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[galesong1234]

****THIS CONTAINS SPOILERS***************

Sigh...I just  got done replaying 18 hours to make Goldanna my second to last quest.  My pc doesn't know if she is coming or going!?!

I have also heard the only way to end up with Alistair as an elf is by hardening him. 

My Character is Danish Elf Warrior.  100% approval with adore. I have put all my points into persuation and that is maxed out. And (thru my backtrack) I have left Zevran unromanced to see if Alistair will still have his jealousy speach.   

Thru orginal play thru I didn't harden Alistair. After getting the Ashes I went directly to Redcliffe to heal the Earl. Before Redcliffe.....Alistair was not harden....I had 100% approval with Love as the rating. We were so happy...sigh. Redcliffe...after the speach that Alistair needs to become king....I checked his approval...Still at 100%...but....OH SWOOPERS....instead of Love it read Neutral.....WTF.....Neutral...my pc was doomed....and I got the dialogue ....I don't want talk about it right now...but he was still calling me his love..and was happy to bed me. Hince, that is why I am going to harden him before healing the Earl.

Since my whole campaign is so screwed from restarts and backtracks I am going to try every possible outcome for my Danish Elf Warrior...I will post the results.

Modifié par galesong1234, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:23 .

[galesong1234]

Ok....so I hardened Alistair...and we did the tent scene....Someone had suggest taking off the armor before you go to camp...I did....it was so much better....especially the kissing problems.



Next, I clicked on the "What happens next?" - have to say the dialogue is so much more hopeful and happier...at least Alistair is fighting for the relationship....You can pick the As long as we care for each other or I won't let you go dialogue and get a really good responce.



Was very surprised when I picked...I don't know if we had a future dialogue...Alistair starts talking about Grey Wardens not being able to have children...we don't have to have children, etc. then you can pick I don't want to give up or one other one and have a hopeful responce...in which he says...you're worth it. Play around with it and pick your favorite responce.



I am going actually restart after the tent scene and see if Alistair will approach me on the what happens next subject on his own.

[galesong1234]

Was actually quite a sad momement when he says he gonna think for himself. Anyway if alistair becomes hardened he will comply with a 3some at the Pearl....You have to go to camp first where he iniates the tent scene. So...thru a little persuation.....he agrees for the 3some (doesn't show anything)...After the cut scene the Pirate ship captain ask if she could borrow Alistair....In which my pc replies...this will never happen again....In which Alistair replies...."Really!?!....Rats!" It's probably one of his funniest lines yet. It's worth doing just to watch it....however, I am not going to keep that part.

Modifié par galesong1234, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:24 .

[galesong1234]

Just got done getting the key from getting the key from Howe....DAO guide says to go thru Howe's room to avoid fighting guards if you used the disguise....Did this.



So I happen to accidentally pick Wynne and she starts a dialogue with me....



Wynn: You're quite taken with each other...

PC: Yes, quite

Wynne: Alistair is a fine lad......don't want to see him hurt.

PC: Are you saying I might hurt Alistair?

Wynne: No intentionally......

PC: Alistair doesn't want to be King

Wynne: ......but he's still a Grey Warden.....Can't afford to be selfish...

PC: Alistair & I can handle this

-or-

PC: You know about Alistair and me

W: Hard not to notice the doe eyed looks he gives you.....

PC: You're not the average old lady

W: Won't be makinging any socks

W: Noticing blossoming relationship....

PC: we're taking it one day at a time

W: Both are Grey Wardens....responsibilities supercede personnel desires

PC: I can handle responsibilities

W: Love is extremely selfish

PC: What do you know about love...

W: Know a great deal.....



and there are several other choices you can make....



A side note: Before I went to talke to Alistair sister...when I first got into Denerim....Wynne and Alistair were traveling companions...



Wynne struck up a cute monologue with Alistair about him looking at my pc's back end...it was pretty cute.

Modifié par galesong1234, 25 novembre 2009 - 04:24 .

[galesong1234]

On to rescue Anora....UR going to want to do a quick save before this because you won't have a chance to pick your favorite scenario....



While heading to front door you get intercepted....you can choose to talk your way out, fight your way out or surrender. If you surrender Anora is freed and you get stuck in the dungeon with Alistair in the Buff....sounds pretty good to me.....yummm....more peronal dialogue options with the both of you. So quick save....before you surrender...won't have time to reset.

[galesong1234]

Once in Dungeon...woke up and picked something about being locked up and don't want to do this again...It produced a better responce from Alistair...I picked we rescued ourselves....choose how you want to escape...the end result is the same. If you choose your companions to rescue you...I don't know the results...(please let me know).

Okay some big decisions....don't know why but I decided to go to talk to Wynne...she would be a great person to bounce problems off her in real life....She will encourage you about how hard it is to be a grey warden and what not...then I asked if she had changed her mind about alistair and pc...in so many words.....our relationship might not last long....but our love was pure and that is all that mattered....tragic stuff.

Modifié par galesong1234, 23 novembre 2009 - 08:18 .

[galesong1234]

Just finished game with three possible endings.....I am playing a Danish Female Elf Warrior



My most favorite ending....Alistair made me chancellor (support the King) where he seeks my advice on everything and I rule when he's not there....but I also chose to go be with the Grey Wardens as well which meant that Alistair left court to go rebuild the grey wardens....he left with his love never to leave her side again...well...except to make a shrine for Duncan.



Very hard to get to this point though as I replayed and restarted many times.....Save as often as you can....because there will be times when you can't....



1. Had to harden him....happens when talk to Goldanna (his sister)...I did this before Landsmeet quest. Landsmeet was my last quest before battle. I picked to things.....Something about is this who you thought your sister was...and people are selfish....(I felt bad for doing this at first). However, hardened Alistair will fight for the relationship..not weak gullable Alistair.



You need 100 points love and maxed persuation for Landsmeet.



2. Finally do Landsmeet.....I did this my first round by mistake....(I have the Strategy Guide for tips and suggestions)....I was trying to make anora queen without me suggesting it...however....Alistair won all but one vote when I made the arguments and he became king.....I was so not looking forward to the dumping scene.



Positive Influence...talk to anora and tell you support her even if you don't ...bonus for rescuing Oswyne from Howes Torturers during "Rescue Queen"......also rescue Irminric in Howe's dungeon and give the ring to Alstanna in the tavern in Denarim...and before you release Vaughn (the jerk from CIty Elf) make him vote for you before you say you will release him.



Confronting Loghain.....Talk about Blight...or who betrayed Ferelden....after this I focused on what not to do during debate......Never bring up Cailan to die....don't talk about about making Alistair king....which I didn't even want to suggest....when you talk to anora before landsmeet don't tell her you think Loghain should die.



If all goes well Alistair will be king....then it will instantly go into the I love you but I'm king dumping scene. I picked....We don't have to grow old together....Nobody can force the king..and Perhaps you should do what pleases you for once dialogue options...Alistair will reply with Dam them all and I feel like such an idiot for even bringing it up, please forgive me...I replied with You'll have to earn it.



Oh yeah.....Loghain will not just give up you will have to fight him to the death...I sent in Alistair so there would be no way for Alistair to wed Anora....Anora won't marry her father's murderer.



Bingo...you are now his mistress. Alistair Completely and unconditionally loves you and will do anything to keep you. If you want him or you to live....he'll have to bed Morrigan.



If you don't it makes for a great tragedy.....Tragedy #1....I leave Alistair behind in final battle...and you get some lame Eulogy, a Statue and so on....I did it just to see how distraut Alistair would be without me. Sad, but not sad enough for me.



Tragedy #2 and the most tragic.....If you take him with you he will sacrifice himself to save you....I tried every dialogue option to get my pc to take the fall with Alistair present....He gives his life not matter what....but if you pick....But this is insane.....you will at least begiven a final romantic kiss and his undying love before he dies.



This is probably too much information....but it takes a lot of work to get to this point...major backtracking.

[cedardryad]

Hah, I wish I red this earlier. It seemed that I did all I could do after hardening him up even bringing up the same responses you did, but he still lost interest.

[Forsakerr]

i choose you use capslock less often

[galesong1234]

cedardryad wrote...

Hah, I wish I red this earlier. It seemed that I did all I could do after hardening him up even bringing up the same responses you did, but he still lost interest.

 
My coersion was maxed out and I put a lot of points into cunning.  That probably made the difference.

[oneword]

with all these new informations finally I know how to play through all this

thank you!

[Lucy Glitter]

I just told Anora to be queen.

[cedardryad]

I had my coercion all the way up. i made sure of that. I think it's mainly because I didn't pick the "You're king, no one can tell you what to do." option. I reloaded and picked all the others, but not that one.



I played it once where we survived and he and Anora seemed to be pretty happy together, lame,

Now I'm doing it where he sacrifices himself because I'm peeved. Then I'll do the other ending.

After that I'm reloading the previous save, which was 12 hours before that, sigh, and going for the mistress thing. I never wanted to be queen anyways.

[taxtell]

I wonder, does a lot of the 'regular' dialogue change when you harden him?

[stuartpierce]

I played an elf mage. I didn't know anything about hardening Alistair -- I don't remember what I said during the Goldanna quest. I didn't feel like Alistair really wanted to be king, and I didn't think my PC was the type to shirk on an agreement, so I let Anora be queen. I offered to let Alistair be her husband, but he said I was too important, so I said to forget about it. I had 100% approval with Alistair.
After the coronation I got dialog like:

I was so scared that I might lose you,
At any rate, I can't wait to be alone with you.
I'll be wherever you are, so long as you'll have me. And quite frankly, I can't think of anything better than that.

Then I got some sad news at the very end before the credits.

Alistair remained in Denerim with his love for a time, much to Queen Anora's discomfort. He was eventually called to the far-off fortress at Weisshaupt, the home of the Grey Wardens, and swore he would return to his lover's side soon.

Hey, I would never have let him go off alone!

Modifié par stuartpierce, 25 novembre 2009 - 07:56 .

[galesong1234]

taxtell wrote...

I wonder, does a lot of the 'regular' dialogue change when you harden him?

It seems to be a major component. Talked to another Poster (See "How-To-Guide 4 Happy Ending with Alistair Playing An Elf" for details) and she didn't harden Alistair. What we noticed is that certain options didn't even come up.

If you harden Al...He will except his duty as king and you won't even get the chance to elect Anora.  She goes to tower and it jumps directly to the "I love you but I'm King" dumping scene.

Unhardened Al...you get to play the Anora Card.


Major dialogue changes came when you choose...."Where do you see this going" question.  Unhardened Al says he loves you before won't forsake duty.  Hardened Al says he won't let you get away and he'll doing anything to make it work.

I'm now playing a new character...Human Female Rogue.  Have to tell you, it's going to be hard not to harden him. Al was so much more impassioned and it opened quite a lot of dialogue options. Besides when you harden Al, you only feel bad for just a bit, he is so will to risk it all to be with you.

Modifié par galesong1234, 26 novembre 2009 - 08:25 .

[mopotter]

OK, I like the game a lot and will be playing until ME2 comes out and I adore Alistair, but this has been the biggest disappointment of any game I've played by BioWare. I wanted at least one ending where I get Alistair, he doesn't spend the night with witch girl and neither of us die, until we are old and ready to go the way all wardens who live long enough go. Unless I'm missing something - please tell me I'm missing something.



I can tell this play thru my mage is going to be upset becuase he's with me.

[galesong1234]

mopotter wrote...

OK, I like the game a lot and will be playing until ME2 comes out and I adore Alistair, but this has been the biggest disappointment of any game I've played by BioWare. I wanted at least one ending where I get Alistair, he doesn't spend the night with witch girl and neither of us die, until we are old and ready to go the way all wardens who live long enough go. Unless I'm missing something - please tell me I'm missing something.

I can tell this play thru my mage is going to be upset becuase he's with me.

I guess it depends on what you would consider a happy ending. We have it far better than the guys in my opinion.

Human Female Noble: Possible Scenarios

1. Alistair Rules Alone- pretty much this means mistress and go off to be with the grey wardens where he never leaves your side...I think you might also be able to get Chancellor in this one.  (This will be your most happiest ending as a non-human pc).
2. Alistair Rules with Anora - May or may not marry her....but she is stil another woman to share Al with. You still have the chance to be his mistress. Suggestion, make sure you have Al kill Loghain and there will never be a chance of Al getting together with Anora. If you let Loghain live, Al will leave you no matter what.
3. Al rules with human noble female pc - You get to become queen and hopefully Al is still in love with you.
4. Anora rules alone - and you go ride into sunset as grey wardens for the remainder of your lives.

If you don't make Al king you will be stuck with an epilogue box after final battle even if you have Al sleep with Morrigan.  And you will have Anora honoring you. If you make Al king...you get some nice followup flirting and he gets to bestow upon you your hearts desire. For me..Al must always get to be king that way I get to see him one last time in game.

To harden Alistair or not harden Alistair:
If you choose not to harden Alistair it will be much harder to persuade Al to become king and make you his queen. It's not impossible just need some really good coersion and cunning stats...As well as a 100% approval rating from Al (love). Unharden Al is sweet and can't seem to make up his mind about anything. That includes him fighting for you and your love.
If you choose to harden Alistair it will be easier to talk him into just about anything and you won't need as high of stats to do it. Plus, you will notice that the dialogue choices will change...he will declare is love for you more and is much more willing to fight for your love. That alone might be worth it to harden Al.

None Human Female PC (Elf and Dwarf)
1. Includes all of the above....except you will never become queen. Not an option. best bet would be to become Chancellor and co-rule if you want. 
2. Your chance of happiness is slim to none unless you choose to harden Al. Not impossible...but it would take some serious work.

Sleeping with Morrigan
1. You both get to live for 30 more years
2. She hates Alistair and Alistair hates her
3. The only reason Al would even consider sleeping with her is because he loves you and trusts your decision.
4. I think she was telling the truth when she said that she would cherish your friendship (said during final battle)

The Nicolas Sparks Ending
Worth doing if you want to have that tragic romeo/juliet ending. Hint ....having Al give his life for you is much more romantic than you giving your life.  The only way to keep Al safe is to keep him behind.  Because if he goes and he is 100% love approval, he won't let you end your life.

Several Posters have had different endings if you sacrifise yourself.  But basically you get a statue in your name at the New Grey Wardens place.

Guys Ending with Morrigan...You spend whole game romancing her to get her into bed...she gets preagnate with god child and leaves their butts behind.

The Blight makes for hard times in a hard world.  Perhaps you won't have the most perfect happy ending with Alistair.  But lets face it....any ending that you get to be with Alistair is better than none. Take what you can get, make the best of it. Your time together will be short.

Modifié par galesong1234, 28 novembre 2009 - 10:04 .

[galesong1234]

Sorry for errors in my text. It is late and I am typing fast to get it all down.

[galesong1234]

Correction to above posting. According to stuartpierce's post, they got to talk to Alistair at end of game when Anora was crowned queen. But have also talked to others and they only received the epilogue box. There is just some many options...guess why they call it Origins. It's what you make it.

[mopotter]

galesong1234 wrote...

Correction to above posting. According to stuartpierce's post, they got to talk to Alistair at end of game when Anora was crowned queen. But have also talked to others and they only received the epilogue box. There is just some many options...guess why they call it Origins. It's what you make it.

Thanks galesong,  I'm just fussing. 

I play video games, read books, watch movies for fun and for me this leaves a cold place in my heart.   If there was one more ending where everyone or at least the main character has a chance to live "happily ever after"  I would happily play all of the endings knowing that when I'm depressed or sad, I could play the happy ending.   Darn you Cinderella you cursed me as a child.  I'm very shallow that way.  I've even been known to check out the ending of a book before reading it.  

Oh well.  I'll play and enjoy and then move on.  Again thanks very much for  your input.  It is a good game, but I have to say that I probably won't be playing
it for 2 years or even longer (I still play Jade Empire and KOTOR and
even pull out BG once in a while) .  I'll use your information on some
of the play throughs, it's going to be a great help.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

[MICHELLE7]

mopotter wrote...

OK, I like the game a lot and will be playing until ME2 comes out and I adore Alistair, but this has been the biggest disappointment of any game I've played by BioWare. I wanted at least one ending where I get Alistair, he doesn't spend the night with witch girl and neither of us die, until we are old and ready to go the way all wardens who live long enough go. Unless I'm missing something - please tell me I'm missing something.

I can tell this play thru my mage is going to be upset becuase he's with me.

I have to agree with you...this wasn't a dark fantasy it was a depressing one.

Reality seems to be the "in" thing in games right now....but personally I prefer my games, movies, and tv programs to be a little less realistic. We get enough of that in life...why not have happy endings in our entertainment.

And I don't think that the females got it better than males...no woman wants her man to sleep with another woman for whatever reason. If they were going to continue with their "realism" feel the ending would read..."And the female pc looked at Alistair and all she could think about was the night he spent with Morrigan and the two of them broke up and went their seperate ways."

I took the stupid bargain to keep him alive and chose Anora queen...it seemd to fit who he really was anyway(he didn't really want to be King)...since we're doing the realism thing.

Considering all the flack about ME2 I'm not sure It'll be any better. ME was fantastic but since ME2 is supposed to be "dark" as well...some are worried that it'll take the same turn as DAO. Guess I'll find out then...I'm pre-ordered and paid in full.

[galesong1234]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

OK, I like the game a lot and will be playing until ME2 comes out and I adore Alistair, but this has been the biggest disappointment of any game I've played by BioWare. I wanted at least one ending where I get Alistair, he doesn't spend the night with witch girl and neither of us die, until we are old and ready to go the way all wardens who live long enough go. Unless I'm missing something - please tell me I'm missing something.

I can tell this play thru my mage is going to be upset becuase he's with me.

I have to agree with you...this wasn't a dark fantasy it was a depressing one.

Reality seems to be the "in" thing in games right now....but personally I prefer my games, movies, and tv programs to be a little less realistic. We get enough of that in life...why not have happy endings in our entertainment.

And I don't think that the females got it better than males...no woman wants her man to sleep with another woman for whatever reason. If they were going to continue with their "realism" feel the ending would read..."And the female pc looked at Alistair and all she could think about was the night he spent with Morrigan and the two of them broke up and went their seperate ways."

I took the stupid bargain to keep him alive and chose Anora queen...it seemd to fit who he really was anyway(he didn't really want to be King)...since we're doing the realism thing.

Considering all the flack about ME2 I'm not sure It'll be any better. ME was fantastic but since ME2 is supposed to be "dark" as well...some are worried that it'll take the same turn as DAO. Guess I'll find out then...I'm pre-ordered and paid in full.

I tend to agree with you about happy endings in my entertainment.  But somedays I need a good cry as well. What Can I say....I loved Romeo and Juliet. Was thinking that DAO origin was onto something good especially for us girls.  At this point I hope that Bioware has read our many postings....and there's been plenty...so that they might give us more dialogue options and happier endings that don't include sharing our guy with someone else in DAO2.

I have  not played ME1 (is that Mass Effects you're talking about?)

[mopotter]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

mopotter wrote...

OK, I like the game a lot and will be playing until ME2 comes out and I adore Alistair, but this has been the biggest disappointment of any game I've played by BioWare. I wanted at least one ending where I get Alistair, he doesn't spend the night with witch girl and neither of us die, until we are old and ready to go the way all wardens who live long enough go. Unless I'm missing something - please tell me I'm missing something.

I can tell this play thru my mage is going to be upset becuase he's with me.

I have to agree with you...this wasn't a dark fantasy it was a depressing one.

Reality seems to be the "in" thing in games right now....but personally I prefer my games, movies, and tv programs to be a little less realistic. We get enough of that in life...why not have happy endings in our entertainment.

And I don't think that the females got it better than males...no woman wants her man to sleep with another woman for whatever reason. If they were going to continue with their "realism" feel the ending would read..."And the female pc looked at Alistair and all she could think about was the night he spent with Morrigan and the two of them broke up and went their seperate ways."

I took the stupid bargain to keep him alive and chose Anora queen...it seemd to fit who he really was anyway(he didn't really want to be King)...since we're doing the realism thing.

Considering all the flack about ME2 I'm not sure It'll be any better. ME was fantastic but since ME2 is supposed to be "dark" as well...some are worried that it'll take the same turn as DAO. Guess I'll find out then...I'm pre-ordered and paid in full.

I also took the bargain, and chose Anora as Queen.  I didn't tell him about the baby and I agree, if we were doing real reality the relationship would be over.  Not only will he be compairing my character to witch girl, but when he finds out she had his child he's going to be "unhappy" with the fact my character didn't tell him.

I think a guy wrote this part.  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]  girlfriend sends her guy to another girl for a one night stand to save his life.

I haven't finished the game as a guy yet, but it definately does not sound any better. 

I'm also worried a bit about ME2.  That's one I've been playing for the last 2 years since it came out and I have sacrificed my love interest a few times, saved him and had no love interest.  I am just hoping for the best and trying not to think about the worst, and I also preorderd. 

And I do like the game.  But after I've played all the roles I just don't think it will be the one I go to when I'm looking for a fun time.  

Modifié par mopotter, 28 novembre 2009 - 05:18 .

[mopotter]

galesong1234 wrote...

I tend to agree with you about happy endings in my entertainment.  But somedays I need a good cry as well. What Can I say....I loved Romeo and Juliet. Was thinking that DAO origin was onto something good especially for us girls.  At this point I hope that Bioware has read our many postings....and there's been plenty...so that they might give us more dialogue options and happier endings that don't include sharing our guy with someone else in DAO2.

I have  not played ME1 (is that Mass Effects you're talking about?)

I don't mind crying in a game.  My husband laughs at me (in a good way), but when I was playing ME I cried a couple of times becuase of the choices I made.  But I also had the option of not making those choices and having a great ending. 

Another ending without sending Allistar to see witch girl and still be able to survive together would be very nice.  And more dialoge is always welcome.  I adore Allistair and could listen to him read the dictionary and be totally happy.  :happy: 

I enjoyed ME (Mass Effect) a lot.  It didn't have enough dialoge but the story was good and I liked the characters.