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[Jaulen]

kbach36 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

The problem is, the endings are highly buggy.

Yeah, I have noticed this too. For instance Alistair put Anora in the tower after Landsmeet and she had her title stripped, but when I talked to Alistair after all the pomp and circumstance at the end and he said he couldn't wait to be alone with me (melt), I had the option of saying "What about Queen Anora?"  Isn't she in the tower?  And the the epilogue saying that Alistair spent all his time with his love, much to the Queens discomfort.  What?  What queen? She.is.in.the.tower.

I was so into the romance that the moment I found out that female elves couldn't be queen, I just got up and walked away.  I was in shock.   I have tried to get the best ending possible.   I went through the DR with Morrigan(which the though of still puts a knot in my stomach), and fought to keep my man, which I did. But the ending still feels empty. The first time I chose that the Grey Wardens be remembered for their sacrifice and  I opted to stay in Denerim, which Alistair is happy to hear, then he eventually gets called away by the Grey Warden's hoping to return to his love's side soon.   I don't know, it just doesn't feel right.  I don't really think I am looking for the perfect Hollywood ending where every one lives happily ever after, but none of these endings feel quite right.  It's like ... I don't know.  Weren't there any female developers on this game?  I feel cheated somehow, but I just can't put my finger on it.  I know some else (maybe Addai67) commented on that there are no happy endings, just degress of satisfaction.  That maybe what we have to accept.

I do find some solace in that I am not the only one who is unhappy with some of the choices we have to make (or lack thereof) and the endings that we get.

Sigh, oh well.  Thank goodness for imaginations and I will just make up my own ending.

I have to agree. I hardened Alistair, I killed Lohgain and tossed Anora in the tower and put Alistair on the throne (although he still didn't want it even with hardening) to rule alone (played city elf). Told him that I'd be okay with being his 'mistress', he did the Dark Ritual. At the end after offing the AD, I asked my boon to be that the GW's were never forgotten, and when asked where I was going afterwards said rebuild the GWs. Got the whole "meet me in my room after this?" line....had Ali at 100% love.

My epilogue was: Alistair becomes king, buckels down to study ruling the kingdom.....he then takes off to be by the side of his beloved to help with the rebuilding the GWs and only ever left her side to build a memorial to Duncan.

I sat there looking at the screen like WTF? Happy because I got the ending I didn't think possible for a elf....BUT all I could think of was IF he was a successful and beloved king.....what the heck is he doing to run off to be with me? That a good king does NOT make.......

And On a side not about Zevran.....had 100% adore (earlier than 100% for Alistair),  somehow dropped the ball for the whole romance thing.....but does anyone else like his line at the end if you beat the AD when he's tiptoing around asking to join you on helping with the GWs....."I make a good mascot"


And kudos to Bioware for making characters people care/obsess about.
Love most of the diologue and the voice acting is great

[galesong1234]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

RGC_Ines wrote...

Of course I can answer You but...You need to be a cheater ( and I know that a lot of ppl hate it)... There are two different ways for that and I checked them both ( and it worked for me).

Firts way

After talks with Riordan about sacrifice, Go outsdie Riordan's room. Now You have to use cheat like runscript zz_addparty Loghain ( it will add Loghain to yours team). Go back to Riordan's room and You should have dialog with Loghain about sacrifice..tell him that You will be glad if he will sacrifice himself . Talk with Morrigan, tell her that there will be no deal. Keep Loghain with You to the end of game. After killing Archdemon You will still have scene where yours PC killing Archdemon but at the end all Grey Wardens survived.

Second way
:
Looks like last checkpoint for main story is a door to the top of the Fort where You will fight against Archdemon. Simple trick is just NOT enter on the roof via door but just use another console option such: runscript zz_cli_debug then choose JUMP TO AN AREA -> JUMP TO DENERIM -> ON THE ROOF OF FORT DRAKON. That will allow You to enter into finall battle without passing door and without checkpoint. At the end You both survive and Alistair even havn't idea about Morrigan's ritual ( he said something like " looks like Riordan was wrong" or something like it, )

I'm going to have to try one of these cause I can't stand the thought of that sleezy Morrigan having Alistair, I wanted to call her every name in the book n not in the book when she suggested the damn ritual, (n to think at 1 time I respected Morrigan, well my male pc did lmao) n I can't stand the fact that one of us has to be sacrificed without doing the ritual... I've got to restart the game over anyways cause I felt bad about sleeping with that guy at the beginning of the game for human noble n here Alistairs a virgin... Kinda made me feel guilty lmao.  It is so amazing what a complete turn around you can have about these characters when you've played both sexes... My first 4 play throughs I played a male pc n thought how whinny Alistair was, now I play a female pc n I can't get enough of him, in fact I don't know if I'll be able to play another male pc again with this game... Dam you Alistair, dam you for being ugh you lmao... You know what would be really sweet is maybe a baby was concieved between your pc n Alistair despite that dam taint, sighs I know wishful thinking; but hey 1 can only hope lol

I didn't feel so bad about Morrigan after my female pc bacame friends with her (100 approval rating).  When you get the points up there and you click on Morrigan she will have awkward "you're my best friend, if I had one coversation."  Kind'a like your best friend becoming a surrigate mom for you.

She is no where as bad as Anora.  Was playing a couple different endings and decided that I would have Alistair marry Anora.  Basically over my pc's dead body. She's an ...itch and witch's clothing.

[galesong1234]

thenyxie wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

Jules8445 wrote...

I think the moral of the story here...is that it's simply impossible to be female and not fall in love with him unless you TRY.
 

I am a female and I dislike that wuss. Didnt have to try at all, came naturally

You know, if he were a real guy that the real me had met, I'd probably feel the same way in the long run. I do prefer my men more decisive. But given the position the PC is thrown into here, as being the one called upon to make all the decisions, YOU get to be the strong one, and when in that position, well, I like having someone to balance out the other side (I am decisive in real life when strongly motivated, but I'm a better first mate than a captain). Plus, I do see the makings of strength in him, he's got a spine in there, he just needs to stop being afraid to fail.

Not that I've analyzed my feelings or anything

Alistair can be very decisive when he is hardened.....After Landsmeet he all but shouts to you that he deserves to be king when you ask him what you should do. And he is pretty upset when you tell him  why you can't have both him and Zev.

[galesong1234]

tymay33 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

My Character is Danish Elf Warrior......

lol your a pastry!:P

Thanks (lol) didn't see that one.

[galesong1234]

Phoenix Swordsinger wrote...

Just a statement here. Alot of you gals seem to really hate Morrigan. My first play through, I love this character (Morrigan). Now the point. My first play was a female noble and romanced only Alistair. He is very adorable. When it came time for Morrigans speech, I didn't even think twice (we were friends too). Save my love and myself? You bet! We would rule the kingdom together. I never worried that he would be thinking about her later. He's to fixated on me.

Totally agree...it's like your best friend becoming a surrigate mom for you. Alistair needs an heir, he love you, but you can't have children (it's a taint thing) and your best friend, Morrigan, give you a chance at love and happiness even though she hates your choice of men.

[galesong1234]

Jules8445 wrote...

I kind of love that they make you make a hard decision...a really hard decision.

Doyou love Alistair enough to let him sleep with Morrigan.  I'd gotten so damn attached that I seriously had to close my eyes to hit the button. Isn't that nuts? 

As far as the people who dislike him becuase he's a bit of a pansy...I get it...kind of.  Everyone likes different
kinds of men.  It doesn't make sense in the game for him to take total control...so yeah he's going to be a little weak.  

Sense of humor is what gets me every single time.  Yeah, he's a little sappysometimes about Duncan..but hell, he had a pretty horrible upbringingand Duncan actually valued him.  It was a father figure thing...mostguys will get a little sappy about their dads...especially if they die in a violent way. 

Most of the time though...he laughs everything off, even the really rough stuff. 

God...I actually cried the first time I went through the market district and talked to him. Being the giant sap I am I chose, "I love you"  and the "And I loveyou.  Always." Thing nailed me...nicely done BioWare.  

Having to watch with Morrigan made my stomach hurt...yeah...that whole virginity before your character thing makes that a little hard towatch. 

I could go on forever about the romance stuff with Alistair.  Probably will.  I'm glad this thread is here for me to
obsess a little bit...and until the expansion is in my hands andI can't have him in my party, I'm going to delude myself into thinking I can...so our romance can go on and on and on. lol

Here's the strangest but most romantic thing I've done (and it sounds really sad).  

                                                        I HAD MY PC TAKE ALISTAIR ON A DATE

I had been waiting to play some dialogue with Alistair (the one where you ask, "If you were raised in the chantry, have you ever...). I knew I would loose it, because the next time I went to camp Alistair would bring up the going to his tent dialogue and I didn't want to play the dialogue in the middle of some battle. Not very romantic.

While I was in Orzammar I decided that I was going to find a quiet corner to use up some of the dialogue in Tapster's Tavern. I put all the pcs on hold then went and try to find a quiet corner. Then brought Alistair to where my pc was at and left Morrigan and Sten at the entrance. It was ok.

Best place is actually at the Proving Grounds. Go to the chamber  where you obtain the love letters for Baizyl (part of quest if you chose Harrowmont as king). Shut the door and leave other pcs outside.  Chamber has a fireplace, a couch and pretty good background music.  A great place to replay those intimate conversations.

[galesong1234]

Seallyn wrote...

Jules8445 wrote...

Heeeeeeeee he he he.

So I've been indulging in DA Fanart...and I found this.  

It's so perfect...

http://tymethia.devi...-Meme-144213714


Just thought I'd share.  I laughed out loud and my mother told me I'm strange. 

Holy crap, that's awesome!

Laughed my head off....husband is worried that I am too "into" this game.

[Posioned]

galesong1234 wrote...

Phoenix Swordsinger wrote...

Just a statement here. Alot of you gals seem to really hate Morrigan. My first play through, I love this character (Morrigan). Now the point. My first play was a female noble and romanced only Alistair. He is very adorable. When it came time for Morrigans speech, I didn't even think twice (we were friends too). Save my love and myself? You bet! We would rule the kingdom together. I never worried that he would be thinking about her later. He's to fixated on me.

Totally agree...it's like your best friend becoming a surrigate mom for you. Alistair needs an heir, he love you, but you can't have children (it's a taint thing) and your best friend, Morrigan, give you a chance at love and happiness even though she hates your choice of men.

I felt the same way. Morrigan was one of my favourites (after Alistair of course). If he's not in the exspansion as someone in my party I'm not sure I'll buy it. Yeah that's sad... I didn't think I'd get so emotionally invested in a game character!

[galesong1234]

Need to watch Alistair in trailer for new expansion to game.

Dragon Age origins: Awakenings



Coming March 16, 2010

Modifié par galesong1234, 08 janvier 2010 - 08:34 .

[Jules8445]

Yeah, I saw that. I'm pretty sure it's one of the options for the beginning. If you read the interview that they posted a few days ago, it says that the game is different depending on the way that your game ended



Like I said before, they'll have to pry my hope of Alistair as a PC from my cold dead hands. He's in the game, so there's definitely help.

[Little Mama]

[quote]Dragoness75 wrote...

[quote]Jules8445 wrote...

O_O He'll make the first move. I just started a new game...how do you get that to happen? Seriously.[/quote]

This is how I got him to ask me:

** Just working on a Dalish Elf playthough and found out you can get an approval bump with Alistair in Ostagar, after you have your first conversation with him, talk to him again. I didn't realize you could do this. You can ask all sorts of questions. He will ask what you think of Duncan. I've only used 1 answer, but got a +2 approval bump. There was another answer that would probably have given more of a bonus, haven't tried it yet.




Actually this is a litle risky. Like in every dialog were you can give your opinion there is + and - answers.
If you pick the wrong one you drop.... just a warning.

Modifié par Little Mama, 08 janvier 2010 - 11:41 .

[Little Mama]

galesong1234 wrote...

Seallyn wrote...

Jules8445 wrote...

Heeeeeeeee he he he.

So I've been indulging in DA Fanart...and I found this.  

It's so perfect...

http://tymethia.devi...-Meme-144213714


Just thought I'd share.  I laughed out loud and my mother told me I'm strange. 

Holy crap, that's awesome!

Laughed my head off....husband is worried that I am too "into" this game.

Think mine feel the same way. When i first got the game I couldnt stop playing. The only one how got my atention outside the game was my doughter.... 
Think my man got a bit yealous for some time there.  

[Little Mama]

My thoughts on Awakening and Alistair:

I think he will be in the game... but not playable. This doesnt have to mean you cant romance him, does it.
If you ended up married to him you must be able to atlest spend som cuality time with him....

I dont think he will be in your party
In the trailer he says that "you have quite the task ahead of you" not "we". If he was in your part shouldnt he use words like we then?
Just a thought thats al...

And a question outside the Alistair theme: Do any of you think that the talking darkspan may be Duncan?
The tought has accured to me...

Modifié par Little Mama, 08 janvier 2010 - 11:58 .

[kbach36]

Jaulen wrote...


I have to agree. I hardened Alistair, I killed Lohgain and tossed Anora in the tower and put Alistair on the throne (although he still didn't want it even with hardening) to rule alone (played city elf). Told him that I'd be okay with being his 'mistress', he did the Dark Ritual. At the end after offing the AD, I asked my boon to be that the GW's were never forgotten, and when asked where I was going afterwards said rebuild the GWs. Got the whole "meet me in my room after this?" line....had Ali at 100% love.

My epilogue was: Alistair becomes king, buckels down to study ruling the kingdom.....he then takes off to be by the side of his beloved to help with the rebuilding the GWs and only ever left her side to build a memorial to Duncan.

I sat there looking at the screen like WTF? Happy because I got the ending I didn't think possible for a elf....BUT all I could think of was IF he was a successful and beloved king.....what the heck is he doing to run off to be with me? That a good king does NOT make.......

And on a side not about Zevran.....had 100% adore (earlier than 100% for Alistair),  somehow dropped the ball for the whole romance thing.....but does anyone else like his line at the end if you beat the AD when he's tiptoing around asking to join you on helping with the GWs....."I make a good mascot"


And kudos to Bioware for making characters people care/obsess about.
Love most of the diologue and the voice acting is great

I know, I was happy with mine too, but somehow it just doesn't work for me either.  I also started a romance with Zevran and we broke in off in respect to Alistair. But by the end of the game Zevran was at 100 Friend and he also wanted to come along with me.  He is too cute not to let tag along.  He can be my mascot any day.  I think I will go again and try to romance Zevran instead, I hear he has an interesting story line.

On a side note- Does anyone know how the game will know which ending you did.  I have gone back and done other senarios. We both live, and then one is sacrificed (just to see, cried like a baby, won't be doing that again) Is it the last one you did? I have several saves after the big end speeches, before you go and talk to all your companions.  I also want to go back and have my character romance Zevran instead.  Is it better just to start over with a new character?  Any help would be really appreciated.

[Little Mama]

I think it will take the last save... as the profile upload does.

[Sialater]

galesong1234 wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

Jules8445 wrote...

I think the moral of the story here...is that it's simply impossible to be female and not fall in love with him unless you TRY.
 

I am a female and I dislike that wuss. Didnt have to try at all, came naturally

You know, if he were a real guy that the real me had met, I'd probably feel the same way in the long run. I do prefer my men more decisive. But given the position the PC is thrown into here, as being the one called upon to make all the decisions, YOU get to be the strong one, and when in that position, well, I like having someone to balance out the other side (I am decisive in real life when strongly motivated, but I'm a better first mate than a captain). Plus, I do see the makings of strength in him, he's got a spine in there, he just needs to stop being afraid to fail.

Not that I've analyzed my feelings or anything

Alistair can be very decisive when he is hardened.....After Landsmeet he all but shouts to you that he deserves to be king when you ask him what you should do. And he is pretty upset when you tell him  why you can't have both him and Zev.

Waitaminute... why on earth would YOU turn down a chance at both... and since when do they share?

[Jules8445]

Well, here's the thing. It makes sense that he wouldn't go with you if you pick the ending where he marries Anoura and he's hardened. He doesn't want to go with you.



The other epilogue scenarios don't make sense if he's not available as a party member though. They say that we traveled together for the rest of our lives rebuilding the GW's and that the only time he left my side was once to go to Duncan's grave. How do you pull that off without making him a playable character?



I think it's going to be a situation where you get to pick who your companion and who you made king/who made the sacrifice determines who you have to choose from. I don't want to debate it though, it makes me antsy and March is still quite some time away.

[Addai]

Phoenix Swordsinger wrote...

Just a statement here. Alot of you gals seem to really hate Morrigan. My first play through, I love this character (Morrigan). Now the point. My first play was a female noble and romanced only Alistair. He is very adorable. When it came time for Morrigans speech, I didn't even think twice (we were friends too). Save my love and myself? You bet! We would rule the kingdom together. I never worried that he would be thinking about her later. He's to fixated on me.

Me, too.  Most of my female characters have been at +100 with Morrigan by the end, and genuine friends.  Even if you know she has other motives and I didn't actually like my squeeze having to sleep with her, I could sincerely say at the end "then let me thank you now for all that you've done."  She is your ONE CHANCE to save both your own and Alistair's life.  That doesn't deserve some gratitude?   Re the cut scene, to my mind it's obvious Alistair is looking at her like "don't hurt me." LOL  Not that he won't get into it well enough when the lights are off... he is a man, after all...

[Sialater]

Addai67 wrote...

Phoenix Swordsinger wrote...

Just a statement here. Alot of you gals seem to really hate Morrigan. My first play through, I love this character (Morrigan). Now the point. My first play was a female noble and romanced only Alistair. He is very adorable. When it came time for Morrigans speech, I didn't even think twice (we were friends too). Save my love and myself? You bet! We would rule the kingdom together. I never worried that he would be thinking about her later. He's to fixated on me.

Me, too.  Most of my female characters have been at +100 with Morrigan by the end, and genuine friends.  Even if you know she has other motives and I didn't actually like my squeeze having to sleep with her, I could sincerely say at the end "then let me thank you now for all that you've done."  She is your ONE CHANCE to save both your own and Alistair's life.  That doesn't deserve some gratitude?   Re the cut scene, to my mind it's obvious Alistair is looking at her like "don't hurt me." LOL  Not that he won't get into it well enough when the lights are off... he is a man, after all...

Well, he kinda HAS to enjoy it at the end, after all.  Or it won't work.

[Jules8445]

Even though I was so upset about what I had to do, I was really nice to Morrigan. We were in the thick of battle but there was a break and I went to her and said I wanted to talk about the night before.



She pre-empted everything I said with this long speech about how it was what had to be done...then I said I understood and thanked her. We weren't at 100+ approval by any means, and it was kind of neat little touching scene. I still imagine my character daydreaming about pushing her down some stairs at some point though.

[Ginasue]

I figured out that I have my saved games, and since you can go back and do things differently if you need too. that once the new one comes out and you see just what is what, you can redo, change what you did, and then go on from there.

[Sandtigress]

kbach36 wrote...


On a side note- Does anyone know how the game will know which ending you did.  I have gone back and done other senarios. We both live, and then one is sacrificed (just to see, cried like a baby, won't be doing that again) Is it the last one you did? I have several saves after the big end speeches, before you go and talk to all your companions.  I also want to go back and have my character romance Zevran instead.  Is it better just to start over with a new character?  Any help would be really appreciated.

I got the impression that you uploaded saved data to the expansion, so it would take whatever epilogue saved game you gave it.  So even if you had multiple endings with the same character, you could play the new expansion in multiple ways, just depending on which epilogue file you used.  That was just my impression though, from some comments made in the announcement thread.

[galesong1234]

Sialater wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

Jules8445 wrote...

I think the moral of the story here...is that it's simply impossible to be female and not fall in love with him unless you TRY.
 

I am a female and I dislike that wuss. Didnt have to try at all, came naturally

You know, if he were a real guy that the real me had met, I'd probably feel the same way in the long run. I do prefer my men more decisive. But given the position the PC is thrown into here, as being the one called upon to make all the decisions, YOU get to be the strong one, and when in that position, well, I like having someone to balance out the other side (I am decisive in real life when strongly motivated, but I'm a better first mate than a captain). Plus, I do see the makings of strength in him, he's got a spine in there, he just needs to stop being afraid to fail.

Not that I've analyzed my feelings or anything

Alistair can be very decisive when he is hardened.....After Landsmeet he all but shouts to you that he deserves to be king when you ask him what you should do. And he is pretty upset when you tell him  why you can't have both him and Zev.

Waitaminute... why on earth would YOU turn down a chance at both... and since when do they share?

You actually don't get to share him (technically). It was in the jealousy dialogue. I was just stating that Alistair is very firm in his decisions then. I have actually got to be queen, still in love with Alistair and keep Zev as a lover in last game.  You just have to wait nurture the relationship with Zev and wait to use some of the dialogue options.

However, I totally felt like I was cheating on Alistair and was stringing Zev along, which I was.

[galesong1234]

Jules8445 wrote...

Yeah, I saw that. I'm pretty sure it's one of the options for the beginning. If you read the interview that they posted a few days ago, it says that the game is different depending on the way that your game ended

Like I said before, they'll have to pry my hope of Alistair as a PC from my cold dead hands. He's in the game, so there's definitely help.

I didn't see the interview...drats now I'm gonna have to go find that one. Thanks!

From All our "Cold dead hands" it seems. lol

[Sialater]

galesong1234 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

thenyxie wrote...

Cybercat999 wrote...

Jules8445 wrote...

I think the moral of the story here...is that it's simply impossible to be female and not fall in love with him unless you TRY.
 

I am a female and I dislike that wuss. Didnt have to try at all, came naturally

You know, if he were a real guy that the real me had met, I'd probably feel the same way in the long run. I do prefer my men more decisive. But given the position the PC is thrown into here, as being the one called upon to make all the decisions, YOU get to be the strong one, and when in that position, well, I like having someone to balance out the other side (I am decisive in real life when strongly motivated, but I'm a better first mate than a captain). Plus, I do see the makings of strength in him, he's got a spine in there, he just needs to stop being afraid to fail.

Not that I've analyzed my feelings or anything

Alistair can be very decisive when he is hardened.....After Landsmeet he all but shouts to you that he deserves to be king when you ask him what you should do. And he is pretty upset when you tell him  why you can't have both him and Zev.

Waitaminute... why on earth would YOU turn down a chance at both... and since when do they share?

You actually don't get to share him (technically). It was in the jealousy dialogue. I was just stating that Alistair is very firm in his decisions then. I have actually got to be queen, still in love with Alistair and keep Zev as a lover in last game.  You just have to wait nurture the relationship with Zev and wait to use some of the dialogue options.

However, I totally felt like I was cheating on Alistair and was stringing Zev along, which I was.

I meant them sharing you, the PC.  Zev got to stick around in my mage elf game, and Alistair ruled as an unmarried king (so far), but Zev stopped talking to me.  Just like he has in this, my Cousland game.