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[xgiovedi]

galesong1234 wrote...
No...you can make Anora queen and when asked what are your plans.  Choose be with GW and you will still get that ending ending with Alistair.

Fantastic, thanks so much for letting me know

[kbach36]

AnniLau wrote...

First playthrough, he and my Mage rode off into the sunset as Grey Wardens. Second play, I made a Human Noble because a) I didn't like the epilogue of how Anora ruled the country and I wanted to be Queen, damn it. I'm not sure who actually wound up running Ferelden the second time though, because Alistair and I apparently spent all of our time traveling around showing the people how much he adored me.

I have two more games running now, both of which I hardened Alistair in...I felt really bad about it the first time, but I actually wound up liking him a little better afterward, which I didn't think was possible. Anyway, one is a City Elf in a romance with him and I think he'll end up ruling alone with her as his mistress. The other is an Elf Mage that I made specifically to romance Zevran, so Alistair will probably end up married to Anora that time; I might even spare Loghain for the achievement, although I'd pretty much always rather cut his heart out with a spoon. Alistair is still a terrible temptation to me though. Even though I knew that PC was for Zev, I did all of the initial flirting and even accepted the rose before he showed up...as soon as Zevran joined us, I had to force myself to tell Alistair that it wasn't going to happen so the romance dialogue options would go away. Interestingly, although Alistair's reaction was pretty sad and somewhat sullen ("I guess I'll leave you alone then, since that's obviously what you want."), I didn't lose any approval points. I guess I caught him early enough that he wasn't truly invested in the idea?

kbach36 wrote...
( I didn't tell him before hand, because you will lose points if you tell him you are supporting Anora.)

Um, I told him I was supporting her in my first playthrough and he was actually quite pleased. He was at +100 Love, so I didn't gain anything, but I didn't lose any points either.

I think I lost points (-10) because I had hardened him.  I am thinking about replaying, again , and not hardening him this time around.  Who do you prefer the hardened or unhardened Alistair?  I liked the hardened version, well I did up until I had to pick my heart up off the floor and dust it off and reload:crying:. I finally got him to keep me on as a mistress and was even made chancellor once.  Thanks to everyone who posted on how to do that, especially galesong1234 who started this wonderful and entertaining thread.  Cheers.

[Freckles04]

kbach36 wrote...

I think I lost points (-10) because I had hardened him.  I am thinking about replaying, again , and not hardening him this time around.  Who do you prefer the hardened or unhardened Alistair?  I liked the hardened version, well I did up until I had to pick my heart up off the floor and dust it off and reload:crying:. I finally got him to keep me on as a mistress and was even made chancellor once.  Thanks to everyone who posted on how to do that, especially galesong1234 who started this wonderful and entertaining thread.  Cheers.

Personally, I prefer hardened Alistair. I was concerned the first time I followed that route, but quickly realized that he's not significantly different. He just has more of a spine, and, really, that's not a bad thing. He's less willing to be a martyr (e.g., giving up his happiness for duty) and actually wants to become king. This is significant for me, because until/unless they fix the post-Landsmeet part of the game, I will likely always make him king so I don't get riled up by his buggy "I am king" dialogue when he's not.

If you're going to make him king, you need to harden him. I think he makes a good king all around, even if you don't, but he's a happier person for that one semi-cruel reaction.

[Freckles04]

Bah. Double post.

Modifié par Freckles04, 13 janvier 2010 - 06:02 .

[AnniLau]

kbach36 wrote...
I think I lost points (-10) because I had hardened him.  I am thinking about replaying, again , and not hardening him this time around.  Who do you prefer the hardened or unhardened Alistair?  I liked the hardened version, well I did up until I had to pick my heart up off the floor and dust it off and reload:crying:. I finally got him to keep me on as a mistress and was even made chancellor once.  Thanks to everyone who posted on how to do that, especially galesong1234 who started this wonderful and entertaining thread.  Cheers.

I hadn't hardened him on that playthrough, so that's probably the difference. So far, I do like the hardened Alistair a bit better - he seems more affectionate and dedicated to the relationship in some of his responses - but I've still got the Dalish and most of the Dwarves' quests to do before we hit the Landsmeet, so I guess we'll see.

[kbach36]

I was just wondering how different the game play was between the two versions of Alistair.  I don't mind putting him on the throne and being the mistress, my PC needs to be able to roam free being Dalish and all, staying at court wouldn't suit her. It is just he spends the whole game complaining that he doesn't want to be King, even after you harden him.  Then at Landsmeet he is "Make me King!" It would have been nice if they could have had him drop a few lines before hand suggesting that maybe he had changed his mind.  You know, how looking back you can see that the dumping scene was coming. Though I was oblivious on my first play through, blinded by love so it would seem.

The buggy endings get on my nerves too.  Like references to Queen Anora in the epilogue , when she is supposed to have had her title stripped and is now locked away in the tower.

[SurelyForth]

Hardened Alistair is the best (although I am a sucker for his "You're more important to me than anything. I don't want anyone else" line when you try to betroth him to Anora). If you look at things from a characterization point, it makes his story arc more satisfying and realistic. Even if he never becomes king, he'll be a better soldier and a happier person if he stops letting people walk all over him. After all that he has seen and accomplished as your comrade, it makes sense for him to realize that some amount of self-preservation is a good thing. I hate the implementation of the hardening, but it makes him a more defined character.



I just had my most recent noble put him on the throne with Anora while she went off to rebuild the Wardens (and remained his mistress) but I decided I hated that ending. He and Anora are like the Bill and Hillary Clinton of fictional feudal states (not a terrible thing in my book), but it sucked seeing her reject his affection and then be all "Why is he always joking?" like that isn't exactly what makes him awesome. So I went back and put him on the throne alone and became his Chancellor instead. It will probably be what I carry into Awakenings, since I love the PC so much, or I would have just left well enough alone and started a new character.

[Freckles04]

SurelyForth wrote...

Hardened Alistair is the best (although I am a sucker for his "You're more important to me than anything. I don't want anyone else" line when you try to betroth him to Anora). If you look at things from a characterization point, it makes his story arc more satisfying and realistic. Even if he never becomes king, he'll be a better soldier and a happier person if he stops letting people walk all over him. After all that he has seen and accomplished as your comrade, it makes sense for him to realize that some amount of self-preservation is a good thing. I hate the implementation of the hardening, but it makes him a more defined character.

I just had my most recent noble put him on the throne with Anora while she went off to rebuild the Wardens (and remained his mistress) but I decided I hated that ending. He and Anora are like the Bill and Hillary Clinton of fictional feudal states (not a terrible thing in my book), but it sucked seeing her reject his affection and then be all "Why is he always joking?" like that isn't exactly what makes him awesome. So I went back and put him on the throne alone and became his Chancellor instead. It will probably be what I carry into Awakenings, since I love the PC so much, or I would have just left well enough alone and started a new character.

Yeah, that little 2-second scene in the coronation when he tries to hold her hand and she yanks her hand away...it broke my heart. They might be good joint rulers, but I get the sense they'll never be more than that. And that's so sad. He deserves better...which is why I normally play a FHN so I can be his queen instead! :innocent:

[SurelyForth]

kbach36 wrote...

I was just wondering how different the game play was between the two versions of Alistair.  I don't mind putting him on the throne and being the mistress, my PC needs to be able to roam free being Dalish and all, staying at court wouldn't suit her. It is just he spends the whole game complaining that he doesn't want to be King, even after you harden him.  Then at Landsmeet he is "Make me King!" It would have been nice if they could have had him drop a few lines before hand suggesting that maybe he had changed his mind.  You know, how looking back you can see that the dumping scene was coming. Though I was oblivious on my first play through, blinded by love so it would seem.

The buggy endings get on my nerves too.  Like references to Queen Anora in the epilogue , when she is supposed to have had her title stripped and is now locked away in the tower.

If you fish around with the dialogue choices in the Landsmeet, you can have Alistair saying "make me king!" AND "Well, she seems to want it...and I know I don't."  So infuriating, that boy.
 
SLIGHT SPOILERS!

There is a mod that exists to make everyone acknowledge that Alistair is not going to be king if you chose for Anora to rule alone.  It also reinstates a dialogue that happens the first time you talk to Alistair after the Landsmeet where he thanks you for not making him king.  The only difference between hardened/unhardened Alistair is his response to the question "Are you all right with Anora being queen?" (definite yes v. "barely").  I

[kbach36]

SurelyForth wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

I was just wondering how different the game play was between the two versions of Alistair.  I don't mind putting him on the throne and being the mistress, my PC needs to be able to roam free being Dalish and all, staying at court wouldn't suit her. It is just he spends the whole game complaining that he doesn't want to be King, even after you harden him.  Then at Landsmeet he is "Make me King!" It would have been nice if they could have had him drop a few lines before hand suggesting that maybe he had changed his mind.  You know, how looking back you can see that the dumping scene was coming. Though I was oblivious on my first play through, blinded by love so it would seem.

The buggy endings get on my nerves too.  Like references to Queen Anora in the epilogue , when she is supposed to have had her title stripped and is now locked away in the tower.

If you fish around with the dialogue choices in the Landsmeet, you can have Alistair saying "make me king!" AND "Well, she seems to want it...and I know I don't."  So infuriating, that boy.
 
SLIGHT SPOILERS!

There is a mod that exists to make everyone acknowledge that Alistair is not going to be king if you chose for Anora to rule alone.  It also reinstates a dialogue that happens the first time you talk to Alistair after the Landsmeet where he thanks you for not making him king.  The only difference between hardened/unhardened Alistair is his response to the question "Are you all right with Anora being queen?" (definite yes v. "barely").  I

On my current playthrough  I did not put a hardened Alistair on the throne and I haven't been able to get any conversation with him after Landsmeet. Nothing. Nada.  Not a peep.  Did I hit a bug or glitch?  I would really like to be able to talk to him about it.  Arrrgh, frustrating.

[Little Mama]

Sounds like you hit the same bug as me. Pc version?
He is suppose to talk to you about it, but I never got that conversation and I olnly got a lot of "Im the king stuff" when I talked about the ritual.

Modifié par Little Mama, 13 janvier 2010 - 08:53 .

[kbach36]

Yep, Pc. I also don't get a detailed epilogue on my party members. I can talk to them at the very end and find out what they plan to do, but in the epilogue boxes I get what happened with all the other plot points- The Circle, Arl Eamon, the Dalish, the Dwarves, etc. but all I get is my party scattered to the wind, or some such thing. Even though Zevran asked to come with me, Shale and Wynne go in search of a way to turn Shale back into a Dwarf, etc. I haven't seemed to have any other problems, so I was just wondering.

And why can't I talk to my dog anymore.  I can talk to everyone else, but not Skippyjon. I love my dog, he really helped me through those tough times with Alistair.

Modifié par kbach36, 13 janvier 2010 - 10:21 .

[galesong1234]

Freckles04 wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

I think I lost points (-10) because I had hardened him.  I am thinking about replaying, again , and not hardening him this time around.  Who do you prefer the hardened or unhardened Alistair?  I liked the hardened version, well I did up until I had to pick my heart up off the floor and dust it off and reload:crying:. I finally got him to keep me on as a mistress and was even made chancellor once.  Thanks to everyone who posted on how to do that, especially galesong1234 who started this wonderful and entertaining thread.  Cheers.

Personally, I prefer hardened Alistair. I was concerned the first time I followed that route, but quickly realized that he's not significantly different. He just has more of a spine, and, really, that's not a bad thing. He's less willing to be a martyr (e.g., giving up his happiness for duty) and actually wants to become king. This is significant for me, because until/unless they fix the post-Landsmeet part of the game, I will likely always make him king so I don't get riled up by his buggy "I am king" dialogue when he's not.


If you're going to make him king, you need to harden him. I think he makes a good king all around, even if you don't, but he's a happier person for that one semi-cruel reaction.

Just finished my female human mage (gearing up for DAO: Awakenings) and decided to make Anora queen for the first time.  I hated the inconsistencies of the dialogue in which Alistair referred to himself as king all the time.

Besides the fact that I don't like Anora much...I prefer to play a buffed up Alistair. Buffed up Alistair wants to be king. And the only person that can be queen is a Cousland.  So, if I plan to keep Alistair, I will have to beef him up.  Besides, he's much more intensely romantic.

[galesong1234]

Freckles04 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

Also, for the first time I picked "I not sacrifising myself for the Archdemon" and was surprised by Alistair's dialogue. Try it...there's no negative approval points if you do.

I chose that dialogue only once, so I don't remember what he says, exactly, but I know that choice comes up in a later conversation.

I usually make him king, since the end-game seems to be geared for that, so I usually choose the "I'll make the final blow" dialogue in the conversation with Riordan. We can't have our new king dying now, can we?

The conversation basically goes something like this....

After Riordan tells you an Alistair that whovever make final blow to Archdemon.  I picked, "I'm not sacrifising myself for this." Then Alistair says he will make final blow. Then you tell him that you won't let him do it or something like that. Then Riordan steps in and says that usually the oldest GW will do that. It was still entertaining.

[galesong1234]

AnniLau wrote...

First playthrough, he and my Mage rode off into the sunset as Grey Wardens. Second play, I made a Human Noble because a) I didn't like the epilogue of how Anora ruled the country and I wanted to be Queen, damn it. I'm not sure who actually wound up running Ferelden the second time though, because Alistair and I apparently spent all of our time traveling around showing the people how much he adored me.

I have two more games running now, both of which I hardened Alistair in...I felt really bad about it the first time, but I actually wound up liking him a little better afterward, which I didn't think was possible. Anyway, one is a City Elf in a romance with him and I think he'll end up ruling alone with her as his mistress. The other is an Elf Mage that I made specifically to romance Zevran, so Alistair will probably end up married to Anora that time; I might even spare Loghain for the achievement, although I'd pretty much always rather cut his heart out with a spoon. Alistair is still a terrible temptation to me though. Even though I knew that PC was for Zev, I did all of the initial flirting and even accepted the rose before he showed up...as soon as Zevran joined us, I had to force myself to tell Alistair that it wasn't going to happen so the romance dialogue options would go away. Interestingly, although Alistair's reaction was pretty sad and somewhat sullen ("I guess I'll leave you alone then, since that's obviously what you want."), I didn't lose any approval points. I guess I caught him early enough that he wasn't truly invested in the idea?

kbach36 wrote...
( I didn't tell him before hand, because you will lose points if you tell him you are supporting Anora.)

Um, I told him I was supporting her in my first playthrough and he was actually quite pleased. He was at +100 Love, so I didn't gain anything, but I didn't lose any points either.

I have managed to keep Zev on as a 100 percent love interest and keep him on as a lover while never bedding him at by end of game. However, I can't seem to fully commit my pc to be completely in love with him only. I alway resort back to Alistair.  The only pc I would want to have Zev romance would be my elves. It's a height thing.

I guess my biggest problem....when I bring up his other lovers....I have a hard time telling him that it doesn't bother me that he has been with men.  And, besides the fact, he runs out of interactive dialogue.

[galesong1234]

katjaki wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...
That had to be the first time I ever heard him shout. Makes you not want to dissappoint or let him down.

Heheh, don't try the marry Alistair to Anora and let Loghain live route, then. He yelled at me for what felt like several minutes. I tried to find the scene from youtube but seems nobody has uploaded one from romancing point of view.

He also shouts rather loudly if your honest about telling Alistair that him and Morrigan will produce  a child if goes thru the ritual with her.  I always feel I have to be truthful when I have him do ritual with Morrigan.

Oh, and he's not to keen if you let Connor die.  I was tired of playing nice...and for Sh.... and giggles I decided to do that as well as mascre the Dalish elves. The sad part though, was that I was really sad when I had Arlessa Isolde kill her son Connor, especially as a mom. And it felt like right out genocide when I had Warewolves kill Dalish elves.

Modifié par galesong1234, 14 janvier 2010 - 08:32 .

[galesong1234]

SurelyForth wrote...

 I am a sucker for his "You're more important to me than anything. I don't want anyone else" line when you try to betroth him to Anora).

Is that the dialogue you get with unhardened Alistair? Just wondering as I never play without hardening him up. That dialogue sounds almost as good as, "Maker's breath, you're beautiful."

Modifié par galesong1234, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:12 .

[Gilsa]

kbach36 wrote...
I think I lost points (-10) because I had hardened him.  I am thinking about replaying, again , and not hardening him this time around.  Who do you prefer the hardened or unhardened Alistair?  I liked the hardened version, well I did up until I had to pick my heart up off the floor and dust it off and reload:crying:. I finally got him to keep me on as a mistress and was even made chancellor once.  Thanks to everyone who posted on how to do that, especially galesong1234 who started this wonderful and entertaining thread.  Cheers.

Dialogue-wise, I like unhardened Alistair, but it really depends on the origins of my characters and I usually end up hardening him anyway.

1. Dwarf noble -- Chock full of family betrayal. Goldanna being uppity is nothing compared to what the PC dealt with so IMO, my character would be telling Alistair that people are out for themselves. Especially true if I was planning on killing my brother when I returned to Ozrammar. Harden Alistair.

2. Dwarf commoner -- Even my own people don't consider me fit to even be a servant to make a living and I have a drunk mom constantly reminding me how worthless I am. Yeah, not holding Alistair's hand with Goldanna. Harden.

3. Human noble -- I could go either way on this. Losing your whole family in the origin can be traumatic. Family can be just as important to the PC as it is to Alistair so I'd probably tell him the PC is his family now. Non-harden. (Athough my human is actually a male and I'd probably tell him to grow a pair, lol. =p)

I reserve my elves for Zevran so I haven't thought about it too much. City elf would probably harden due to horrible circumstances with humans throughout the game. Dalish elf may not harden because the tribe was important and PC was forced to leave them behind. There's so little info on mages that it could go either way.

Here's another perspective to consider. You're going to eventually be the commander of the Grey Wardens. Ask yourself what Duncan would do if he had to harden Alistair or not.

[galesong1234]

Gilsa wrote...

kbach36 wrote...
I think I lost points (-10) because I had hardened him.  I am thinking about replaying, again , and not hardening him this time around.  Who do you prefer the hardened or unhardened Alistair?  I liked the hardened version, well I did up until I had to pick my heart up off the floor and dust it off and reload:crying:. I finally got him to keep me on as a mistress and was even made chancellor once.  Thanks to everyone who posted on how to do that, especially galesong1234 who started this wonderful and entertaining thread.  Cheers.

Dialogue-wise, I like unhardened Alistair, but it really depends on the origins of my characters and I usually end up hardening him anyway.

1. Dwarf noble -- Chock full of family betrayal. Goldanna being uppity is nothing compared to what the PC dealt with so IMO, my character would be telling Alistair that people are out for themselves. Especially true if I was planning on killing my brother when I returned to Ozrammar. Harden Alistair.

2. Dwarf commoner -- Even my own people don't consider me fit to even be a servant to make a living and I have a drunk mom constantly reminding me how worthless I am. Yeah, not holding Alistair's hand with Goldanna. Harden.

3. Human noble -- I could go either way on this. Losing your whole family in the origin can be traumatic. Family can be just as important to the PC as it is to Alistair so I'd probably tell him the PC is his family now. Non-harden. (Athough my human is actually a male and I'd probably tell him to grow a pair, lol. =p)

I reserve my elves for Zevran so I haven't thought about it too much. City elf would probably harden due to horrible circumstances with humans throughout the game. Dalish elf may not harden because the tribe was important and PC was forced to leave them behind. There's so little info on mages that it could go either way.

Here's another perspective to consider. You're going to eventually be the commander of the Grey Wardens. Ask yourself what Duncan would do if he had to harden Alistair or not.

LOL...I do believe Duncan would tell Alisair to grow a pair.....!!!!

[katjaki]

galesong1234 wrote...LOL...I do believe Duncan would tell Alisair to grow a pair.....!!!!

Don't know why, but I suddenly got this irresistible urge to see a slah pairing between Alistair and Duncan. It would fit the story quite well, actually. You know. Dark older mentor, funny blonde apprentice... Hmm, wonder why I wrote 'apprentice'? *lol*

Sorry, have to go take care of my massive nosebleed now.

[galesong1234]

kbach36 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

I was just wondering how different the game play was between the two versions of Alistair.  I don't mind putting him on the throne and being the mistress, my PC needs to be able to roam free being Dalish and all, staying at court wouldn't suit her. It is just he spends the whole game complaining that he doesn't want to be King, even after you harden him.  Then at Landsmeet he is "Make me King!" It would have been nice if they could have had him drop a few lines before hand suggesting that maybe he had changed his mind.  You know, how looking back you can see that the dumping scene was coming. Though I was oblivious on my first play through, blinded by love so it would seem.

The buggy endings get on my nerves too.  Like references to Queen Anora in the epilogue , when she is supposed to have had her title stripped and is now locked away in the tower.

If you fish around with the dialogue choices in the Landsmeet, you can have Alistair saying "make me king!" AND "Well, she seems to want it...and I know I don't."  So infuriating, that boy.
 
SLIGHT SPOILERS!

There is a mod that exists to make everyone acknowledge that Alistair is not going to be king if you chose for Anora to rule alone.  It also reinstates a dialogue that happens the first time you talk to Alistair after the Landsmeet where he thanks you for not making him king.  The only difference between hardened/unhardened Alistair is his response to the question "Are you all right with Anora being queen?" (definite yes v. "barely").  I

On my current playthrough  I did not put a hardened Alistair on the throne and I haven't been able to get any conversation with him after Landsmeet. Nothing. Nada.  Not a peep.  Did I hit a bug or glitch?  I would really like to be able to talk to him about it.  Arrrgh, frustrating.

You problably won't unless you saved up some dialogue questions.  After Landsmeet the game runs by pretty fast.  Dialogue will be driven by upcoming battle, ritual with Morrigan, etc.  Infact, Alistair is talks like a complete idiot when he is in the Arl of Dernerim's estate and the Redcliffe castle.

Do yourself a favor during that time. Before you do final battle, leave castle and go back to camp. At least get one more kiss or let's go to bed in with Alistair. It's also a good time to wrap up any conversations with them and misc other things.  

I've been finding it's better to hold onto some of the dialogue to use for moments such as these.

[Little Mama]

Thats a line I miss at the Landsmeet when Alistair protest about making Loghain a GW
"What do you think Duncan would have done?"
I wonder what Al would ansver to that one...

Doing everything the "wrong way" and killing everybody that set them self up against him is my noble "bad, bad mans" favorite interest.
Killing the elfes however takes som planning, since the dalish camp is the only place you can by unlimeted supplies of elfwroot.
I bye up a big stock and keep it in the case at Soldiers Peek...

Modifié par Little Mama, 14 janvier 2010 - 11:07 .

[ejoslin]

kbach36 wrote...

Yep, Pc. I also don't get a detailed epilogue on my party members. I can talk to them at the very end and find out what they plan to do, but in the epilogue boxes I get what happened with all the other plot points- The Circle, Arl Eamon, the Dalish, the Dwarves, etc. but all I get is my party scattered to the wind, or some such thing. Even though Zevran asked to come with me, Shale and Wynne go in search of a way to turn Shale back into a Dwarf, etc. I haven't seemed to have any other problems, so I was just wondering.

And why can't I talk to my dog anymore.  I can talk to everyone else, but not Skippyjon. I love my dog, he really helped me through those tough times with Alistair.

The only time you get detailed epilogue boxes other than your romantic partner is when you sacrifice yourself.  

[nyxocity]

I finally finished my first game. Female human noble (completely by chance) and put us both on the throne. Made the deal with Morrigan and all that. I was elated to kill the archdemon, and I was mostly satisfied with the epilogue, except for the one buggy card that is completely wrong. Something like "Alistair stayed for a time in Denerim with his love, much to Queen Anora's discomfort, before being called to Weisshaupt and vowing to return to his love's side". There is no Queen Anora, game. >I< am Queen. Or Princess-consort, whatever that means. So here's my question, anyone know what card is SUPPOSED to be in place of that one? Does one even exist?

[AnniLau]

thenyxie wrote...

I finally finished my first game. Female human noble (completely by chance) and put us both on the throne. Made the deal with Morrigan and all that. I was elated to kill the archdemon, and I was mostly satisfied with the epilogue, except for the one buggy card that is completely wrong. Something like "Alistair stayed for a time in Denerim with his love, much to Queen Anora's discomfort, before being called to Weisshaupt and vowing to return to his love's side". There is no Queen Anora, game. >I< am Queen. Or Princess-consort, whatever that means. So here's my question, anyone know what card is SUPPOSED to be in place of that one? Does one even exist?

I don't think they had any business calling the King of a frickin' country away to Weisshaupt either, Grey Warden or not. And isn't the PC head of the order in Ferelden anyway?