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Zaprhudar wrote...

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I read alot of this thread (thank you for all the time and effort!), but what I would like to know is this: why after Alistair's jealous talk.."Pick Zev or me" does he then remark after to my question 'Where is this relationship going?" so negatively? I received a disapproval rating any way I chose dialog played it after I asked him that.

Any thoughts?



Is he hardened?  (God that sounds so bad!)


If he's not hardened, Alistair can't handle permanence since he'll choose duty over love.  If he's hardened, he'll be more selfish.


LOL!!! That's what she said!  (sorry, couldn't help myself) 

But no he's not *ahem* hardened...tee hee!  So basically it will be difficult for me to get love out of him now that he is not...er hardened?  Should I just say...forget it all and go with Zev?  LOL?

Or do I stick it out with Alistair?




Depends.  Are you a Cousland?  Or a mage/non-human?

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I am a rogue human noble

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Stick with the prince. He'll stick with the Cousland girl (human noble).

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Hi all
For all sad Alistair's fangirls, who want to become his Queen and don't want to be Human Noble there's mod named " I Shall Be a Queen" ( or something like that) on www.dragonagenexus.com
Have fun with Ali :)



Good to see you. Found the website but not the mod.


Well it's not mod exactly, it's a manual how to become Queen, if You play something different than Human Noble. Thing is, You have to modify your save file right before You will enter to Landsmeet Chamber. Just after talk/fight with ser Cautrien, save game, quit from DA:O. Then:
-Open save game ( this one before Landsmeet. It's usually landsmeet.das)  file with toolset
-find Savegame_Partylist, click "+"
-then find there Savegame_Plotmanager and then open Savegame_Plot_list
-You should see a lot of numbers from 1 to about 1000
-find 870 number..it will be start point..open it and check if there is SAVEGAME_PLOT_GUID C9736A91F42440758E570D9ECD796597
-if not, open 871 etc, keep searching as long as You will find SAVEGAME_PLOT_GUID C9736A91F42440758E570D9ECD796597
-if You will find correct SAVEGAME_PLOT_GUID edit  SAVEGAME_PLOT_FLAGS_1 to 384
-save changes and start yours game again. You should have option " Alistair will be King and I will be his Queen" or whatever it's in game ( sorry I don't remember this phrase in english). Remember You still HAVE TO be in romance with Alistair have high wiliness and high enough cunning skill to become his Queen.
( All thanks for Zalzama)
Original mod is here:
http://www.dragonage.../file.php?id=74

have good fun and Happy New Year for all


Thanks for the intel...as always you're a pro at this. Posted Image

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Sialater wrote...

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But Han Solo was so adorable after he was thawed out.  He is one of my favorite scoundrels.  If Joker wouldn't crumble when you hugged him, he would make a great romanceable Scoundrel.Posted Image


I have a feeling that if Joker were romanceable, my Shepard's devotion to Kaidan would finally be tested.  None of the new party members appeal to me, personally, if the descriptions of their "questionable moral fiber" are correct.  I tend to play paladin type characters, and I enjoy romancing "good" guys like Kaidan (or Alistair!!!), but, but...it's Seth Green.  And he's all sarcastic and funny, and an underdog.  Yep, that will be tough.


Well, only his legs were fragile.  The rest of him was normal.

Oooh, Joker V. Kaiden?  I know at least one person who's dumping Kaiden.  (Not me, a friend of mine.)


The serious side of me loves Kaidan but the bag girl in me likes the sarcasm of Joker.  And Kaiden hardened is just too serious and mean.Posted Image

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Zaprhudar wrote...

I read alot of this thread (thank you for all the time and effort!), but what I would like to know is this: why after Alistair's jealous talk.."Pick Zev or me" does he then remark after to my question 'Where is this relationship going?" so negatively? I received a disapproval rating any way I chose dialog played it after I asked him that.

Any thoughts?



Are you talking about the dialogue option "where is this relationship going" after you sleep with Alistair.  Or just the dialogue when Alistair asks you to choose him or Zev.

If you your taling about the dialogue when Alsitair ask you to choose between  him or Zev...

Well first, when he ask you he wants to talk you can't put him off. he get's upset if you do. Secondly, Alistair wants to be your one and only. He actaully screamed at me when I asked if I could have him and Zev both.

Anyways, you'll get a point or two if you answer him right away, tell him that there's nothing between you and Zev and that you choose him. You can ask him to tell you how he feels about you first but you will get better points if you tell him how you feel.


Rule of thumb for Alistair. Let him take the lead. This is funny as he can't seem to make a decision if his life depended on it.  But what I mean is.....if Alistair is serious, you need to talk to him seriously. And if Alistiar is teasing than so can you. Never joke about Duncan, his feelings toward you and his virginity. Bad, Bad, Bad.

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Zaprhudar wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Zaprhudar wrote...

I read alot of this thread (thank you for all the time and effort!), but what I would like to know is this: why after Alistair's jealous talk.."Pick Zev or me" does he then remark after to my question 'Where is this relationship going?" so negatively? I received a disapproval rating any way I chose dialog played it after I asked him that.

Any thoughts?



Is he hardened?  (God that sounds so bad!)


If he's not hardened, Alistair can't handle permanence since he'll choose duty over love.  If he's hardened, he'll be more selfish.


LOL!!! That's what she said!  (sorry, couldn't help myself) 

But no he's not *ahem* hardened...tee hee!  So basically it will be difficult for me to get love out of him now that he is not...er hardened?  Should I just say...forget it all and go with Zev?  LOL?

Or do I stick it out with Alistair?



That would depend what pc you are playing.  If you are playing a non-human and you've already talked with Alistair's  sister your only choice is to make Anora queen to stay with Alistair.

However, if you are playing as a human noble you have a few choices.  You can make Anora queen and run off and do the grey warden ending or you can make Alistair king and you queen. Neither of these options require for our boy Alistair to be hardened. He can be as limp as a wet noodle for those two options. All puns intended. Posted Image


However, if you make Alistair King (playing as a human noble or non-human) and you be his mistress, he will not stay with you unless he is hardened. This also requires high persuade and cunning as well as some good dialogue choices to make him see the light. 

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Shavon wrote...

Ok, that's it,I am getting this thing on PC!



Getting what thing on PC? DAO or ME?

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DA:O. Mods supposedly afftect the save transfers from ME1 to ME2, and since it seems as if there will be enough problems already, we'll just be leaving that one alone.



I've been having trouble w/ DA:O on my xbox, glitches, etc. Found out I built my rogue wrong, needed to use my online profile to get the dlc's, so I started the game over, and someone spoiled to me that the elf can't marry Alistair and become queen :( My poor city elf. I want that queen mod :P, after all she's been through, she deserves a happy ending

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Shavon wrote...

DA:O. Mods supposedly afftect the save transfers from ME1 to ME2, and since it seems as if there will be enough problems already, we'll just be leaving that one alone.

I've been having trouble w/ DA:O on my xbox, glitches, etc. Found out I built my rogue wrong, needed to use my online profile to get the dlc's, so I started the game over, and someone spoiled to me that the elf can't marry Alistair and become queen :( My poor city elf. I want that queen mod :P, after all she's been through, she deserves a happy ending


She can still have a happy ending; she can even marry Alistair.  She just can't be queen.  

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Thanks for the intel...as always you're a pro at this. Posted Image

Im glad that I could help. This mod really works and all my PC females ( elven mage, elven allienage, human mage and dwarf noble) are able to become  a Queen. This, and the fact that I can avoid dark ritual makes me more happy from my game :) ( Also I have finally cheat which allow me to keep my  DavethPosted Image with me by the rest of game....without  dialogs etc but still...)

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ejoslin wrote...

Shavon wrote...

DA:O. Mods supposedly afftect the save transfers from ME1 to ME2, and since it seems as if there will be enough problems already, we'll just be leaving that one alone.

I've been having trouble w/ DA:O on my xbox, glitches, etc. Found out I built my rogue wrong, needed to use my online profile to get the dlc's, so I started the game over, and someone spoiled to me that the elf can't marry Alistair and become queen :( My poor city elf. I want that queen mod :P, after all she's been through, she deserves a happy ending


She can still have a happy ending; she can even marry Alistair.  She just can't be queen.  


You can also be Alistair's Chancellor where he looks to you for all his advice ane you rule when he is away.Posted Image

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The serious side of me loves Kaidan but the bag girl in me likes the sarcasm of Joker.  And Kaiden hardened is just too serious and mean.Posted Image


Honestly I don't know that we'll get Joker as a LI in ME2. Seth Green in one of his interviews said something about Joker's only girlfriend begin a computer(ship...whatever). The thing is he's been wanting to do a part with Tricai Helfer for years and now she plays the ships on board VI (or maybe she'll turn out to be an AI). I think they said she spies for Cerebus and I think that at least at first Joker doesn't trust or like her very much.

Kaidan can still be soft towards you when he's hardened. I'm not fond of him that way but I'm glad I've got a few saves of him that way. I was wondering how his character would be different in ME2 from the non-hardened version.

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:oWhoops! Due to technical difficulties this post was posted twice. My bad.

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 30 décembre 2009 - 11:09 .


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Ok, which dialogue hardens Kaiden? I've played that game 100s of times and I've never seen anything like it.

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Ok, which dialogue hardens Kaiden? I've played that game 100s of times and I've never seen anything like it.


www.youtube.com/watch

The first part of the video shows you how to harden him (I think ). You pick some of the renegade choices in the conversation and eventually come to a place where he'll say you're pretty damn persuasive Shepard. That's when you know you have him hardened. I've seen another video where someone tried it and wound up breaking up with him. I saved before I tried it just to make sure I could do it.

You essentially turn him into am alien hater. I don't really like him that way, but if you're playing as a renegade it's easier. He doesn't question all your decisions as much. He even tells you that you did the right thing after you kill the Rachni Queen instead of saying he thinks you should have left it up to the council if you'd had a choice.

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Yennne wrote...
although he chose duty over his love, he still had feelings for her and even died to save her.


If you dont "harden" him, when you ask him after the sex scene how he sees you 2 going on, he will give you some totally lame one-night-stand excuse about duty and honor driving you apart. Basically he screws you and dumps you like a hot potato first time he get a chance.
Then he dumps you again in favor of some *eventual* future queen and getting *eventual* future heir that could be just a frigment of his imagination since he is tainted too, so no heirs guarantee. But he still dumps you *now* because of eventual future events.

Then suddenly he forgets all his duty and honor and queens and heirs and his land and people, and goes off to get himself killed over you.
So very consistant.

After 7th playthrough and all possible endings and convo options I cant even imagine falling for that weakling anymore.





Or you can always choose the "I won't let you go, no matter what." option after the tent scene with a non-hardened Alistair. He responds with, "All right, I think I can handle that." or something to that effect - no drama, no hint of future dumping, etc. You're trying to use one line to justify bashing Alistair with after getting dumped, when there's clearly another dialogue option there.

Say what you want, but I think the non-hardened Alistair was really trying to do his duty if you force him into becoming king. So what if he changes his mind later? It's pretty clear during the break-up that he does love the PC and that he's making a painful/difficult decision. In the end, his love for the PC wins out (assuming you do not go through with Morrigan's ritual), and it's tragic but not inconsistent with what he really feels in my opinion. I remember one of his lines involving him realizing what an idiot he'd been before he sacrifices himself - you know, he basically admits that he loves the PC enough to give up everything for her.

He's hardly weak - if he were, he'd have curled up into a ball after Ostagar and sucked on his thumb for the rest of the game. Instead, he deals with it, even if he does have his mopey moments.

** EDIT: Belated my bad on that - I got the immediate post-tent dialogue mixed up with the "Where do you see this going between us?" thingy. OOPS! In the interests of accuracy let me get this ALL straight.

Immediately after sleeping together:

Alistair: So...What now? Where do we go from here?
PC: We stay together no matter what happens.
Alistair: Right. I can handle that. I hope.
Alistair: Before we go, have I told you that I love you? I did? Well, it won't kill you to hear it again, will it?

As for the "Where do you see this going between us?" dialogue:

PC: Where do you see this thing going between us?
Alistair: Wow, you don't hold back on the hard questions, huh?
Alistair: I don't know where this is going. We have the Blight to think of, first, don't we? Everything else seems so...distant.
PC: I won't let you go, Alistair, no matter what.
Alistair: Let's hope we have that option.
Alistair: This isn't really the time for this conversation. Please, let's just talk about this another time.

Still think he doesn't sound wish-washy after the tent scene, so I'm satisfied. And he doesn't sound overly dramatic in the other scene (if you go with "I won't let you go...").

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Of course I can answer You but...You need to be a cheater ( and I know that a lot of ppl hate it)... There are two different ways for that and I checked them both ( and it worked for me).

Firts way

After talks with Riordan about sacrifice, Go outsdie Riordan's room. Now You have to use cheat like runscript zz_addparty Loghain ( it will add Loghain to yours team). Go back to Riordan's room and You should have dialog with Loghain about sacrifice..tell him that You will be glad if he will sacrifice himself :D . Talk with Morrigan, tell her that there will be no deal. Keep Loghain with You to the end of game. After killing Archdemon You will still have scene where yours PC killing Archdemon but at the end all Grey Wardens survived.

Second way
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Looks like last checkpoint for main story is a door to the top of the Fort where You will fight against Archdemon. Simple trick is just NOT enter on the roof via door but just use another console option such: runscript zz_cli_debug then choose JUMP TO AN AREA -> JUMP TO DENERIM -> ON THE ROOF OF FORT DRAKON. That will allow You to enter into finall battle without passing door and without checkpoint. At the end You both survive and Alistair even havn't idea about Morrigan's ritual ( he said something like " looks like Riordan was wrong" or something like it, )


Curse my xbox360!!! If only I had a pc, I would do the second option in a heart beat.

I detested having to choose between him dying or him sleeping with Morrigan. I have completed both endings on the same character and was happier having him alive but I still felt like a heel for talking him into the ritual. Not to mention giving Morrigan an old god baby!

Now to finish reading the rest of the thread!

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MICHELLE7 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...



The serious side of me loves Kaidan but the bag girl in me likes the sarcasm of Joker.  And Kaiden hardened is just too serious and mean.Posted Image


Honestly I don't know that we'll get Joker as a LI in ME2. Seth Green in one of his interviews said something about Joker's only girlfriend begin a computer(ship...whatever). The thing is he's been wanting to do a part with Tricai Helfer for years and now she plays the ships on board VI (or maybe she'll turn out to be an AI). I think they said she spies for Cerebus and I think that at least at first Joker doesn't trust or like her very much.

Kaidan can still be soft towards you when he's hardened. I'm not fond of him that way but I'm glad I've got a few saves of him that way. I was wondering how his character would be different in ME2 from the non-hardened version.


I actually saw that inteview on Youtube.  It will make for some witty side dialogue though.

Have noticed with Kaiden hardened (smile) is much like Alistair hardened.  He's not afraid to speak up about his feelings for you. This is good.  I think he is a little more flirtatious.  However, he is a tad bit too ruthless for even my bad girl tasts.

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

Yennne wrote...
although he chose duty over his love, he still had feelings for her and even died to save her.


If you dont "harden" him, when you ask him after the sex scene how he sees you 2 going on, he will give you some totally lame one-night-stand excuse about duty and honor driving you apart. Basically he screws you and dumps you like a hot potato first time he get a chance.
Then he dumps you again in favor of some *eventual* future queen and getting *eventual* future heir that could be just a frigment of his imagination since he is tainted too, so no heirs guarantee. But he still dumps you *now* because of eventual future events.

Then suddenly he forgets all his duty and honor and queens and heirs and his land and people, and goes off to get himself killed over you.
So very consistant.

After 7th playthrough and all possible endings and convo options I cant even imagine falling for that weakling anymore.





Or you can always choose the "I won't let you go, no matter what." option after the tent scene with a non-hardened Alistair. He responds with, "All right, I think I can handle that." or something to that effect - no drama, no hint of future dumping, etc. You're trying to use one line to justify bashing Alistair with after getting dumped, when there's clearly another dialogue option there.

Say what you want, but I think the non-hardened Alistair was really trying to do his duty if you force him into becoming king. So what if he changes his mind later? It's pretty clear during the break-up that he does love the PC and that he's making a painful/difficult decision. In the end, his love for the PC wins out (assuming you do not go through with Morrigan's ritual), and it's tragic but not inconsistent with what he really feels in my opinion. I remember one of his lines involving him realizing what an idiot he'd been before he sacrifices himself - you know, he basically admits that he loves the PC enough to give up everything for her.

He's hardly weak - if he were, he'd have curled up into a ball after Ostagar and sucked on his thumb for the rest of the game. Instead, he deals with it, even if he does have his mopey moments.


Totally, 100 percent agree.

Here's just a sample of some of this dialogue.

Alistair Dumping Dialogue....

1) I've thought of nothing else...(since Landsmeet)
2) I love you. More than I ever thought possible, but...I have to face what this means....
3) I could see it becoming very hard to tear myself away from you. Impossible even.
4) If this is what it must be....
5) You think it wasn't hard for me....It's not.
6) I love you. I'll always love you. But there are things that are more important than what I want. I wish it were otherwise.
7) We have a job to do. So please lets focus on that. Thinking about you is just too painful and too tempting.

Makes you melt like butter.  Have to say that I would follow him to kill the Archdemon. We could make the  final blow together.

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Happy New Year to everyone. May it be.....Better!

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galesong1234 wrote...

I actually saw that inteview on Youtube.  It will make for some witty side dialogue though.

Have noticed with Kaiden hardened (smile) is much like Alistair hardened.  He's not afraid to speak up about his feelings for you. This is good.  I think he is a little more flirtatious.  However, he is a tad bit too ruthless for even my bad girl tasts.


:DIt's the hair I find so similar. Not quite the same style but definitely the same shape.

As far as personality is concerned I don't find them similar at all...Kaidan's much more mature but then his character is 32 and a disciplined soldier so maybe that makes the difference. Some people wanted to say that Kaidan was a whiner but I never thought that. He simply told his story in my opinion. Some of those same people at least were willing to say it was only because he reminded them of Carth from Knights of the Old Republic (same actor voices both characters). I did however find Alistair whiney at times especially when he goes on about losing Duncan and you're playing a human noble...you just lost both parents and he's whining over losing someone he really hasn't known for all that long.

As far as Kaidan being too ruthless...it didn't appeal to me either but it probably was meant as a match for the much darker renegade Shepard. She/He kills, hits, threatens with ease and is sometimes just downright evil.  I just recently played the Noveria mission as a renegade and for the first time had Anolies kill Gianna(they both die) and get the pass off the dead body. I thought that was a particularly corrupt way of doing it but if you're going to play renegade I guess it's the best way to go. Nice Kaidan just doesn't fit that well with that type of Shepard.

I really wonder if whether or not you harden him will determine his character in ME2 and ME3...or if his character will revert back to nice Kaidan. I just wonder how much of your choices were taken into account?

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Okay, this has to be some of the wackiest dialogue I have ran into. Must be a glitch.

I'm playing female human noble warrior. I just finished the Orzommar quest (last one then off the to talk to Arl Eamon about Landsmeet). I'm in a intimate relationship with Alistair. I turned down Zevran, but I accidentally left the dialogue option open that says, "Do you always look at people like that?" Which left me open to renew a relationship with Zev. Zev's next response would have been what about Alistair, so I left it alone and haven't talked to Zev since then.

So here's the weird part. I'm talking to Sten (gave him his sword) and Lelianna comes up and asks me about Zevran. I tell her that he's a nice guy and that she could join us (she doesn't seem to realize that I am sleeping with Alistair). This is so strange...I picked that response so maybe she would just hook up with Zev. Lelianna wasn't interested. So her next response is, "looks like you want to talk"..(sten is still standing right next to us. Usually they are in their own spots), I ask her about her bard lover (can't remember her name) anyway as the dialogue progresses she tells me she loves me...and that she'll talk to me later. Her meter was on warm and at least 30 points away from 100 originally same with Sten. So then I decide to check there meters Sten is 100 percent friendly; Morrigan is 100 percent friendly; Zevran is 68 percent interested; Wyne is about 65 percent warm; Alistair is 100 pecent in love and so now is Lelianna 100 percent in love with pc. So I left them and went to talk to Alistair.


This is the most interesting and strangest dialogue yet...from Alistair.
As soon as I click on Alistair, he starts spouting off...."So this might seem a little strange, but I havce to ask you something...It's personal. I'm wondering about Zevran. It seems that you two have become quite friendly."

I tell him there's nothing going on and he replies that he's the luckiest man...blah, blah, blah...then...

In the same breath Alistair asks... "What about Lelianna then? I mean....sure...hot...But I don't like the ideal of you leading her on.

I reply, "It's not the same as you and me."
Alistair replies, "You either choose me or her."
I reply, "I choose you."

And no negative points for any of the parties.

Have you ever heard of anything like this happening?

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MICHELLE7 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

I actually saw that inteview on Youtube.  It will make for some witty side dialogue though.

Have noticed with Kaiden hardened (smile) is much like Alistair hardened.  He's not afraid to speak up about his feelings for you. This is good.  I think he is a little more flirtatious.  However, he is a tad bit too ruthless for even my bad girl tasts.


:DIt's the hair I find so similar. Not quite the same style but definitely the same shape.

As far as personality is concerned I don't find them similar at all...Kaidan's much more mature but then his character is 32 and a disciplined soldier so maybe that makes the difference. Some people wanted to say that Kaidan was a whiner but I never thought that. He simply told his story in my opinion. Some of those same people at least were willing to say it was only because he reminded them of Carth from Knights of the Old Republic (same actor voices both characters). I did however find Alistair whiney at times especially when he goes on about losing Duncan and you're playing a human noble...you just lost both parents and he's whining over losing someone he really hasn't known for all that long.

As far as Kaidan being too ruthless...it didn't appeal to me either but it probably was meant as a match for the much darker renegade Shepard. She/He kills, hits, threatens with ease and is sometimes just downright evil.  I just recently played the Noveria mission as a renegade and for the first time had Anolies kill Gianna(they both die) and get the pass off the dead body. I thought that was a particularly corrupt way of doing it but if you're going to play renegade I guess it's the best way to go. Nice Kaidan just doesn't fit that well with that type of Shepard.

I really wonder if whether or not you harden him will determine his character in ME2 and ME3...or if his character will revert back to nice Kaidan. I just wonder how much of your choices were taken into account?


You're right about Alistair and Kaidan being to complete different characters.  What I meant was that when you harden Kaidan, he is much more outspoken about how he feels about Shepherd. 

After he is hardened, I forgot what the subject was about, but he ended with I want to follow thru with this.  You're a hard woman to resist and so on.  Unhardened...it was much more duty and honor.

As for the hair...they both could do with better hairstyles.

Now their voices....I love Kaidan's serious tone and demeanor.

However, I also love Alistair's accent and teasing.  Just hate his lack of decision and whining.  What I would like to see is Alistair a little bit older and more mature.  Then our knees would go weak, I think?"  You cant tell me you didn't a little breathless when Alistair says, "Maker's breath, your beautiful?"

Only weeks away from ME2 and I kinda want to skip it for ME3.  We'll be playing ME2 just hoping for some Kaidan crumbs (any little bit of information we can get).

Modifié par galesong1234, 03 janvier 2010 - 09:04 .


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Thor Rand Al

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RGC_Ines wrote...

Of course I can answer You but...You need to be a cheater ( and I know that a lot of ppl hate it)... There are two different ways for that and I checked them both ( and it worked for me).

Firts way

After talks with Riordan about sacrifice, Go outsdie Riordan's room. Now You have to use cheat like runscript zz_addparty Loghain ( it will add Loghain to yours team). Go back to Riordan's room and You should have dialog with Loghain about sacrifice..tell him that You will be glad if he will sacrifice himself :D . Talk with Morrigan, tell her that there will be no deal. Keep Loghain with You to the end of game. After killing Archdemon You will still have scene where yours PC killing Archdemon but at the end all Grey Wardens survived.

Second way
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Looks like last checkpoint for main story is a door to the top of the Fort where You will fight against Archdemon. Simple trick is just NOT enter on the roof via door but just use another console option such: runscript zz_cli_debug then choose JUMP TO AN AREA -> JUMP TO DENERIM -> ON THE ROOF OF FORT DRAKON. That will allow You to enter into finall battle without passing door and without checkpoint. At the end You both survive and Alistair even havn't idea about Morrigan's ritual ( he said something like " looks like Riordan was wrong" or something like it, )




I'm going to have to try one of these cause I can't stand the thought of that sleezy Morrigan having Alistair, I wanted to call her every name in the book n not in the book when she suggested the damn ritual, (n to think at 1 time I respected Morrigan, well my male pc did lmao) n I can't stand the fact that one of us has to be sacrificed without doing the ritual... I've got to restart the game over anyways cause I felt bad about sleeping with that guy at the beginning of the game for human noble n here Alistairs a virgin... Kinda made me feel guilty lmao.  It is so amazing what a complete turn around you can have about these characters when you've played both sexes... My first 4 play throughs I played a male pc n thought how whinny Alistair was, now I play a female pc n I can't get enough of him, in fact I don't know if I'll be able to play another male pc again with this game... Dam you Alistair, dam you for being ugh you lmao... You know what would be really sweet is maybe a baby was concieved between your pc n Alistair despite that dam taint, sighs I know wishful thinking; but hey 1 can only hope lol