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[Firky]

Frybread76 wrote...

You people are crazy fanboys and fangirls. DA2 was easily one of the most overhyped games of 2012. Easy. Not the most overhyped, but one of the most by far. I'm not saying DA2 is a bad game, but everybody thought it was a AAA title that was going to be Game of Year and it is no where close to that level.

Much as I loved DAII, my personal GOTY was $12 and was largely made by one man. "Game of the Year" is another term that needs defining, I reckon. Doesn't need to be triple A, and if it's "Game of the Year" by such and such a games website/magazine, there's different criteria for defining that, too.

[Danyu]

That list is so stupid. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 isn't on there? Nor is Battlefield 3? OR Skyrim?

Those ARE the most overhyped games. And they're not even good.

Critics are a joke and the sad thing is a lot of people take their word as gospel.

[Biotic Budah]

Ok, first off the game play. You all know it was repetitive, even the Devs knew it as they had the characters joking about it in the DLC. Next, while I like the look of the qunari, you took a people who looked like humans and put horns on their heads then turned their skin silver. Bit of a jump? Plus the new darkspawn looked like a bunch of Batman villains from the 60's TV show. They of course improved on that with the Genlocks, but again fundamentally changed their entire appearance. They should have went with a different type. And, ok they changed the look of the elves, with the exception of Fenris and to a lesser extent Merrill. Fenris should be the model on the elf appearance. And Isabela's appearance was altered as well.

Story and gameplay: I liked the story, the execution was a little haggard. The game play just wasn't that satisfying. The mage was improved, but the rest was just too button mashy.

The graphics were billed to be as good as the trailers, which they simply were not at all.

Overall you could tell that the game was rushed. I think Mass Effect saw this and delayed their release to make darn sure they don't sacrifice quality for a deadline.

I will buy the sequel should they have it, just to see if they fix things. The DLC offerings make me hopeful of that.

[Bryy_Miller]

Frybread76 wrote...

You people are crazy fanboys and fangirls. DA2 was easily one of the most overhyped games of 2012. Easy. Not the most overhyped, but one of the most by far. I'm not saying DA2 is a bad game, but everybody thought it was a AAA title that was going to be Game of Year and it is no where close to that level.

Remember, kids: it doesn't matter if you find faults in the game. As long as you still liked it, that makes you a fanboy.

[puppy maclove]

It belongs on the list, without a doubt.

A combination of forceful marketing (empty promises & noise) & high fan expectation created oodles of hype for a game that fell painfully flat. To state the obvious.

DA2 almost went straight to the bargain bin, a critical and financial failure.

The game was average at best and did not meet the expectations of most of the fans and neither did it live up to the promises of the marketing department.

So YES, it was a over-hyped flop. I agree that my heightened expectations for the game, also caused even greater disappointment but we were promised a lot too!!!!

[deatharmonic]

Danyu wrote...

That list is so stupid. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 isn't on there? Nor is Battlefield 3? OR Skyrim?

Those ARE the most overhyped games. And they're not even good.

Critics are a joke and the sad thing is a lot of people take their word as gospel.

why are those 3 games overhyped? because they advertised? because people buzzed about them in anticipation on forums? Or because of certain things the devs said before release? i do not think advertisement is overhyping, companies are trying to sell their game after all. Personally i did not hear anything about these games other than the ads that were out. 

When i think of 'overhyping' with DA2 the 'awesome button' amongst other comments come to mind, before its release the game was built up to be something incredible, but that did not meet my own and many others expectations, hence i would say it was overhyped. Ive only played Skyrim out of the 3, while i do find flaws in it, it met my expectations so no i would not say it was overhyped. whilst YOU may not think its good, i would disagree.

Modifié par deatharmonic, 27 novembre 2011 - 01:50 .

[philippe willaume]

QuadDamage85 wrote...

The problem with these topics is that most people are far to polarized. People either absolutely love it, or people hate it.

The fact of the matter is, the game had some severe flaws. The story started out great, then by the 2nd act it fell off. Then when you get to the final act, everything comes crashing down all at once and you're trying to make sense of what happened between 2 and 3.

The combat (on Nightmare) was flawed due to the massive damage output by melee characters. Having a rogue character near a two handed Hawke generally lead to instant death to the rogue, unless you constantly baby sit the rogue. Another issue with the combat was that a lot of people didn't appreciate the new system, and prefer the old school tactical combat used in previous Bioware games leading up to Dragon Age: Origins. At the same time, people found the combat of Origins to be slow, and at times to challenging.

A personal gripe that I have is Biowares obsession with downloadable content. If you're not going to include the content in the finalized package, don't do it at all. I fully support the creation of expansion packs, but companies are now nickling and diming the market as much as possible, and most of you are falling right into it.

While this game certainly had its negatives, it did have its positives. Was it over hyped? Most games now are over hyped these days. Most people only look at the few second snippets provided, and buy the game the day of, as opposed to waiting to find out more about it.

Hello
You know there are a fair few of us that are of that opinion about the game. DA:2= great concepts to improve DA:0 not so good execution.

To be fair, I do not mind the DLC concept, from a purely buisness point of view, it intermix return and development time. Basically breaking dow the total dev time into deliverable revenue chunks.
as well it makes making the date more achievable and reduce the slippage time proportionaly. But defacto it will increase the total development cycle as you will invariably lose efficiency.

that being said, you need a development cyle that support the model, and the dlc need to have actual content.
Legacy and MoTA are a good exemple.

If we take DA2 i would have preferd to have a DLC for act3, and have sebastian to start with.
I think it is ok to say, we will realeas act3 in 3 month as a free DLC to get it the level of act I oe would no mind paying for act II provided that act II was flesh up.

phil

[TEWR]

Danyu wrote...

That list is so stupid. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 isn't on there? Nor is Battlefield 3? OR Skyrim?

Those ARE the most overhyped games. And they're not even good.

Critics are a joke and the sad thing is a lot of people take their word as gospel.

Difference being those games delivered on what they were hyping. DAII was made out to be one of the best games of the year with one of the best stories and was made out to say that choices would matter in the game.

To that, I say this:

Ha.

[Zanallen]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Difference being those games delivered on what they were hyping. DAII was made out to be one of the best games of the year with one of the best stories and was made out to say that choices would matter in the game.

To that, I say this:

Ha.

That makes the game potentially overrated, not overhyped.

[Atakuma]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Difference being those games delivered on what they were hyping. DAII was made out to be one of the best games of the year with one of the best stories and was made out to say that choices would matter in the game.

To that, I say this:

Ha.

No it wasn't and they never said your choices would matter.

Modifié par Atakuma, 28 novembre 2011 - 02:42 .

[stoicsentry2]

Arius23 wrote...

 http://games.yahoo.com/photos/most-overhyped-games-of-2011-1321901765-slideshow/most-overhyped-games-of-2011-photo-1321901716.html


Yikes, pretty harsh, but are they right?  I'll admit the hype was huge for DA2 and many feel it didn't deliver.  But is it in the same ranks as Duke Nukem Forever?

Dragon Age 2 is one of the biggest pieces of junk ever. If not for the graphics, it might easily have been confused with being an indie game.

It's not an RPG, skill system sucks, maps are repeated over and over again, nothing you do has any effect on anything in the game world. Falling ninjas from the ceiling and parachuting from the rooftops.

It's a crappy goth version of Call of Duty with swords.

It's a complete joke. I made Laidlaw personally apologize to me right here on these forums for the abomination that they call Dragon Age 2. Then I rejected his apology because neither he, nor EA, Bioware, anyone responsible for Dragon Age 2 deserve forgiveness. You do not get forgiven for ripping me off and spitting in my face about it, saying that the fan base "simply didn't get it."

Yeah, we "didn't get it" and hopefully no one but the teeny bopper crowd will get Dragon Age 3.

Modifié par stoicsentry2, 28 novembre 2011 - 03:00 .

[Tommyspa]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 is one of the biggest pieces of junk ever. If not for the graphics, it might easily have been confused with being an indie game.

It's not an RPG, skill system sucks, maps are repeated over and over again, nothing you do has any effect on anything in the game world. Falling ninjas from the ceiling and parachuting from the rooftops.

It's a crappy goth version of Call of Duty with swords.

It's a complete joke. I made Laidlaw personally apologize to me right here on these forums for the abomination that they call Dragon Age 2. Then I rejected his apology because neither he, nor EA, Bioware, anyone responsible for Dragon Age 2 deserve forgiveness. You do not get forgiven for ripping me off and spitting in my face about it, saying that the fan base "simply didn't get it."

Yeah, we "didn't get it" and hopefully no one but the teeny bopper crowd will get Dragon Age 3.

You are not trolling hard enough.

[stoicsentry2]

Tommyspa wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 is one of the biggest pieces of junk ever. If not for the graphics, it might easily have been confused with being an indie game.

It's not an RPG, skill system sucks, maps are repeated over and over again, nothing you do has any effect on anything in the game world. Falling ninjas from the ceiling and parachuting from the rooftops.

It's a crappy goth version of Call of Duty with swords.

It's a complete joke. I made Laidlaw personally apologize to me right here on these forums for the abomination that they call Dragon Age 2. Then I rejected his apology because neither he, nor EA, Bioware, anyone responsible for Dragon Age 2 deserve forgiveness. You do not get forgiven for ripping me off and spitting in my face about it, saying that the fan base "simply didn't get it."

Yeah, we "didn't get it" and hopefully no one but the teeny bopper crowd will get Dragon Age 3.

You are not trolling hard enough.

I'm not trolling. I mean it.

[Bryy_Miller]

stoicsentry2 wrote...
 If not for the graphics, it might easily have been confused with being an indie game.

Did you just imply that indie games are bad?

[Firky]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

It's a complete joke. I made Laidlaw personally apologize to me right here on these forums for the abomination that they call Dragon Age 2. Then I rejected his apology because neither he, nor EA, Bioware, anyone responsible for Dragon Age 2 deserve forgiveness. You do not get forgiven for ripping me off and spitting in my face about it, saying that the fan base "simply didn't get it."

You know, I do not recall that happening.

On Indie games. The idea that Indie games are "bad" is a way outdated and wrong view (in my opinion.) Critics/commentators don't even use the term "Indie gems" much any more, because it implies that the game is a rare find in an otherwise bad category. (The category is not bad.)

I loved DAII, but I'd rate 2 Indie games higher than it, in my book, this year. Neither of those had any hype at all, btw. I love Indie games that exemplify gaming as an artistic medium, but it's not even that any more. Take something like Bastion, which a more mainstream audience could so easily love.

Modifié par Firky, 28 novembre 2011 - 08:00 .

[TEWR]

Atakuma wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Difference being those games delivered on what they were hyping. DAII was made out to be one of the best games of the year with one of the best stories and was made out to say that choices would matter in the game.

To that, I say this:

Ha.

No it wasn't and they never said your choices would matter.

yes it was and yes they did. They said Kirkwall would revolve around our decisions. By saying that, they said that our choices would would matter in the game and affect Kirkwall.

Zanallen wrote...That makes the game potentially overrated, not overhyped.

True.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 28 novembre 2011 - 08:28 .

[AmstradHero]

stoicsentry2 wrote...
It's a complete joke. I made Laidlaw personally apologize to me right here on these forums for the abomination that they call Dragon Age 2. Then I rejected his apology because neither he, nor EA, Bioware, anyone responsible for Dragon Age 2 deserve forgiveness. You do not get forgiven for ripping me off and spitting in my face about it, saying that the fan base "simply didn't get it."

And you expect to be praised for this type of childish behaviour? You demand an apology that you were never intending to accept?

Your attitude is a complete joke. Your criticism is shallow and unconstructive and repeating the catch-cries of those who hated DA2. DA2 was not what you expected, and it was a departure from DAO. It had numerous flaws, but to claim that it was Call of Duty with swords is pure hyperbole and blatant raging without justification or credibility. Besides, say what you want about Call of Duty (and I've certainly levelled a large amount of critcism in its direction), it's a popular series, and it's popular for a good reason. The games are generally well made.

DA2 certainly didn't live up to the heights of its predecessor, and it definitely fell short of what it could have been. Despite this, anyone who just launches a tirade of hatred at the game should just shut their mouth. Reasoned criticism is valuable. Hating is not.

I understand why BioWare made some design decisions for DA2. I don't necessarily agree with their choices, but for the most part I understand why those decisions were made. What I don't understand is the need some people feel to continually hate on DA2 and level the same tired accusations over and over again.

You didn't like DA2, that's perfectly fine. You're entitled to that opinion, and I wouldn't attempt to dissuade you from it. I could point out the good points of DA2, but I get the impression you wouldn't listen anyway. That doesn't justify childish behaviour and continually grinding an axe of hatred against DA2 without reasoned criticism or comparison to other releases to demonstrate the game's shortcomings. At this point it seems petty and like the whining of people who don't actually understand game design, or simply trolling. None of these are likely to influence BioWare to listen and pay heed to such diatribe.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 28 novembre 2011 - 10:00 .

[Firky]

Oh right. He (or she) demanded an apology. The word "made" implied that it had happened. Which is a pretty unfair representation, in my book, if the situation was just a demand.

(I have to say that I find anyone forcing anyone else to apologise, for pretty much anything, to be a very wrong approach - and counterproductive. I don't believe I've ever *made* my 4 year old apologise for any bad behaviour, for example, yet he does apologise when the situation requires it, and he is one of the most well behaved kids you could imagine.)

If someone felt like they were tricked by hype into spending their money, which might be tight, on a game, then they could feel justified to outline why this was the case, in my opinion. But "making" someone apologise? Doesn't sound healthy to me.

(Certain key criticisms around here make me get on my white pony, but I'm with Amstrad in hoping for more reasoned and mature conversations between gamers in the online arena.)

Modifié par Firky, 28 novembre 2011 - 09:53 .

[FieryDove]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Difference being those games delivered on what they were hyping. DAII was made out to be one of the best games of the year with one of the best stories and was made out to say that choices would matter in the game.

To that, I say this:

Ha.

No it wasn't and they never said your choices would matter.

yes it was and yes they did. They said Kirkwall would revolve around our decisions. By saying that, they said that our choices would would matter in the game and affect Kirkwall.

Eth, you are correct.

http://dragonage.bioware.com/

Key Features:
Embark upon an all-new adventure that takes place across an entire decade and shapes itself around every decision you make.
Determine your rise to power from a destitute refugee to the revered champion of the land.
Think like a general and fight like a Spartan with dynamic new combat mechanics that put you right in the heart of battle whether you are a mage, rogue, or warrior.
Go deeper into the world of Dragon Age with an entirely new cinematic experience that grabs hold of you from the beginning and never lets go.
Discover a whole realm rendered in stunning detail with updated graphics and a new visual style.

[Dubya75]

FieryDove wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Difference being those games delivered on what they were hyping. DAII was made out to be one of the best games of the year with one of the best stories and was made out to say that choices would matter in the game.

To that, I say this:

Ha.

No it wasn't and they never said your choices would matter.

yes it was and yes they did. They said Kirkwall would revolve around our decisions. By saying that, they said that our choices would would matter in the game and affect Kirkwall.

Eth, you are correct.

http://dragonage.bioware.com/

Key Features:
Embark upon an all-new adventure that takes place across an entire decade and shapes itself around every decision you make.
Determine your rise to power from a destitute refugee to the revered champion of the land.
Think like a general and fight like a Spartan with dynamic new combat mechanics that put you right in the heart of battle whether you are a mage, rogue, or warrior.
Go deeper into the world of Dragon Age with an entirely new cinematic experience that grabs hold of you from the beginning and never lets go.
Discover a whole realm rendered in stunning detail with updated graphics and a new visual style.

...And experience the most over-used environments ever encountered in any game, restricting you to the tiny city of Kirkwall! And you get to run around like it's Sunday because there is no-one else around!

[AlexXIV]

FieryDove wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Difference being those games delivered on what they were hyping. DAII was made out to be one of the best games of the year with one of the best stories and was made out to say that choices would matter in the game.

To that, I say this:

Ha.

No it wasn't and they never said your choices would matter.

yes it was and yes they did. They said Kirkwall would revolve around our decisions. By saying that, they said that our choices would would matter in the game and affect Kirkwall.

Eth, you are correct.

http://dragonage.bioware.com/

Key Features:
Embark upon an all-new adventure that takes place across an entire decade and shapes itself around every decision you make.
Determine your rise to power from a destitute refugee to the revered champion of the land.
Think like a general and fight like a Spartan with dynamic new combat mechanics that put you right in the heart of battle whether you are a mage, rogue, or warrior.
Go deeper into the world of Dragon Age with an entirely new cinematic experience that grabs hold of you from the beginning and never lets go.
Discover a whole realm rendered in stunning detail with updated graphics and a new visual style.

Dunno what you have, this sounds like a great game. Where can I get it?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 28 novembre 2011 - 04:21 .

[alex90c]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

It's a complete joke. I made Laidlaw personally apologize to me right here on these forums for the abomination that they call Dragon Age 2. Then I rejected his apology because neither he, nor EA, Bioware, anyone responsible for Dragon Age 2 deserve forgiveness. You do not get forgiven for ripping me off and spitting in my face about it, saying that the fan base "simply didn't get it."

Yeah, we "didn't get it" and hopefully no one but the teeny bopper crowd will get Dragon Age 3.

I would say "no offence", but I mean full offence when I say you doing that is just pathetic.

"apologise"
"okay" *apologises*
"sorry nope not accepting it"

Yeah, DA2 sucked, but Bioware got the memo and they're trying to improve their future material. Jesus f*cking Christ why do people still not realise that? Yeah, sure, they're going in the DA2 direction (which IMO blows) but they know they made mistakes in the main game and in later installments (DA3) they won't have crap like recycled environments (hell they'll probably do what the ME team did and not recycle anything), materialising waves of enemies and an ineffectual protagonist because they know people didn't like that. Sure there are people who try to justify these ... choices but the consensus is that they were generally not appreciated and Bioware will fix that.

[Cosmochyck]

The hating of DA2 is STILL going on? Wow.

Anyway...I didn't hate it. I have no idea if it was overhyped. I just buy what I like and I enjoyed it. It was different from DA:O, but I take each game as a stand alone piece anyway, so I wasn't expecting DA:O all over again. It had some issues and parts of it felt rushed to market (which it was), but Bioware has already stated that DA3 will not be finished as quickly. They've heard everyone's complaints and issues. It's not like DA2 is the first game to ever come up short in the eyes of the critics/gamers.

[culletron1]

For me personally it was easily the most over hyped game of the year...

The main reason was because I hyped it up so much in my own head before hand... I was fully expecting a game better than origins... I was extremely disappointed with what I got...

Oh well... I played a lot of TOR at the weekend and that seems to be quite promising - In fact I can't help but wonder if a lot of the DA:O talent was shifted onto that project...

[LadyJaneGrey]

...

Are we really arguing about a "fill up the space" blog feature from Yahoo?