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[MICHELLE7]

For those of you that haven't seen it yet here's the link to the expansion pack for Dragon Age Origins - Awakening due out in March.

g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/701628/Dragon-Age-Origins---Awakening-Trailer-Calls-All-Grey-Wardens.html

Alistair's in it and it has a talking darkspawn as well and some woman who wants mortals to bow down before her.  I think someone in the vid might have been joining the Grey Wardens...thought it might have been Sir Gilmore(if he survived)...probably mistaken about that but characters flash by kinda fast in those trailers(at least for me).

Modifié par MICHELLE7, 05 janvier 2010 - 10:15 .

[xgiovedi]

RGC_Ines wrote...

Well as I said before, for me Dark Ritual it's just silly try to add drama into game, especially into romances, but Devs, in my opinion failed here. It even don't looks like ritual, just another sex scene, so that's why it's hard to accept it. Plus I don't buy explanation, why it have to be Alistair instead of Riordan ( it's very very rare thing to be pregnat after one night in rl, so I think that Morrigan had to do something to be sure she will be pregnat, so I doubt that how long someone is GW is so important here). Plus would be nice to have option ( especially if PC is a mage) to kill Morrigan, stole Flemeth's book and made ritual myself. All above it's a reason why I was looking for a way to avoid DR.

I agree. BW doesn't really give us a choice in that-- other than death of one or the other. I knew Riordan wouldn't survive to make the killing blow.

The DR didn't really bother me until right before the ritual Morrigan said to Alistair "You won't find it that bad".  This is the man my PC is betrothed to! But Morrigan isn't exactly known for being kind or thoughtful to others.

I've been reading interesting thoughts that it's actually Flemeth in disguise and the "real" Morrigan is long gone (thoughts on this include the "Robes of Possession" and Flemeth's "Real" Grimoire.

I was thinking Morrigan could get pregnant in one night due to her Magic Talents. I think it's said that GWs have a hard time getting a non-tainted person pregnant, so magic is sometimes used to help the process.

Though honestly on one of my playthroughs, I had a "Equal Love" mod, and my female Human Noble did the ritual with Morrigan... and impregnated her lol. I don't think that would hold up in Awakenings.

[Naamah_bb]

So...awakening (expansion) story if you're married to Alistair...any thoughts? I'm really out of smart ideas for the story here...

[kbach36]

RGC_Ines wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

Well, my Dalish Rogue is off to Landsmeet. Let's hope she played her cards well and will get to keep her man once he gets a whiff of royal power.

I wish You luck  is Alistair hardened or not? will You use mod to become his Queen, or You will just accept " to become concubine" option?

Yes, he's hardened (hee hee, I am such an 8th grader).  I have give the responses of "We stay together no matter what" and "I won't let you go".  I haven't decided on the mod yet.  When would be the best time to add that?  I was thinking of seeing if I could become the chancellor and stay his lover.

Does it matter if  you set up the marriage between Alistair and Anora, even if you plan on putting him forward as king and having him kill Logain?

[Addai]

kbach36 wrote...

Does it matter if  you set up the marriage between Alistair and Anora, even if you plan on putting him forward as king and having him kill Logain?

Anora will not marry him if you have him kill Loghain.  You should do the honors yourself.

Having done this multiple ways, I personally find it the most satisfying outcome to:  Harden Alistair (in every way possible, hehe), arrange the marriage to Anora and let both of them know that you're not going anywhere.  You will still have to needle Alistair a bit after the Landsmeet, tell him being king is not a punishment and that he can keep on with you etc.  His ending lines with you are quite sweet and romantic, Ferelden gets a really good ruling pair, etc.  And hey, if he's going to have to marry some noblewoman, why not make it one you know he can't stand.  LOL  Anora knows the drill regarding a political marriage and won't expect more.

When I did this, I even got an ending slide that said at one point Alistair comes to fight by your side.  I'm guessing that's after the heir is born or something.

Second best outcome to my mind is to make Anora queen alone.  At first I thought this was the best all around, but I really do think Alistair ought to be king.  He makes a good king and it's his right.  I have also done a play-through where I made myself queen, but to me this felt a little flat.  It seemed grasping, and there really is the question of the succession with two Grey Wardens ruling.

[kbach36]

At first I had considered not putting him on the throne and the two of us would ride off into the sunset and fight darkspawn the rest of out days, seeing as how he doesn't want to be King anyway.  So I told him I was going to support Anora at Landsmeet and he got all mad and I lost 10 pts. with him.  Geez, make up your mind, will ya.  Do you want to be King or not.

Addai67 wrote...

  And hey, if he's going to have to marry some noblewoman, why not make it one you know he can't stand.  LOL  Anora knows the drill regarding a political marriage and won't expect more.

When I did this, I even got an ending slide that said at one point Alistair comes to fight by your side.  I'm guessing that's after the heir is born or something.

True.  After thinking about this (and I am amazed at how much time I have put into just thinking about this)  I will try to have him co-rule and stay on as the love interest and the true holder of his heart.  If it doesn't feel right then I will try something else.

[Seallyn]

kbach36 wrote...

At first I had considered not putting him on the throne and the two of us would ride off into the sunset and fight darkspawn the rest of out days, seeing as how he doesn't want to be King anyway.  So I told him I was going to support Anora at Landsmeet and he got all mad and I lost 10 pts. with him.  Geez, make up your mind, will ya.  Do you want to be King or not.

True.  After thinking about this (and I am amazed at how much time I have put into just thinking about this)  I will try to have him co-rule and stay on as the love interest and the true holder of his heart.  If it doesn't feel right then I will try something else.

I can't believe he got pissed at you!  I guess you hardened him, cause when I didn't harden him he was fine with Anora being queen.  I have yet to have him and Anora marry, I always have him kill Loghain, let him have his vengance and she won't marry him if he kills her father. 

[prizm123]

my elf broke up with him so he could marry anora, then romanced leliana, then died

[kbach36]

Well, put him on the throne, had him duel then execute Logain, put Anora in the tower and got him to apologize for ever wanting to leave me. We will be discussing his "punishment" at a later date. Got a permanent smille from ear to ear. Now to just get rid of the Damn Arch-Demon,and live to tell about it.

[syllogi]

I finally finished my "perfect" level 60 Paragon and Renegade characters for ME2, so last night I created yet another human female noble to bring into Awakenings, with certain objectives in mind:  getting the archery achievement, finally romancing Leliana, and declaring myself future queen at the Landsmeet while only friends with Alistair, in order to be both Princess-Consort and Chancellor at the same time. 

I have a feeling this is going to be tough, because Leliana seems to get jealous really easy, and it's really hard to keep Alistair from falling for a female PC, unless you're out and out rude to him, and I don't want to do that...it's like kicking a puppy!  And the rose...sob...I want that rose. 

SIGH.  Roleplaying is hard sometimes.

Modifié par TeenZombie, 06 janvier 2010 - 05:44 .

[Sialater]

kbach36 wrote...

Well, put him on the throne, had him duel then execute Logain, put Anora in the tower and got him to apologize for ever wanting to leave me. We will be discussing his "punishment" at a later date. Got a permanent smille from ear to ear. Now to just get rid of the Damn Arch-Demon,and live to tell about it.

Take Morrigan's deal.  Al also owes me a punishment. 

[kbach36]

TeenZombie wrote...



I have a feeling this is going to be tough, because Leliana seems to get jealous really easy, and it's really hard to keep Alistair from falling for a female PC, unless you're out and out rude to him, and I don't want to do that...it's like kicking a puppy!  And the rose...sob...I want that rose. 

SIGH.  Roleplaying is hard sometimes.

I so agree. On my next play through I think I am going to romance Zevran, but I don't know if I can hold Alistair off until I pick up Zev.  He is quite irresistable, that Alistair. 

I still am conflicted about Morrigan's offer, but I can see it now "Since you tried to dump me you must now sleep with Morrigan and concieve a child with her so that we can both live through this.  I think we are even now. *Grin*"

[ejoslin]

TeenZombie wrote...

I finally finished my "perfect" level 60 Paragon and Renegade characters for ME2, so last night I created yet another human female noble to bring into Awakenings, with certain objectives in mind:  getting the archery achievement, finally romancing Leliana, and declaring myself future queen at the Landsmeet while only friends with Alistair, in order to be both Princess-Consort and Chancellor at the same time. 

I have a feeling this is going to be tough, because Leliana seems to get jealous really easy, and it's really hard to keep Alistair from falling for a female PC, unless you're out and out rude to him, and I don't want to do that...it's like kicking a puppy!  And the rose...sob...I want that rose. 

SIGH.  Roleplaying is hard sometimes.

I've done this, well, with Zevran, not Leliana, and it's very easy to not have Alistair fall in love.  Just don't flirt.  When he flirts, bring him back on track.  And the ending slide is much better.  Well, I preferred being ruler and savior and adored by the people rather than just the adored bride.  Of course, then Zevran and my PC ran off to rebuild the gray wardens, but that's a different issue.

Edit: Warning, if you ever romanced Alistair, even if you break up with him, he stays in love and you're still just the adored bride.  You can still run off with Leliana or Zevran, though.

Modifié par ejoslin, 06 janvier 2010 - 07:20 .

[Addai]

kbach36 wrote...

At first I had considered not putting him on the throne and the two of us would ride off into the sunset and fight darkspawn the rest of out days, seeing as how he doesn't want to be King anyway.  So I told him I was going to support Anora at Landsmeet and he got all mad and I lost 10 pts. with him.  Geez, make up your mind, will ya.  Do you want to be King or not.

Aw.  This must be "hardened" Alistair, because if he's not hardened, he'll just say he's relieved and something about Arl Eamon not liking it.

However, no matter what you do it does seem that if Alistair is king, the epilogue has him at some point going back to full-time GW-dom.  I suppose that this means there is an heir and he turns the throne over to him, maybe with the babymama as regent or something.  In my human-noble-female-becomes-Princess-Consort ending, it said he gets called away to Weisshaupt (WTH?! he goes to Weisshaupt but not me?  Maybe to answer for a demon-baby who has made an appearance...?).  In my rules-with-Anora-but-I'm-his-true-love ending, it said he comes to fight by my side and never leaves me except to make a memorial to Duncan.  Looked like the very same slide I got in my Anora-rules-alone-and-we-ride-into-the-sunset ending.  So, make of that what you will.

[Dragoness75]

Addai67 wrote...

However, no matter what you do it does seem that if Alistair is king, the epilogue has him at some point going back to full-time GW-dom.  I suppose that this means there is an heir and he turns the throne over to him, maybe with the babymama as regent or something.  In my human-noble-female-becomes-Princess-Consort ending, it said he gets called away to Weisshaupt (WTH?! he goes to Weisshaupt but not me?  Maybe to answer for a demon-baby who has made an appearance...?).  In my rules-with-Anora-but-I'm-his-true-love ending, it said he comes to fight by my side and never leaves me except to make a memorial to Duncan.  Looked like the very same slide I got in my Anora-rules-alone-and-we-ride-into-the-sunset ending.  So, make of that what you will.

Can you get the same "he comes to fight by my side" if you don't have him marry Anora? I would like that ending, but I hate that b***h and really would prefer he not marry her.

[Sialater]

The problem is, the endings are highly buggy.

[Sandtigress]

Does no one else think its terribly romantic that he watches PC as she sleeps after their little romance scene? :-P That's what wins me over the Zevran one, which is the only other one I've seen.

[Sialater]

Sandtigress wrote...

Does no one else think its terribly romantic that he watches PC as she sleeps after their little romance scene? :-P That's what wins me over the Zevran one, which is the only other one I've seen.

~raises hand~  I'm such a sap.

[nyxocity]

Just read through a lot of this, and I've had a somewhat different experience; much more happy. I'm playing a Female Human Noble (which, of course, helps), and I didn't "harden" him. I never talked to him about being King except for one time before the Landsmeet, when he starts the dialogue about Anora glaring at him. I told him I thought he would make a good king, that he was kind and just, and then that he should do as he wanted, and then not to listen to Alistair. My Cunning was 20, I think, when I went to the Landsmeet (which had me worried), but my Coercion was maxed at master, and Alistair was at 100% love for my character. I won the Landsmeet 100% except that one guy who will always choose Loghain (programmed that way). I dueled Loghain myself, opted to kill him. When asked who I would choose for the throne, I didn't take the option to discuss it with Alistair first; I immediately said 'Alistair, with me at his side'. He was surprised, I'll grant you, but he never so much as questioned it. There was never a peep about dumping me, or a word about not wanting to be King. He did mention the heir thing, but I told him it wouldn't be for lack of trying and he laughed and made a joke. It's been 'I love you' gooey-eyed adoration between the two of us the whole time.

He did get a bit upset about the deal with Morrigan when I told him there would be a child, and I thought he was going to refuse, but I asked him to trust me and he did. We're not quite to the archdemon yet, fighting our way there, but his speech to the army was centered around my character and her strength in bringing them all together, and there were I love you's exchanged before heading off to the final battles, his being "I love you, too. Always." Being that we made the deal with Morrigan, assuming I can beat the game, I'm thinking it's probably happily ever after for us. Unless there's something I don't know about yet?

I was so sure my low cunning score would undercut me somehow at the Landsmeet, but even though I only had the one brief discussion pre-Landsmeet with him about being King, all went well. Thinking about this, I'm thinking maybe it's got something to do with his loving you 100% for a long period of time. He'd been maxed for ages before we got to the Landsmeet. I also didn't use many gifts. I still have two statuettes and Duncan's shield (which I sort of forgot about *facepalm*). Do you think maybe the game saves up that kind of information and uses it accordingly? Anyone else had a similar experience?

Modifié par thenyxie, 07 janvier 2010 - 09:40 .

[ejoslin]

You have to be at 100 love or 100 friendly for Alistair to agree to marry your human noble.  Length of time does not matter.

Modifié par ejoslin, 07 janvier 2010 - 09:44 .

[Jules8445]

I was an elf the first time through and we adored each other too. I had a similar experience except for the fact that I didn't make him king.



I couldn't have ruled with him because they won't let an elf rule. I had pretty much the same conversations you had, and everything though. Did he try to run away from Morrigan in the bed in yours too? That made me feel a little better about the whole situation.



I liked the end of my story AND the epilogue. Presents issues for the expansion if Alistair is an NPC though....but I'll let you see the end for yourself Personally, I see it as a hopeful situation.



Kudos for not using any gifts...I only gave him his mother's amulet and Duncan's Shield...because they really meant something to him.

[syllogi]

ejoslin wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

I finally finished my "perfect" level 60 Paragon and Renegade characters for ME2, so last night I created yet another human female noble to bring into Awakenings, with certain objectives in mind:  getting the archery achievement, finally romancing Leliana, and declaring myself future queen at the Landsmeet while only friends with Alistair, in order to be both Princess-Consort and Chancellor at the same time. 

I have a feeling this is going to be tough, because Leliana seems to get jealous really easy, and it's really hard to keep Alistair from falling for a female PC, unless you're out and out rude to him, and I don't want to do that...it's like kicking a puppy!  And the rose...sob...I want that rose. 

SIGH.  Roleplaying is hard sometimes.

I've done this, well, with Zevran, not Leliana, and it's very easy to not have Alistair fall in love.  Just don't flirt.  When he flirts, bring him back on track.  And the ending slide is much better.  Well, I preferred being ruler and savior and adored by the people rather than just the adored bride.  Of course, then Zevran and my PC ran off to rebuild the gray wardens, but that's a different issue.

Edit: Warning, if you ever romanced Alistair, even if you break up with him, he stays in love and you're still just the adored bride.  You can still run off with Leliana or Zevran, though.

LOL, you were my direct inspiration for this playthrough, I had no idea you could be both Chancellor and queen at the same time until you mentioned doing it.  It really is tough, I went to Redcliffe straight after Lothering, and just by telling Alistair that I liked him for who he is and not for his parentage, he went from neutral to interested!  Now that I've seen your edit, I'm going to reload from before we get there to try again...does the game count "interested" as being in a romance?  I swear, I wasn't TRYING to flirt!!! 

[nyxocity]

ejoslin wrote...

You have to be at 100 love or 100 friendly for Alistair to agree to marry your human noble.  Length of time does not matter.

Ah, I figured it had something to do with that. Thanks!