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Dragon Age 2, one of the most overhyped games of 2011?


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Realmzmaster wrote...

How would non-EA people in Interviews know about what is going on in EA? Without insider information they can only speculate. Just like you or I do. Now they may be talking to EA/Bioware employees that wish to remain anonyomus. But then that makes the information dubious.


Well...they are insiders too?

The composer of the music, the director of the VA talent and such...You don't think these people don't know what they are talking about? All of them have worked with BW before and some on DAO.

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The composer of the music was asked to accelerate the process that is true, but It was do to the fact that the Origins dlc and Awakenings sales were not very good. No way Bioware could justify putting more resources into dlc and expansions that were not selling. One reason why Bioware probable changed the timetable.

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Then maybe they should have put more time and energy in making the DA:O DLC better from the start? Because it wasn't really that impressive. I never felt the urge to tell all my friends to get Return to Ostagar, while I certainly did with Lair of the Shadow Broker.

The DA2 DLCs seem to be rather well accepted, it seems to be more of what the DA2 fans loved and is even well spoken of by some DA2 critics. So it obviously Bioware is able to pull off DLC that is equal to the main game or even better in some aspects (same with LotSB) - why wasn't that the case with DA:O?

And I don't hate those DA:O DLCs, I got them all except for Leliana's Song and Darkspawn Chronicles, but they could have been much better. Especially Witch Hunt was so far from being satisfying or even what was directly promised it hurt...

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That list is so stupid. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3 isn't on there? Nor is Battlefield 3? OR Skyrim?

Those ARE the most overhyped games. And they're not even good.

Critics are a joke and the sad thing is a lot of people take their word as gospel.


why are those 3 games overhyped? because they advertised? because people buzzed about them in anticipation on forums? Or because of certain things the devs said before release? i do not think advertisement is overhyping, companies are trying to sell their game after all. Personally i did not hear anything about these games other than the ads that were out. 

When i think of 'overhyping' with DA2 the 'awesome button' amongst other comments come to mind, before its release the game was built up to be something incredible, but that did not meet my own and many others expectations, hence i would say it was overhyped. Ive only played Skyrim out of the 3, while i do find flaws in it, it met my expectations so no i would not say it was overhyped. whilst YOU may not think its good, i would disagree.


Sure, advertising can help with hype, but wait, did I say 'because they advertised?' I'm pretty sure I didn't. Let me check my quote. Oh geez. No I didn't. If you must know, I frequent multiple gaming forums and websites, have pretty much nothing but gamer friends, and my girlfriend works at Gamestop and tells me about every customer that walks in because she can't help herself.

Unless you were living under a rock, then it should be pretty obvious the most talked about games were Call of Duty MW3, Skyrim, and Battlefield 3. The only other game I can think of that was talked about quite a bit in comparison was Skyward Sword.

So that should get the hype out of the way, yes? We can agree those games were hyped at the very least?

Now let's a take a look at I don't know, IGN's website and do a search on Skyrim and the number of people who have had issues with the game so far. You'll see at least 3 editorial articles referencing a coming patch to fix the large number of problems as well. There are have been numerous people complaining about high-end PCs not playing the game at all. PS3 having numerous problems. I play it on the 360 and it has numerous coding and basic game issues myself as witness. I would definitely say a game that is riddled with problems is disappointing. So yes, you're allowed to disagree with me, but that's your opinion as much as that can be disappointing sometimes.

Battlefield 3? From what my girlfriend says at gamestop and from what I've read from a bunch of other players, the Campaign was a disappointment. Like not the, 'well it could've been better' disappointment, but more along the lines of, 'why did i buy this?' disappointment. It's supposedly short and uninteresting? But I haven't played it. It's just what I hear. This game has had a crazy amount of returns at Gamestop.

Call of Duty: MW3? A game that outsold any form of media in any avenue ever. A game that uses the same engine and from what I hear no updated graphics (seems to be true from videos and pics). The gameplay doesn't really add much. Let's just say it ~ it's basically the first Modern Warfare with an expansion pack. And ask the people who play it, I'm sure they'll agree with that because everyone big-time Call of Duty player who I talk to who love it tell me just that.

But does any of this stuff matter to you? No, not at all. You care because I discredited one of your favorite games, and because you liked it, it could never have been 'overhyped.'

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

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How do you know?

And how do you know which ones are "good"?


I'm hoping BioWare does, or would, based on who worked and what changed in Dragon Age 2.


Are you actually intending to respond to me?


I did. BioWare/EA knows exactly what changed with Dragon Age 2, even if they don't recognize that change as exclusively 'bad'. They're the ones who can make the most informed decision.

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Zanallen wrote...

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I'm hoping BioWare does, or would, based on who worked and what changed in Dragon Age 2.


So, by and large the same people who made DA:O?


'By and large.'

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Owned. Maybe now the row of lay-offs wil start off.


Which means EA/Bioware would layoff the entire DAO/DA2 team including the main writer David Gaider? Do people read or watch the credits. There will be no layoffs unless EA/Bioware plans on killing off the Dragon Age franchise. Even then most of the employees would be moved to other EA/Bioware projects like Star Wars: The Old Republic.


If the 'management' that was responsible for Dragon Age 2 stays in charge, then Dragon Age is as good as dead. You might like and support the franchise as it stands now, and that's fine. But I see no reason to, and I don't want them to 'fail' simply out of spite. As long as things remain like they are (management), I assume they won't change their direction too radically, which leads me to believe the series will still remain profitable (if they don't change it). And if the series remains profitable as it is now, after Dragon Age 2, I think they're all the less likely to change it -- the more profitable it is this way.

Why would I want a product to succeed when having it tank is more likely to result in getting the product I am most likely to want? Voting with your wallet and all that. In fact, regardless of whether or not people get laid off or not, having their 'new direction' tank is more likely to give me the product I want.

Modifié par Gunderic, 29 novembre 2011 - 09:25 .


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AlexXIV wrote...

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Eth, you are correct.

http://dragonage.bioware.com/

Key Features:
Embark upon an all-new adventure that takes place across an entire decade and shapes itself around every decision you make.
Determine your rise to power from a destitute refugee to the revered champion of the land.
Think like a general and fight like a Spartan with dynamic new combat mechanics that put you right in the heart of battle whether you are a mage, rogue, or warrior.
Go deeper into the world of Dragon Age with an entirely new cinematic experience that grabs hold of you from the beginning and never lets go.
Discover a whole realm rendered in stunning detail with updated graphics and a new visual style.

Dunno what you have, this sounds like a great game. Where can I get it?


lol That's what a lot of dragon age fans would like to know.

Modifié par standardpack, 29 novembre 2011 - 11:04 .


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Dubya75 wrote...

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No, what heppens when people hate a game is that it disappears and is forgotten.
People don't hate DA2, they love it. That's why they keep going on about it. Because of the disappointment with the way in which it was delivered....I think.
I loved the game, but I will also make fun of it when the opportunity presents itself in the hope it's failings get so engrained in the devs' minds that they would think twice before releasing anything less than AAA in the future.


^ This.  Atleast for me, though replace 'DAII' with 'Dragon Age as a whole'. 

i love the dragon age franchise, but it's for that reason that I was dissapointed that DAII didn't give me, in quote of Stanley Woo, "a game that will give me a similar experience of epic-ness, immersion, and sense of value as DAO."

It's because we love Dragon Age that we want to see it do well.  When DAO came out I don't think I saw half as much 'hate forum topics' about it than from what I've seen for DAII.

Modifié par standardpack, 29 novembre 2011 - 11:19 .


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Gunderic wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

How do you know?

And how do you know which ones are "good"?


I'm hoping BioWare does, or would, based on who worked and what changed in Dragon Age 2.


Are you actually intending to respond to me?


I did. 


No you did not. Just made a snide remark that they would lay off the "good employees", and when I asked you how you knew that, you just said "I dunno".

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Gunderic wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Owned. Maybe now the row of lay-offs wil start off.


Which means EA/Bioware would layoff the entire DAO/DA2 team including the main writer David Gaider? Do people read or watch the credits. There will be no layoffs unless EA/Bioware plans on killing off the Dragon Age franchise. Even then most of the employees would be moved to other EA/Bioware projects like Star Wars: The Old Republic.


If the 'management' that was responsible for Dragon Age 2 stays in charge, then Dragon Age is as good as dead. You might like and support the franchise as it stands now, and that's fine. But I see no reason to, and I don't want them to 'fail' simply out of spite. As long as things remain like they are (management), I assume they won't change their direction too radically, which leads me to believe the series will still remain profitable (if they don't change it). And if the series remains profitable as it is now, after Dragon Age 2, I think they're all the less likely to change it -- the more profitable it is this way.

Why would I want a product to succeed when having it tank is more likely to result in getting the product I am most likely to want? Voting with your wallet and all that. In fact, regardless of whether or not people get laid off or not, having their 'new direction' tank is more likely to give me the product I want.


Not necessarily, It could simply mean the death of the franchise and you do not get what you want. You have the right to vote with your wallet just like everybody else. Bioware has the right to pull the plug and devote the resources to making Star Wrs: The Old Republic succeed.

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People are claiming they didn't see any hype for DA2? Just google 'DA2 review'.

I think some of the many paid-for reviews like this:

http://www.pcgamer.c...n-age-2-review/

is what you've missed. Fortunately the comments on the same page provide a helpful antidote.

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So what about the games that everybody expected to be horrible but turned out to be GOTY contenders (Mortal Kombat) and games that not only met but surpassed expectation (Gears of War 3 and The Witcher 2)?

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Pygmali0n wrote...

People are claiming they didn't see any hype for DA2? Just google 'DA2 review'.

I think some of the many paid-for reviews like this:

http://www.pcgamer.c...n-age-2-review/

is what you've missed. Fortunately the comments on the same page provide a helpful antidote.


I assume you have proof that EA paid for this review and other positive reviews?

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Realmzmaster wrote...

The composer of the music was asked to accelerate the process that is true, but It was do to the fact that the Origins dlc and Awakenings sales were not very good. No way Bioware could justify putting more resources into dlc and expansions that were not selling. One reason why Bioware probable changed the timetable.


Really? Odd, I don't recall any of these people or BW mentioning anything about DAO's DLC/Awakening's poor performance as a reason. Do you have a link handy?

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Realmzmaster wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

Owned. Maybe now the row of lay-offs wil start off.


Which means EA/Bioware would layoff the entire DAO/DA2 team including the main writer David Gaider? Do people read or watch the credits. There will be no layoffs unless EA/Bioware plans on killing off the Dragon Age franchise. Even then most of the employees would be moved to other EA/Bioware projects like Star Wars: The Old Republic.


If the 'management' that was responsible for Dragon Age 2 stays in charge, then Dragon Age is as good as dead. You might like and support the franchise as it stands now, and that's fine. But I see no reason to, and I don't want them to 'fail' simply out of spite. As long as things remain like they are (management), I assume they won't change their direction too radically, which leads me to believe the series will still remain profitable (if they don't change it). And if the series remains profitable as it is now, after Dragon Age 2, I think they're all the less likely to change it -- the more profitable it is this way.

Why would I want a product to succeed when having it tank is more likely to result in getting the product I am most likely to want? Voting with your wallet and all that. In fact, regardless of whether or not people get laid off or not, having their 'new direction' tank is more likely to give me the product I want.


Not necessarily, It could simply mean the death of the franchise and you do not get what you want. You have the right to vote with your wallet just like everybody else. Bioware has the right to pull the plug and devote the resources to making Star Wrs: The Old Republic succeed.


People also forget that Mark Darrah has been in charge of both DA games so far, and will most likely be in charge of DA3,4,etc.

So the claims that the series has strayed from its "original vision" because of the promotion of Mike Laidlaw (even though it really wasn't a promotion) and the quitting of Brent Knowles are rather baseless.

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Realmzmaster wrote...

Pygmali0n wrote...

People are claiming they didn't see any hype for DA2? Just google 'DA2 review'.

I think some of the many paid-for reviews like this:

http://www.pcgamer.c...n-age-2-review/

is what you've missed. Fortunately the comments on the same page provide a helpful antidote.


I assume you have proof that EA paid for this review and other positive reviews?


I have eyes and a brain and there is no triple A release that I can trust the major outlets to review objectively.

http://www.vg247.com...d-our-way-back/

(btw Bioware, you successfully broke through the review/publishing problem detailed in this article on vg247 with Origins - why not go back to that? DA2 is a product that is just dripping sodden with the sleaziest practices of the games industry. There is no free pass for DA3).

http://arstechnica.c...-journalism.ars

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 30 novembre 2011 - 02:53 .


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Consequence is that you can't buy games at release or even preorder. Ever. In the long run if the gaming industry keeps going that way they bite the hand that feeds them, because at some point even the last customer will realize that buying a game early will screw them over.

So, buy the game later, pay less, have a better clue what the game is about before you buy it.

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DA2 was hyped because it was to be the successor of the RPG of the year in many peoples minds (DA:O). For it to live up to the hype it had to be at least as good as the previous game. It wasn't. I will say the last 2 pieces of DLC moved a long way towards redeeming them, and gives me hope that DA3 will be a much better game.

This game was obviously rushed, which explains the repeated use of the same area over, and over again. I think EA will butt out of the development seeing as their influence did nothing for the franchise.

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For me I agree that DA2 is probably one of the more overhyped games this year; though I also agree that it is strange that the other major gaming titles like BF3, Gears 3, and Skyrim are also not on the list.

The reason for it is simple that gaming has become a bigger industry than even hollywood and as a result The Almight Dollar is what is most important to a lot of Developers and Publishers. This directs their markerting and PR departments towards obfuscating about their games in order to create hype and get high reviews.

The fact that Bioware's Marketing and PR dept sucks is pretty much the norm these days as sad as it is. It has been a long time since Bioware was one of the companies that puts quality before reviews, hype and money.
The ONLY major company that still does that is Blizzard; and they can only afford to do that because of the monster that is World of Warcraft. Without WoW Blizzard woulda gone outta business years ago.

It's a real shame that the industry is in the state it is in.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 30 novembre 2011 - 05:05 .


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Many on the forum are talking like EA and Bioware are two separate companies. They are not Bioware is a division of EA. The good doctors (Muzyka and Zeschuk) are still CEO and Vice-President of the division, which means that they had to approve of the plans for DA2. They have to agree to the budget and timetable that is presented to them by the development team.

Even if the President of EA came in and says do you think development of DA2 could be sped up the good doctors could have convinced him otherwise. Now, the good doctors could have went back to the development team and ask them if it could be done. if the team said yes then the team is to blame. If the doctors ordered the team to do it then the good doctors are to blame. If the President of EA said make it so then he is to blame. We can only speculate on what happened.

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Pygmali0n wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Pygmali0n wrote...

People are claiming they didn't see any hype for DA2? Just google 'DA2 review'.

I think some of the many paid-for reviews like this:

http://www.pcgamer.c...n-age-2-review/

is what you've missed. Fortunately the comments on the same page provide a helpful antidote.


I assume you have proof that EA paid for this review and other positive reviews?


I have eyes and a brain and there is no triple A release that I can trust the major outlets to review objectively.


So your proof is that you think it's paid off? That's still not proof. 

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Pygmali0n wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Pygmali0n wrote...

People are claiming they didn't see any hype for DA2? Just google 'DA2 review'.

I think some of the many paid-for reviews like this:

http://www.pcgamer.c...n-age-2-review/

is what you've missed. Fortunately the comments on the same page provide a helpful antidote.


I assume you have proof that EA paid for this review and other positive reviews?


I have eyes and a brain and there is no triple A release that I can trust the major outlets to review objectively.

http://www.vg247.com...d-our-way-back/

(btw Bioware, you successfully broke through the review/publishing problem detailed in this article on vg247 with Origins - why not go back to that? DA2 is a product that is just dripping sodden with the sleaziest practices of the games industry. There is no free pass for DA3).

http://arstechnica.c...-journalism.ars


Everyone has eyes and a brain, but proof is what proves the case. Everything else is speculation. So unless you saw money changing hands you are making an assumption. You can agree or not agree with a review that is your right.

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Skyrim is the most overhyped game in 2011.

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wijse wrote...

Skyrim is the most overhyped game in 2011.


Interesting...i guess that's why i am able to pile up 140+ hours in Skyrim so far without even finishing it yet(despite all bad things like UI , etc..), unlike in DA2 where i got sick to my stomach after barely 40.

Neverthless , i will rather fight Draugrs and dragons(at least they got some lore behind that), then some magicaly spawning, parashooting dwarves anonymous in same cave over and over again(oh no, i just described 60% of the DA:2  gameplay here).

For me DA: 2 is second worst dissapointment of 2011 (just barely after Gothic 4) with spineless main character, whinny and immature companions(thank good that you can resolve at least  Anders of his miserable existence in this game at certain point), monorailed unsatisfying story and Benny Hill type of Boss fight.

Some people can like it and more power to them,but that's how i have seen the game.

Modifié par tariq071, 01 décembre 2011 - 05:29 .