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[galesong1234]

Whisa wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

It was interesting that the choice was offered though. Guess to much to hope for.

Can see point when considers that I had also completed Warden's Keep and drank the mage's Super Darkspawn Blood to get new powers which required using my blood as the weapon.

I think the game assumes that you're utterly ignorant of human politics and wouldn't see why a elf/ dwarf/ mage wouldn't be a suitable king/ queen...  or they like to give you hope, then snatch it away with the landsmet + redcliffe.  I see your happy ending and raise you a kick in the stomach!

Ummm....that's just a tad painful? Zap! Frog time!

[galesong1234]

katjaki wrote...

Can't believe that I just read through most of this thread... Good to see I'm not the only one slightly obsessed over Al.

Did you know that when romancing Alistair, you should delay his normal conversation options? When he gets to "interested" status he'll throw in more flirt when talking to you. He offers to show you his interesting moles, and says he has lots of lines just for you.

I wonder if the dialogue changes even more if you get him to adore? Probably not... I don't even know if its possible to get his approval high enough without exhausting much of the conversation.

My first almost-playthrough was a female elf mage and, knowing next to nothing about the plot, I chose to arrange a political marriage between Anora and Alistair, and spare Loghain in Landsmeet. The ensuing shouting actually upset me quite deeply for something completely fictional. I was gutted to have Al yell at me that "there's no us" any longer, and that he would marry Anora but didn't want to ever see me again, or whatever. I don't consider myself an overly emotional person, but I was shaking a bit after that. I was so into Alistair during that first game, and the voice acting was... almost too good. :-(

Of course I then went to internets to read spoilers, and found out that to stay with Alistair I had to do something completely against my current PC's nature. So I did, but during the battle of Denerim I lost interest and started a new character, a human noble rogue. So I haven't actually FINISHED the game yet, because I want to do the romance right this time (and do all the side quests I missed the first time because of rushing the plot).

But ever since being yelled at that first time, there's been this odd, tiny hollow feeling about romancing Alistair. I don't know whether to thank BioWare for this experience or not.

That has got to be the most wretched first ending game I ever heard.  Sorry. That's how I ended up starting this thread in the first place. Anyway, if you don't want to replay whole game, just go to a previous save and play from there.  Or replay landsmeet. Loose argument to landsmeet. Battle after Loghains calls for arrest. Win final showdown with Loghain. Keep telling Reordan that Loghains deserves to die (after all he did betray king and fellow grey wardens). Then make Anora Queen and go rebuild grey wardens with Alistair.

Modifié par galesong1234, 11 janvier 2010 - 10:20 .

[katjaki]

In my first game I, when we were romancing (100-love)I got responses like "Yeeeesss" "Yes my love" and I think "as you command". now in my 2nd game (+4 neutral approval) I just get "What?!" and with a bit of attitude I might add.  I think it depends where on the approval scale you are and if you are in a romance.

He's at +100 love right now for me and his response is "yes my friend", which feels like a bug.

[galesong1234]

xgiovedi wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...
Final Scene: Alistair is king. He will ask you what you want. If you choose first option (to serve king), Alistair will make you his chancellor where he seeks your advice and you rule when he is away. Next, Alistair will ask you what are your plans. If you choose to be with the Grey Wardens you will get the ending of Alistair is happy to leave court to be with his love, never to be parted except when Alistair makes a small memorial for Duncan.

That's interesting. I remember my first game (human noble) telling everyone I would stay in Denerim with Alistair. This time, I'm really gunning to let Anora be queen and travel with Alistair as Grey Wardens.

I am curious if I have to make Alistair King to get the Grey Warden ending, though? In a RP sense, my noble would get way too bored with being Qeen after the adventure she's had

No...you can make Anora queen and when asked what are your plans.  Choose be with GW and you will still get that ending ending with Alistair.

[katjaki]

galesong1234 wrote...
That has got to be the most wretched first ending game I ever heard.  Sorry. That's how I ended up starting this thread in the first place. Anyway, if you don't want to replay whole game, just go to a previous save and play from there.  Or replay landsmeet. ...

Yeah, talk about drawing the loser hand there. I did exactly what you said and replayed the Landsmeet to make Anora the Queen, but it didn't feel in character with my PC. She would have sucked it up and let Alistair go, it's me who couldn't. (I also tried to kill Loghain and make Alistair King and then persuade him to take you as his mistress, but the game glitched and Alistair went to 'friendly' even though the persuasion check seemed to go through.) It all felt like cheating just to get him back. The whole romance stopped feeling so real.

But I'd grown bored of playing a mage at that point anyway. I still haven't finished that game, I'm in the Fort with her right now and just can't be bothered to finish. I like my current game much more.

[galesong1234]

Freckles04 wrote...

Sialater wrote...

Well, I actually saw the dumping coming, playing as an elf mage. As duty bound as Al is, and as prejudiced against everything my character was as Ferelden is, it was inevitable. What really got me, though, was despite seeing it coming, I STILL felt like I'd been sucker punched.

^ This.

An elven mage was my first playthrough, too. And yes, in retrospect, all of the hints were there, quite plainly, actually. I remember staring at my TV, stunned, as Alistair walked away, thinking, "Did the game just break up with me??" and trying to figure out what I could say to get the romance back. (That's when I discovered this forum and all its spoilery goodness.) I was jittery and upset, and yes, it felt like I'd been sucker-punched.

It didn't colour how I viewed Alistair, however, or quell my desire to romance him with every female character I've played. I think he's a thoroughly engaging character, and so much deeper than a lot of people realize. The thing that makes him real to me is the fact that he is flawed. He can make very bad decisions, he can act somewhat irrationally, and he can break his love's heart...but that makes him as close to being a real person as a collection of pixels and code can get, imo.

It's that voice (sigh). Even when he breaks up with you....you can see and hear the sadness of it all. Especially if you go back to camp to talk to him. I actually decided, once, to choose Zev over Alistair. Alistair was very upset and I was shocked when he screamed at me when I suggested that I couldn't have both of them (was playing all he dialogue options out). That had to be the first time I ever heard him shout. Makes you not want to dissappoint or let him down.

[nos_astra]

Need to test that! *takes mental note to romance Zevran unintentionally again*

[Addai]

katjaki wrote...
BTW, how does Alistair respond when others click on him? I had him say "yes my love" at some point, but now he just says "yes my friend". Almost seems like a bug, too. Or does it depend on whether you've hardened him, or something? I hardened him during my first game, but not this time.

He will say "yes my love" when hardened, but in general this response seems on the rare side to me.  First time I noticed it, I admit to pixel flutters.  Then again, I did the same with Zevran and "I am yours."  What can I say, I'm a softie, as Leliana might put it.

[Sandtigress]

Oh gosh, when Alistair left at Landsmeet, both my character and I were shocked and heartbroken! I wanted to cry when he said "I guess I always knew I didn't deserve to be so happy". My character is a "everyone deserves a second chance" kind of person, and she never expected Alistair to actually leave over it. Made it worse when she kept begging him to stay too. :-P



I had to redo that - she gave him up to be king instead, and she'll go rebuild the Wardens on her own. Storyline wise, I figure she just realized that he really meant what he said when he said he'd leave, and knew he'd be a better king than Anora. And since she couldn't bring herself to kill Loghain, Alistair had to do it so good-bye relationship with Anora. I hate hate hate that I don't get "my love" when I select him though. I did do a run-through of that character where Anora is queen and they ran off to rebuild the Wardens together, but it won't be her canon ending.



Of course, where he's breaking up with her, she tells him he'll be a good king, and he says in that wonderful voice "But I'd give it all up to have what I really wanted" - its so believable! Valentine really makes the game for me - it would not be half as good if it weren't voiced so well.

[katjaki]

galesong1234 wrote...
That had to be the first time I ever heard him shout. Makes you not want to dissappoint or let him down.

Heheh, don't try the marry Alistair to Anora and let Loghain live route, then. He yelled at me for what felt like several minutes. I tried to find the scene from youtube but seems nobody has uploaded one from romancing point of view.

[Jules8445]

The shouting always makes me actually wince. I hate it when people yell at me. As attached as I've gotten to Alistair in the game, making him made makes me balk every time. My poor gray warden is a great leader....until something she does makes Alistair mad.



People say he doesn't make decisions...but he totally runs the party. I have a terrible time doing anything that makes him mad.

[Freckles04]

katjaki wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...
That had to be the first time I ever heard him shout. Makes you not want to dissappoint or let him down.

Heheh, don't try the marry Alistair to Anora and let Loghain live route, then. He yelled at me for what felt like several minutes. I tried to find the scene from youtube but seems nobody has uploaded one from romancing point of view.

There are a few situations in the game where he'll yell that I've run into, and there must be something wrong with me because I actually like them.

Another is if you sacrifice Isolde at Redcliffe. Ooo, does he let you have it back at camp.

I let Loghain live only once, for the achievement, went through the post-Landsmeet argument with Alistair, and I felt so guilty I ended up reloading the Landsmeet and letting Al execute him.

But yes...the voice acting (and the writing! of course!) is superb. The game wouldn't be nearly so captivating with lower calibre of either.

[Sandtigress]

katjaki wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...
That had to be the first time I ever heard him shout. Makes you not want to dissappoint or let him down.

Heheh, don't try the marry Alistair to Anora and let Loghain live route, then. He yelled at me for what felt like several minutes. I tried to find the scene from youtube but seems nobody has uploaded one from romancing point of view.

The only thing I got directly from this was "And I thought the point was to bring Loghain to justice.  Some things just don't work out the way they're planned."  Though when I chose to support Anora instead of him, he flipped out and broke my heart, as well as my character's.  :-P  That really was gut-wrenching, watching him leave.

I played for a little bit further, hoping he'd come to his senses and come back, but when I realized that wouldn't be the case, I just couldn't finish that ending.  Not to mention that was my first run through and I hadn't gotten Shale or done Warden's Keep and what not, so my team was not nearly as strong as it is when I go back and finish a few things.  The generals were near impossible in that run - in my later one it was all a piece of cake.

[Freckles04]

Jules8445 wrote...

The shouting always makes me actually wince. I hate it when people yell at me. As attached as I've gotten to Alistair in the game, making him made makes me balk every time. My poor gray warden is a great leader....until something she does makes Alistair mad.

People say he doesn't make decisions...but he totally runs the party. I have a terrible time doing anything that makes him mad.

LOL! Agreed!

[Sandtigress]

Jules8445 wrote...
People say he doesn't make decisions...but he totally runs the party. I have a terrible time doing anything that makes him mad.

+ 20 approval, totally true 


I apologize to him if I do something I know he won't like, but is more in keeping with my character's personality.

[katjaki]

Sandtigress wrote...

katjaki wrote...
Heheh, don't try the marry Alistair to Anora and let Loghain live route, then. He yelled at me for what felt like several minutes. I tried to find the scene from youtube but seems nobody has uploaded one from romancing point of view.

The only thing I got directly from this was "And I thought the point was to bring Loghain to justice.  Some things just don't work out the way they're planned."  Though when I chose to support Anora instead of him, he flipped out and broke my heart, as well as my character's.  :-P  That really was gut-wrenching, watching him leave.

The yelling part was in the post-landsmeet conversation where he takes his leave. Had you hardened him? Maybe that makes a difference. If I had more energy I might go replay to capture and upload the scene... Maybe when I feel masochistic enough.

[Sandtigress]

katjaki wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

katjaki wrote...
Heheh, don't try the marry Alistair to Anora and let Loghain live route, then. He yelled at me for what felt like several minutes. I tried to find the scene from youtube but seems nobody has uploaded one from romancing point of view.

The only thing I got directly from this was "And I thought the point was to bring Loghain to justice.  Some things just don't work out the way they're planned."  Though when I chose to support Anora instead of him, he flipped out and broke my heart, as well as my character's.  :-P  That really was gut-wrenching, watching him leave.

The yelling part was in the post-landsmeet conversation where he takes his leave. Had you hardened him? Maybe that makes a difference. If I had more energy I might go replay to capture and upload the scene... Maybe when I feel masochistic enough.

No, I hadn't.  That probably made a huge difference.  In all of my endings with my elf, he is either broken-hearted for having to end it, or overjoyed not to become king.  My Dalish elf was too supportive and soft-hearted to have ever said anything to harden him so it was never an option for her.   When he left at Landsmeet, there was more of a "I never expected this...not from you" and "I guess I always knew I was never meant to be this happy".  Talk about heart-wrenching!

My city elf has hardened him though, so things will turn out differently this time!

Modifié par Sandtigress, 12 janvier 2010 - 01:03 .

[Star]

kbach36 wrote...

In my first game I, when we were romancing (100-love)I got responses like "Yeeeesss" "Yes my love" and I think "as you command". now in my 2nd game (+4 neutral approval) I just get "What?!" and with a bit of attitude I might add.  I think it depends where on the approval scale you are and if you are in a romance.

Wouldn't it be really nice if the dev had given us some other responses to him dumping us.  There were a few choice things I would have told him. And yes, Little Mama, it would be great if we could approve or disapprove of his behavior. Lyna disapproves -100. (oh, yeah, how did that feel Alistair)

*grins*  It's so nice to not to be alone both in terms of feeling shocked and sucker-punched with the breakup and in wanting to have my PC share a few brain cells with him.   GRRRR!  And Mr. Cuddles (her mobari) really wanted to show him what a true bite felt like -- very protective, that dog.

[kbach36]

galesong1234 wrote...


It's that voice (sigh). Even when he breaks up with you....you can see and hear the sadness of it all. Especially if you go back to camp to talk to him. I actually decided, once, to choose Zev over Alistair. Alistair was very upset and I was shocked when he screamed at me when I suggested that I couldn't have both of them (was playing all he dialogue options out). That had to be the first time I ever heard him shout. Makes you not want to dissappoint or let him down.

I  just went back and replayed Landsmeet, and choose Anora to rule alone, and not a peep out of Alistair on whether he was happy about it or not.( I didn't tell him before hand, because you will lose points if you tell him you are supporting Anora.) Even when we were back in camp.  I didn't loose any points, but I have no other conversation options.  Does he only talk more to you when you have made him King and he dumps you.  I have seen that he comments that he would have gladly given it all up to have you, so I expected something after about how he was relieved not to be King, or is that only if he is unhardened? 

[galesong1234]

kbach36 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...


It's that voice (sigh). Even when he breaks up with you....you can see and hear the sadness of it all. Especially if you go back to camp to talk to him. I actually decided, once, to choose Zev over Alistair. Alistair was very upset and I was shocked when he screamed at me when I suggested that I couldn't have both of them (was playing all he dialogue options out). That had to be the first time I ever heard him shout. Makes you not want to dissappoint or let him down.

I  just went back and replayed Landsmeet, and choose Anora to rule alone, and not a peep out of Alistair on whether he was happy about it or not.( I didn't tell him before hand, because you will lose points if you tell him you are supporting Anora.) Even when we were back in camp.  I didn't loose any points, but I have no other conversation options.  Does he only talk more to you when you have made him King and he dumps you.  I have seen that he comments that he would have gladly given it all up to have you, so I expected something after about how he was relieved not to be King, or is that only if he is unhardened? 

That dialogue only happens after he becomes king and you have been dumped.  Life goes on if Anora becomes queen.  However, at end of game when you talk to Alistair (after Anora honors you) there is a dialogue option that you can pick...."What are your plans?" and Alistair will tell you what he is planning to do. 

Also, for the first time I picked "I not sacrifising myself for the Archdemon" and was surprised by Alistair's dialogue. Try it...there's no negative approval points if you do.

[Gilsa]

Y'know, with the expansion coming out and Alistair appearing in the teaser video, it makes me wonder just where we'll pick up. The ending that I would really like to import over is where I spare Loghain. (I agreed with Riordan and was thinking about the example the Loghain could set for his soldiers if he himself became a Grey Warden -- what do you think Duncan would have done? If it wasn't for flying the Grey Warden banner, Loghain would have been executed.) I felt a lack of closure over not being able to have a follow-up conversation with Alistair. He was my brother-in-arms so that kind of hurt to see it end so abruptly like that. I'd like a chance to run into him again in the expansion, but I don't know if that means he's completely absent from the expansion as a result of choosing to be a drunk. Will have to wait for more information to get released when March approaches. Otherwise I'll just go in with the no-king-rebuild-grey-wardens ending, no biggie.



(I already have my elf character with the Zev ending ready to go for expansion. It's the character with the Alistair ending that I'm unsure about.)

[Little Mama]

galesong1234 wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...


It's that voice (sigh). Even when he breaks up with you....you can see and hear the sadness of it all. Especially if you go back to camp to talk to him. I actually decided, once, to choose Zev over Alistair. Alistair was very upset and I was shocked when he screamed at me when I suggested that I couldn't have both of them (was playing all he dialogue options out). That had to be the first time I ever heard him shout. Makes you not want to dissappoint or let him down.

I  just went back and replayed Landsmeet, and choose Anora to rule alone, and not a peep out of Alistair on whether he was happy about it or not.( I didn't tell him before hand, because you will lose points if you tell him you are supporting Anora.) Even when we were back in camp.  I didn't loose any points, but I have no other conversation options.  Does he only talk more to you when you have made him King and he dumps you.  I have seen that he comments that he would have gladly given it all up to have you, so I expected something after about how he was relieved not to be King, or is that only if he is unhardened? 

That dialogue only happens after he becomes king and you have been dumped.  Life goes on if Anora becomes queen.  However, at end of game when you talk to Alistair (after Anora honors you) there is a dialogue option that you can pick...."What are your plans?" and Alistair will tell you what he is planning to do. 

Also, for the first time I picked "I not sacrifising myself for the Archdemon" and was surprised by Alistair's dialogue. Try it...there's no negative approval points if you do.

I didnt get that end, because my game was probebly bugged  
He was nowhere to be seen at my coronation of Anora.  
I hope they fix it with a patch or something. 

 

[Freckles04]

galesong1234 wrote...

Also, for the first time I picked "I not sacrifising myself for the Archdemon" and was surprised by Alistair's dialogue. Try it...there's no negative approval points if you do.

I chose that dialogue only once, so I don't remember what he says, exactly, but I know that choice comes up in a later conversation.

I usually make him king, since the end-game seems to be geared for that, so I usually choose the "I'll make the final blow" dialogue in the conversation with Riordan. We can't have our new king dying now, can we?

[kbach36]

galesong1234 wrote...

That dialogue only happens after he becomes king and you have been dumped.  Life goes on if Anora becomes queen.  However, at end of game when you talk to Alistair (after Anora honors you) there is a dialogue option that you can pick...."What are your plans?" and Alistair will tell you what he is planning to do. 

Also, for the first time I picked "I not sacrifising myself for the Archdemon" and was surprised by Alistair's dialogue. Try it...there's no negative approval points if you do.

I will have to try that.  No negative approval points works for me.  I hate getting those.  I never want him to be unhappy with my character.  And now I am off to go through the final battle yet again so I can talk to Alistair afterward and see what he plans to do.  (I hope its to follow me:D)

[AnniLau]

First playthrough, he and my Mage rode off into the sunset as Grey Wardens. Second play, I made a Human Noble because a) I didn't like the epilogue of how Anora ruled the country and I wanted to be Queen, damn it. I'm not sure who actually wound up running Ferelden the second time though, because Alistair and I apparently spent all of our time traveling around showing the people how much he adored me.

I have two more games running now, both of which I hardened Alistair in...I felt really bad about it the first time, but I actually wound up liking him a little better afterward, which I didn't think was possible. Anyway, one is a City Elf in a romance with him and I think he'll end up ruling alone with her as his mistress. The other is an Elf Mage that I made specifically to romance Zevran, so Alistair will probably end up married to Anora that time; I might even spare Loghain for the achievement, although I'd pretty much always rather cut his heart out with a spoon. Alistair is still a terrible temptation to me though. Even though I knew that PC was for Zev, I did all of the initial flirting and even accepted the rose before he showed up...as soon as Zevran joined us, I had to force myself to tell Alistair that it wasn't going to happen so the romance dialogue options would go away. Interestingly, although Alistair's reaction was pretty sad and somewhat sullen ("I guess I'll leave you alone then, since that's obviously what you want."), I didn't lose any approval points. I guess I caught him early enough that he wasn't truly invested in the idea?

kbach36 wrote...
( I didn't tell him before hand, because you will lose points if you tell him you are supporting Anora.)

Um, I told him I was supporting her in my first playthrough and he was actually quite pleased. He was at +100 Love, so I didn't gain anything, but I didn't lose any points either.

Modifié par AnniLau, 13 janvier 2010 - 04:03 .