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[Bullets McDeath]

Why is there a question mark at the end of this topic title?

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Modifié par outlaworacle, 26 novembre 2011 - 02:35 .

[Shadowlit_Rogue]

The marketing campaign tried to sell me on an "Awesome Button." If it wasn't overhyped, they were definitely trying to reach that point.

[Goldrock]

da2 i found it an awesome game loved the story i loved everything yeah it didnt play anything like dao but i knew that before i bought it.

[Bryy_Miller]

Shadowlit_Rogue wrote...

The marketing campaign tried to sell me on an "Awesome Button." If it wasn't overhyped, they were definitely trying to reach that point.

That wasn't as much a case as "overhyped" as it was oversold.

EDIT: Anyone else find it hypocritical that some people want to be included in the creation proccess of the next game, but also call any kind of criticism towards the last game "trashing it"?

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 26 novembre 2011 - 11:14 .

[bEVEsthda]

Everwarden wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

By far the most overhyped games this year were BF3 and Skyrim.

Skyrim was underhyped. It's better than that walking pez dispenser of hype Todd Howard claimed, and that is a monumental feat of game development. Far and away the best game in the Elder Scrolls series, and my pick for greatest game of all time. 

...yeah, I love Skyrim. <3

Absolutely!

But Todd Howard is not a "walking pez dispenser of hype". If he ever was, it must have been around Oblivion.
He never lost track of what he wants in the games. Even though he has to make tremendous sacrifices to cram such jewels into anemic consoles, he manages to have the simplifications done in a way (like low polygon count, simple crafting systems, simple npc interaction) that the game still retains its soul of realism, freedom, interactivity and responsibility.

Yea, Skyrim is far better  than I expected it to be. Thus underhyped. Even after FO3 which was also much better than I expected.  (and after TW2 as well, even if from a different developer)

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 26 novembre 2011 - 12:06 .

[bEVEsthda]

As for DA2, I'm not sure it was overhyped.

I certainly expected a different game, but I don't think the "hype" put me up for that. Rather, I sort of expected the "hype" to be more *inaccurate*. After DA:O and the EA-marketing that preceded that game, I had no reason to expect anything as retarded as DA2.


It's so tragic really, that EA's moronic '30-seconds to Mars' commercial for DA:O was made to serve as the direction for developing DA2. EA's marketing department really do believe in their own idiotic, stereotypical cliche of what a gamer is like. Pity.

P.S. That said, I do think that many ideas Mike or the team had for DA2 were essentially sound. It was right to try to make combat seem more fluid and responsive for instance. It was even right to make the game longer by reusing environments. As bashed as that has been, I can still see that it was the right decision to make in that situation. It's still the first decision, to have the artists wasting time on restyling things, and thus put you into that situation, which is the poor decision. That is convoluted by the new style also being horrible. It's also very much similar to almost all other fantasy-RPG, especially eastern. Ironically, it's DA2 that is GENERIC. Super-generic even. Something that gives the impression of a mishmash of direct copying, even if it's not.

Modifié par bEVEsthda, 26 novembre 2011 - 12:44 .

[Tuleron]

dreadpiratesnugglecakes wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

For what it's worth, I think DAII's story is light years ahead of DA:Os...but the mechanics ARE way worse, that's true.

You're out of your mind.  DAO's story may have been typical 'end of the world' type story but it was interesting and engaging.  DA2 was a bunch of fedex quests and pointless melodrama with family and followers tied loosely to a war between two factions that nobody actually wants to give a sh*t about because they both suck so hard.

The story it's awesome men, but it's not reflected on the game, that's the problem.
It's not always beeing a peasant who finish beeing the savior of the world from the doom, they put a guy triying to survive with his family from the chaos in a dangerous city, they put some politicals issues and beliefs, wars between countries, etc. So bad that the city it's only a bunch of peoples instead of a million, like the story of Kirkwall say, or when you stop the invasion from the Qunari you kill 30 guys and retarded boss that in Nightmare he's a little s***.

Overhyped the game? Yes, i'm one of them, cause after DAO i saw a potential game like olders (BG, BG2, IWG) and when i played it and finish it, it was sad to see how they lose a buch of things that were amazing in DAO.

Modifié par Tuleron, 26 novembre 2011 - 02:36 .

[Nerevar-as]

The way I see it, the writers believed this is the story of a great epic figure. It´s not just the marketing about how awesome Hawke was supposed to be, both encounters with Flemeth tell us Hawke will shape the world. And then it turns out s/he can barely get out alive, fails to protect his/her family, and big events unfold regardless of Hawke´s existance.There´s no Fridge Brilliance there to me.

[Tuleron]

Il Divo wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

So DAO was not filled with "FedEx" quests? THe core plot was a giant FedEx quest....

Pointless melodrama? Like Ogrhen and his girls? Sten and finding that sword? Morrigan and her mommy issues?

Now I am really confused about which game you are talking about. A war that no one really gives a **** about? Would that be the war with the darkspawn that not even Loghain cares about? The war that none of the treaty members care about UNTILL you fix the drama going on in their own little worlds?

I'm going to go with this. I will give Dragon Age: Origins a bit of credit here since, in terms of story-telling, the author does make certain the audience knows where things are going (Gather an army, which leads to landsmeet, then fight the Archdemon). Dragon Age II's story-telling is less clear, since there isn't the clearest connection between Mages/Templars and Qunari/Kirkwall.
 
But aside from that clarity, there was very little intriguing about Origin's storylines, especially compared to DA2, and ultimately I was far more interested in my companion characters, since the war with the Darkspawn is fairly one note, with few interesting developments.

But it's different, way too different, in DAO killing the AD was the primary quest, thats why they told you what you need to do, in DA2 they're 3 acts and in each act they told you what you must do, what did you expect? Beeing in act1 and know that the Qunari will invade the city? That's why the story of DA2 is good, because they're 3 different acts that each one has it issues, but they're are conected and togheter they form a huge story.

[Il Divo]

Tuleron wrote...

they're 3 acts and in each act they told you what you must do, what did you expect?

Coherent story-telling. If someone asked me what Planescape is about, I'd tell them it's the story of a man searching for his  identity. If you asked me about Star Wars, I'd reference the Hero's Journey.

DA2 commits the mistake that you find in other stories, such as Spider-man 3: too many plot-lines, too many villains that all work against each other without feeling like a coherent whole. What was the point of the Qunari conflict? Of Hawke's family? Is this about Hawke? Is this about him attempting (and failing) to protect his family? Is it about Kirkwall? The Qunari? Or the Mage-Templar conflict, as the ending hints at? Dragon Age 2 attempts to be all of these things, and in doing so, it is about none of these things. At least, not to any degree that I consider it to have successfully achieved that goal.
 
Clarity is the most important aspect of story-telling. I don't really know what DA2 was "about", as it keeps jumping around. Act 1 is Hawke as a poor man in the city. Act 2, he is a noble. And Act 3, he is the Champion of Kirkwall. This might indicate that the story is about Hawke attempting to live in a foreign city and protect his family. But amidst all that, it's not his story, it's about the various political factions in the city, as he spends his entire time dealing with Qunari and Mages and the action very rarely centers on his development.

Modifié par Il Divo, 26 novembre 2011 - 05:08 .

[jbrand2002uk]

Realmzmaster got my point bang on really. In my own personal opinion I do not care how many awards DAO won or if it outsold DA2 these figures are irrelevant to game quality or enjoyment the reason i was disappointed with DAO was because pretty much everything in it could be found in any other RPG from 20+ years before it lacked originality it pure hummed of a by the numbers job the whole point of the combat in DAO was to inject some pace and excitement after much dull and dreary trudging around talking to NPC's and collecting things.

The only thing I liked about DAO's combat was the finishing moves other than that it was just endless shuffling to get into position to make a strike and by the time you have got into position another member of your party has killed the enemy you just spent 2 minutes getting into position to attack hence it failed for me. This would have been ok if the story was at least original or creative but yet again it was a by the numbers snore-fest.

Because of this I had little desire to finish the game 1st time round because of the lack of originality in the story,characters or general mechanics of the game and when I'm handing over 40 notes or more I expect some originality no matter how minor but alas there is not one single thing in that game that hasn't been done before and all the awards in the world wont make the slightest bit of difference.

DA2 may well have been rushed or not executed as well as it could have been but I appreciate it for at lest bringing in some changes to the genre even if they were minor.
I do find it hilarious at how DA2 "bashing" is acceptable by many and yet shouting down anyone who raise even one criticism at DAO is commonplace i think many of the forumites need to learn balance because if "bashing" DA2 is ok then "bashing" DAO so be also equally OK

[Tuleron]

Il Divo wrote...

Tuleron wrote...

they're 3 acts and in each act they told you what you must do, what did you expect?

Coherent story-telling. If someone asked me what Planescape is about, I'd tell them it's the story of a man searching for his  identity. If you asked me about Star Wars, I'd reference the Hero's Journey.

DA2 commits the mistake that you find in other stories, such as Spider-man 3: too many plot-lines, too many villains that all work against each other without feeling like a coherent whole. What was the point of the Qunari conflict? Of Hawke's family? Is this about Hawke? Is this about him attempting (and failing) to protect his family? Is it about Kirkwall? The Qunari? Or the Mage-Templar conflict, as the ending hints at? Dragon Age 2 attempts to be all of these things, and in doing so, it is about none of these things. At least, not to any degree that I consider it to have successfully achieved that goal.
 
Clarity is the most important aspect of story-telling. I don't really know what DA2 was "about", as it keeps jumping around. Act 1 is Hawke as a poor man in the city. Act 2, he is a noble. And Act 3, he is the Champion of Kirkwall. This might indicate that the story is about Hawke attempting to live in a foreign city and protect his family. But amidst all that, it's not his story, it's about the various political factions in the city, as he spends his entire time dealing with Qunari and Mages and the action very rarely centers on his development.

We have differents opinion and it's seems that we never going to agree.
I found the story really good exactly because of that: It's the story of the man who, beeing a refugee from the blight, becomes the Champion of Kirkwall, and in the middle you need to solve problems like you said.
But like i said, we have differents opinions and we like different things.
For me it was awesome, so bad that the game's mechanics wasn't good.

Modifié par Tuleron, 27 novembre 2011 - 01:13 .

[Night Prowler76]

caradoc2000 wrote...

By far the most overhyped games this year were BF3 and Skyrim.

Except these two titles delivered on Sales and Critic reviews, I own all 3 games, and Dragon age 2 is by far, the most pathetic of the 3 titles, its in the bargain bin at my Walmart for 19 bucks, you want me to get you an extra copy? lmao

[Zanallen]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Except these two titles delivered on Sales and Critic reviews, I own all 3 games, and Dragon age 2 is by far, the most pathetic of the 3 titles, its in the bargain bin at my Walmart for 19 bucks, you want me to get you an extra copy? lmao

Which has no bearing on how hyped something is.

[Realmzmaster]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

By far the most overhyped games this year were BF3 and Skyrim.

Except these two titles delivered on Sales and Critic reviews, I own all 3 games, and Dragon age 2 is by far, the most pathetic of the 3 titles, its in the bargain bin at my Walmart for 19 bucks, you want me to get you an extra copy? lmao

Most PC titles are bargin bin after 6 months of being on the self. (your point?) I have picked up many AAA titles that way. The definition of hyped is excessive publicity. It makes no mention of delivering on the hype. Those are two different things. Skyrim had far more publicity than DA2.

For example, radio stations play the same song by a famous artist every 15 minutes for a month and the song goes triple platinum.
A song by a different famous artist gets played once a week for a month and goes triple platinum.
Which one of these songs would be considered overhyped? Most people would say the first one.
The same results are achieved. This is a over simplification because other factors could be involved.

Overhyped has nothing to do with meeting expectations.  Now in your opinion Skyrim delivered on the hype meeting your expectation which I have no problem with.

The author of list is equating hype with meeting expectations and that is not the definition.

[Persephone]

Overhyped? No.

That title belongs to Skyrim and TW2. (I loved TW2 and as for Skyrim....it's not as rotten as Oblivion but once the shine is off, it's as bland as its predecessor) If you didn't go along with the gushing, Maker help you!

DAII? Most ridiculously maligned game of 2011 more like. A game I'm playing again now after getting even more mods for it. And...oh my...I am still enjoying it!

[Kroitz]

Persephone wrote...

Overhyped? No.

That title belongs to Skyrim and TW2. (I loved TW2 and as for Skyrim....it's not as rotten as Oblivion but once the shine is off, it's as bland as its predecessor) If you didn't go along with the gushing, Maker help you!

DAII? Most ridiculously maligned game of 2011 more like. A game I'm playing again now after getting even more mods for it. And...oh my...I am still enjoying it!

Like the well behaved people we are, I hope we can agree to disagree on that statement.

[Persephone]

Kroitz wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Overhyped? No.

That title belongs to Skyrim and TW2. (I loved TW2 and as for Skyrim....it's not as rotten as Oblivion but once the shine is off, it's as bland as its predecessor) If you didn't go along with the gushing, Maker help you!

DAII? Most ridiculously maligned game of 2011 more like. A game I'm playing again now after getting even more mods for it. And...oh my...I am still enjoying it!

Like the well behaved people we are, I hope we can agree to disagree on that statement.

Certainly. :happy:

[Zanallen]

Going back over the list, I really don't think the author knows the definition of overhyped. I was thinking maybe he meant overrated, but some of the games on the list weren't rated high at all. Hm, it makes me wonder what sort of criteria he was following when choosing games.

[bEVEsthda]

Zanallen wrote...

Going back over the list, I really don't think the author knows the definition of overhyped. I was thinking maybe he meant overrated, but some of the games on the list weren't rated high at all. Hm, it makes me wonder what sort of criteria he was following when choosing games.

Exactly. Once again I find myself in agreement.

[AlexXIV]

I don't think 'overhyped' is a word anyway. It's just hyped because that includes the exaggeration already. Hype always means that something is blown out of proportion.

[standardpack]

Not to say Dragon Age 2 wasn't a good game in it's own right... but for being the sequel to one of the greatest rpgs of it's generation I just expected more, MUCH more.

Modifié par standardpack, 27 novembre 2011 - 01:17 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Persephone wrote...

Overhyped? No.

That title belongs to Skyrim and TW2. (I loved TW2 and as for Skyrim....it's not as rotten as Oblivion but once the shine is off, it's as bland as its predecessor) If you didn't go along with the gushing, Maker help you!

DAII? Most ridiculously maligned game of 2011 more like. A game I'm playing again now after getting even more mods for it. And...oh my...I am still enjoying it!

??

Skyrim didn't even have a launch trailer. If any hyping was done it was by the fanbase. Same as TW2, the hype for that was mainly done by the fanbase.

DA2 on the other hand, all of the hype was done by Bioware, and it was a crazy amount. And don't be offended, but i commend you for still being able to play DA2. Being able to play any game for this long is a damn  feat, let alone a game where everything is virtually the same after every playthrough.

[Frybread76]

You people are crazy fanboys and fangirls. DA2 was easily one of the most overhyped games of 2012. Easy. Not the most overhyped, but one of the most by far. I'm not saying DA2 is a bad game, but everybody thought it was a AAA title that was going to be Game of Year and it is no where close to that level.