in his opinion. You do not have to agree with it. It also does not matter to him how many awards a game wins if he did not like it. He has as much right to bash DAO as others have to bash DA2. If the agrument is back up by reasons for the disapproval.

You do not have to agree with those reasons.  Oblivion also won numerous awards. I did not like it and I have my reasons for that opinion. So saying how much something sold or how many awards it has won means very little to a particular individual.

As far as individual opinion is concerned it does not matter if 100000 gamers like the game. The only opinion that matters to the individual is his/her own opinion.

I happen to like both DAO and DA2.

DAO's plot was typical high fantasy stuff (kill the big bad baddie) as oppose to something like PST (Planescape Torment) or Ultima IV. Both of these games did not fit that mold.

In the end it is his opinion. YMMV.

[MagmaSaiyan]

Celestina wrote...

More like the most overhyped game of the year. Bioware, I am disappoint.

Your Rise to Power begins now. Watch as Kirkwall shapes before your decisions.

Kirkwall hardly reacts to Hawke's decisions. A certain companion will have a lasting impact for centuries within Thedas, while I feel Hawke is barely noteworthy.

well if you truly thought this game was going to be amazing based on this sentence alone, then i dont know what to tell ya

[Il Divo]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

Celestina wrote...

More like the most overhyped game of the year. Bioware, I am disappoint.

Your Rise to Power begins now. Watch as Kirkwall shapes before your decisions.

Kirkwall hardly reacts to Hawke's decisions. A certain companion will have a lasting impact for centuries within Thedas, while I feel Hawke is barely noteworthy.

well if you truly thought this game was going to be amazing based on this sentence alone, then i dont know what to tell ya

I have to agree with this. The statement really seems intended for marketing hype. It would be like if I bought an fps and the back of the box had "engaging shooter gameplay" written across the back. If I don't consider the gameplay engaging, can I really claim that as being overhyped?

Modifié par Il Divo, 25 novembre 2011 - 04:58 .

[TEWR]

Celestina wrote...

More like the most overhyped game of the year. Bioware, I am disappoint.

Your Rise to Power begins now. Watch as Kirkwall shapes before your decisions.

Kirkwall hardly reacts to Hawke's decisions. A certain companion will have a lasting impact for centuries within Thedas, while I feel Hawke is barely noteworthy.

That's precisely one of the biggest problems with DAII. Frankly, there are ways that companion could've done what he did that wouldn't have reflected poorly on Hawke.

at least in my mind.

[TEWR]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

Celestina wrote...

More like the most overhyped game of the year. Bioware, I am disappoint.

Your Rise to Power begins now. Watch as Kirkwall shapes before your decisions.

Kirkwall hardly reacts to Hawke's decisions. A certain companion will have a lasting impact for centuries within Thedas, while I feel Hawke is barely noteworthy.

well if you truly thought this game was going to be amazing based on this sentence alone, then i dont know what to tell ya

That sentence alone conveys that the choices in the RPG would matter in profound ways, and thus leads the soon-to-be-player to believe that the game will be amazing.

But the actual game has each choice get railroaded into the same outcome, and this makes a person feel that they were cheated.

[Brockololly]

Filament wrote...
The opinion I'm tending toward about BioWare's PR is that they simply don't "have their fingers on the pulse." The things they think will resonate with their audience, don't. And there's a hint of... arrogance about it. Presumption. I may be going off into left field now.

Oh, I'd agree with that. BioWare's marketing is largely clueless as to what the audience wants and/or expects out of their games. Then again, it seems they simply target some mythical mainstream market which only exists in focus tests and marketing demographics. They're seemingly targeting an audience that doesn't exist by presenting their games in ways which aren't accurately representing what the games are actually all about. Whether that was Origins' Marilyn Manson hack and slash stuff or even DA2 with the whole button/awesome crap.

I get that its hard to maket an RPG and everything going on in them, but maybe they should take a step back and look at how Bethesda markets their games.

And its ironic you mention BioWare not having their fingers on "the pulse", considering they name their little marketing show by the same moniker.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
That sentence alone conveys that the choices in the RPG would matter in  profound ways, and thus leads the soon-to-be-player to believe that the  game will be amazing.

But the actual game has each choice get railroaded into the same outcome, and this makes a person feel that they were cheated.

And even just in one of the developer diaries, I think Laidlaw made some big point how he thought DA2 was the most reactive game BioWare had ever done.  When its one of the least reactive games they've done.

Modifié par Brockololly, 25 novembre 2011 - 05:06 .

[Kail Ashton]

Duke Nuke'm Forever wins that award

[Melca36]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Duke Nuke'm Forever wins that award

I've seen Duke Nukem Forever sell for $12.99 in some places.

[Melca36]

Brockololly wrote...

Filament wrote...
The opinion I'm tending toward about BioWare's PR is that they simply don't "have their fingers on the pulse." The things they think will resonate with their audience, don't. And there's a hint of... arrogance about it. Presumption. I may be going off into left field now.

Oh, I'd agree with that. BioWare's marketing is largely clueless as to what the audience wants and/or expects out of their games. Then again, it seems they simply target some mythical mainstream market which only exists in focus tests and marketing demographics. They're seemingly targeting an audience that doesn't exist by presenting their games in ways which aren't accurately representing what the games are actually all about. Whether that was Origins' Marilyn Manson hack and slash stuff or even DA2 with the whole button/awesome crap.

I get that its hard to maket an RPG and everything going on in them, but maybe they should take a step back and look at how Bethesda markets their games.

And its ironic you mention BioWare not having their fingers on "the pulse", considering they name their little marketing show by the same moniker.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
That sentence alone conveys that the choices in the RPG would matter in  profound ways, and thus leads the soon-to-be-player to believe that the  game will be amazing.

But the actual game has each choice get railroaded into the same outcome, and this makes a person feel that they were cheated.

And even just in one of the developer diaries, I think Laidlaw made some big point how he thought DA2 was the most reactive game BioWare had ever done.  When its one of the least reactive games they've done.

About Marketing.............I've seen the Skyrim commercials. They work.

I saw the Dragon Age 2 commercial twice...way less than Origins back when it came out. I think they assumed the same amount of people would automatically purchase it.

[ImoenBaby]

I think some reviewers greatly overhyped the game. While I didn't particularly respect them before, I'll certainly never consider their critiques in the future.

Some also flipped out and thought it was the worst thing since unsliced bread. Those reviews are also useless.

As for me, I was disappointed. A 6 from Bioware would've been inconceivable to me until this game. But I'm still glad I bought the game, and I'll continue to look forward to Bioware's games in the future. Just a little more warily now.

[SkittlesKat96]

Brink and DNF were more overhyped and disappointed even more people.

DA 2 was overhyped a little bit but it wasn't as big a disappointment as Brink and DNF was (Brink and DNF disappointed a much larger amount of people, not to say DA 2 wasn't disappointing but you get what I mean.)

Its still no where near the most overhyped...even DXHR was overhyped and had so much stuff released about it a bit but it ended up being a good game but not the amazing game some people though it would be.

So yeah...tl;dr is DA 2 was a bit disappointing and slightly overhyped but its definitely not the most overhyped of the year for sure

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 25 novembre 2011 - 08:58 .

[Firky]

Good reviews aren't hype, IMO. They're informative.

[Lord Gremlin]

Well, I definitely enjoyed Duke Nukem Forever more than DA2. But truth be told, DNF was more overhyped. 12 years in development. And DA2 - 1 year in development and hype was due to it being "Dragon Age", and DAO was exceptionally good.
Interestingly, I've replayed DNF 3 times and never replayed DA2.

[Nyreen]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

Celestina wrote...

More like the most overhyped game of the year. Bioware, I am disappoint.

Your Rise to Power begins now. Watch as Kirkwall shapes before your decisions.

Kirkwall hardly reacts to Hawke's decisions. A certain companion will have a lasting impact for centuries within Thedas, while I feel Hawke is barely noteworthy.

well if you truly thought this game was going to be amazing based on this sentence alone, then i dont know what to tell ya

I'd have to be utterly dim to get excited and take that slogan at face value. I never assume a game is going to be amazing, with one exception - which was deeply satisfying. *cough*Skyrim*cough*. What that statement did lead me to believe was that a singular, narrowed origin story would allow for more branching decisions. Instead, I got a plot railroad and a static city.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Celestina wrote...

More like the most overhyped game of the year. Bioware, I am disappoint.

Your Rise to Power begins now. Watch as Kirkwall shapes before your decisions.

Kirkwall hardly reacts to Hawke's decisions. A certain companion will have a lasting impact for centuries within Thedas, while I feel Hawke is barely noteworthy.

That's precisely one of the biggest problems with DAII. Frankly, there are ways that companion could've done what he did that wouldn't have reflected poorly on Hawke.

at least in my mind.

Well, if you refuse to help him, Hawke can't take any of the blame. And even if you do help him, unaware of the outcome, I fell as though the responsibility still rests almost entirely on his shoulders.

At first I was outraged and upset, but looking back I realized someone had to set the stage for change, cost regardless. My Hawke still would have helped him.

On a related note, I think the Chantry should be seeking that companion, not Hawke. Removing and punishing a movement's figurehead is a good way to demoralize them.

Well, a suppose in a way they are, considering he ran off with her into the sunset...

Modifié par Celestina, 25 novembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[Ramus Quaritch]

Compared to what DAO was, it was the biggest disappointment of 2011 for me.

[csfteeeer]

Kail Ashton wrote...

Duke Nuke'm Forever wins that award

Anyone who expected DNF to be Good, is a Fool.

[bEVEsthda]

Il Divo wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...

generic : Relating to or descriptive of an entire group or class.

Wow, there's a whole group of games like DA:O? Really? That is certainly good news. Now, you only have to point me towards them. Ten is enough for a first list. Should keep me happy a long time.
Well, ? Tell me!

And what about DA:O's storyline (or gameplay) sets it apart from any other sword n sorcery RPG? The entire point about something being generic deals with its ability to set itself apart, in effect to defy classification. It's a tactical party-based RPG featuring a one-note villain (the Darkspawn), a plotline that is put on hold after Ostagar, and features typical portrayals of Dwarves, Elves, and even Humans. Its advertisement as the "spiritual successor" to Baldur's Gate is itself an indicator that it was not intended to be something new and creative, but to harken back to Bioware's DnD/Baldur's Gate days.

His use of KotOR 2 as a counter-example is a great demonstration of all of DA:O's flaws, story-wise. "Save the world" is about as cliche as an RPG plotline can get, which Origins falls right into. Comparatively speaking, KotOR 2 is about as far from saving the world as a plot-line can get.

...Whatever...

- Now,  Quick!  The list of generic games that are just like DA:O! The list! The list?

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 26 novembre 2011 - 12:52 .

[philippe willaume]

Hello
For crying out loud, again it is the old evil DA:O worshiping-crew that just despoiled a very promising game.
Wait a minute, no it is the hordes of brainless slightly drawling console-player that caused the franchise to fall in decrepitude.
We have been through that gazillion of times.

Hype is just expectations that are no meet. No more no less. By definition it is purely subjective.
Anyone in one’s right mind had to agree that yes DA:0 story is about saving the world and is pretty much by the very standard of the genre and that DA:2 is a nice take on a RPG story.
Just as one can not fail to recognise that for all its is the decisions you take in DA:0 influence the outcome much more than in DA:2.
And despite me be willing, Hawke could not sacrifice himself or sleep with the Artichoke to prevent Anders going Italian-Job on the old chantry, Could not even tell him. “You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!”

Phil
PS For those who can’t play DA:0 or DA2 no more as it is terrible strain on their body and mind.
Let me indulge in a parabola that comes from 30 years of martial arts experience.
Well when HEMA students ask me how they can prevent someone hitting them on the hands.
My answer is always Don’t get in a position where you are going get hit on the hands.

[Realmzmaster]

I decided to go back and look at the whole list again and read the comments. The comments (happens when I get bored at work) section for DA2 was about as divided as here on the forum. Some gamers loved it and did not think it was overhyped. Some gamers did not like it and thought it was overhyped. Some thought it was an average game and not overhyped compared to the other games on the list.

The list I can only assume is one person or groups of persons opinion. Nowhere is it described the criteria for being on or off the list. Any list is subjective because it is one person's or group's opinion. The question I always ask is what was the criteria for creating the list. For example the criteria for the top 100 movies of all times is clearly stated. You may not agree with it, but it is there for everyone to read and see how the list was derived.

If you say the list was created by sampling a group of gamers then state that. If it is one person's or group's opinion then state that. The only thing it does say in the introduction is that it does not live up to our lofty expectations. The question is who is the our?

[Riknas]

Overhyped? Hardly. We saw a few Developer Diaries, and some attempts at viral marketing with Facebook and twitter. Disappointing? Maybe (I enjoyed it, at least), but overhyped? Not really.

That award goes to The Witcher 2 (Although I enjoyed that as well).

Modifié par Riknas, 26 novembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Big I]

Was it overhyped? No. The devs never came out and said "this will be the greates game ever!!!" or something similar. They were very clear in their desire to merely make a good game that was set in Thedas.


That said, DA2 was not the game that I expected it tt be based on marketing, dev interviews, or comparison to DA:O.

[Everwarden]

caradoc2000 wrote...

By far the most overhyped games this year were BF3 and Skyrim.

Skyrim was underhyped. It's better than that walking pez dispenser of hype Todd Howard claimed, and that is a monumental feat of game development. Far and away the best game in the Elder Scrolls series, and my pick for greatest game of all time. 

...yeah, I love Skyrim. <3