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ROMANCING ALISTAIR: WHAT ENDING TO PICK? YOU CHOOSE...


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Inakhia wrote...

I think Bann Teagan is the one NPC other than Alistair I'd really like the option to romance. He reminds me a bit of Alistair, but older more world weary and wise, which I suppose works since he's his uncle. I like in the final battle cut scenes, he's the one they focus on down in the city as the Archdemon dies. you see him look up at the tower with worry, and I like to think he's fearing the worst for my character. :D


I kind'a got that feeling about the end as well...I think it was very well acted. The cut scenes are so awesome.

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galesong1234 wrote...


You know how the saying goes...

"If you love something let it go, if it doesn't come back hunt it down and kill it."  Posted Image


Hehe. Not going to date you!

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I think I also see the 'Hardening' as less hardening him, more opening up his mind to the other possibilities. He's got such a lovely wry and dirty sense of humour, that its a shame that once honour and duty and the like come up his mind gets shunted into 'Templar/Chantry' mode. I see the hardening of him as breaking the stranglehold the Chantry has on his inhibitions, to some degree.

That being said, I can't really see how making him King is a happy ending for him. He sounds so much happier to just be a Grey Warden then take on the responsibilities of the Throne.

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PatT2 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...


You know how the saying goes...

"If you love something let it go, if it doesn't come back hunt it down and kill it."  Posted Image


Hehe. Not going to date you!


LOL....Sorry, already married. Posted Image

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galesong1234 wrote...
You know how the saying goes...

"If you love something let it go, if it doesn't come back hunt it down and kill it."  Posted Image


"If you love something let it go, if it doesn't come back hunt it down, tie it up and make it beg for "mercy".:devil:

....There, I fix it for you.
:innocent:

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Inakhia wrote...

I think I also see the 'Hardening' as less hardening him, more opening up his mind to the other possibilities. He's got such a lovely wry and dirty sense of humour, that its a shame that once honour and duty and the like come up his mind gets shunted into 'Templar/Chantry' mode. I see the hardening of him as breaking the stranglehold the Chantry has on his inhibitions, to some degree.
That being said, I can't really see how making him King is a happy ending for him. He sounds so much happier to just be a Grey Warden then take on the responsibilities of the Throne.




Have to agree...the temporary heartbreak of his sister causing Alistair to grow up into a man produces much better dialogue options.

My second round I played Al unhardened. Frankly, I didn't like the innocent Alistair. I found myself wanting to ring his neck.

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Inakhia wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...
You know how the saying goes...

"If you love something let it go, if it doesn't come back hunt it down and kill it."  Posted Image


"If you love something let it go, if it doesn't come back hunt it down, tie it up and make it beg for "mercy".:devil:

....There, I fix it for you.
:innocent:


Have to admit....Much better!!!Posted Image

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Yes, the problem is he's been brainwashed into being a follower all his life, by the Chantry and Templars on top of low self esteem from being kicked out of the only home he's really had due to the hatred of someone that was effectively his stepmother (grr Isolde). I suspect Duncan would have toughened him up had he had more time with him, but we have longer during the story than Duncan did. It was 6 months maybe compared to our year or two of travelling around the countryside together. I could almost hate the Chantry for ruining a perfectly good man like that. And still feel the palm of my gauntlet itch whenever I'm around that self righteous bint...

/rant

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I think I was just too caught up in the romance to see some of these character traits. By the end of my final 2nd game...I was like "We're gonn'a die in 30 years, maybe even during the battle, an you wonn'a break up now."

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The romance option if you play has a male it's much more Harsh :P .
It's either Morrigan Leave or Leliana Leave to Orlais to never be seen again ... Boring like hell.

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The romance option if you play has a male it's much more Harsh :P .
It's either Morrigan Leave or Leliana Leave to Orlais to never be seen again ... Boring like hell.


For a change, they have finally made a game with girls in mind.Posted Image Well, at least somewhat.Posted Image

Modifié par galesong1234, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:33 .


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Is it sad that I've just written up a very rough and rather long examination of Alistairs past explaining how and why he's turned out to be the kind of man he is?...>.<
...and is anyone interested in reading it?
Warning its very rough and I'm not a pysche student or such so YMMV.
:P

Modifié par Inakhia, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:25 .


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Ok, this has got to be the most ramantic (especially with British Accent) dumping dialogue ever. If some guy told me this in real life I would be depressed for at least weeks.

Alistair Dumping Dialogue....

1) I've thought of nothing else...(since Landsmeet)
2) I love you. More than I ever thought possible, but...I have to face what this means....
3) I could see it becoming very hard to tear myself away from you. Impossible even.
4) If this is what it must be....
5) You think it wasn't hard for me....It's not.
6) I love you. I'll always love you. But there are things that are more important than what I want. I wish it were otherwise.
7) We have a job to do. So please lets focus on that. Thinking about you is just too painful and too tempting.

Simutaneously Alistair is telling us how much he loves us, how much we tempt him, that he's dumping us to save the world.

Damn....that Blight.


Gosh....I am completely depressed. I knew I should have chose being queen.  Dumped by Alistair (see above text), broke it off with Zevran and he left, and didn't persuade Alistair to sleep with Morrigan and she left. Getting ready to do final battle. 

There's been some new dialogue  that I have not seen...

Alistair...
Before we head after the archdemon, I want to say something.
Either we both die trying to kill it, or one of us dies making the final blow. Either way, both of us aren't walking out of here.

...It's been an honor fighting at your side. Blah-blah-blah.

Was realing hoping I would get the I still love you option.

Modifié par galesong1234, 03 décembre 2009 - 09:39 .


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Inakhia wrote...

Is it sad that I've just written up a very rough and rather long examination of Alistairs past explaining how and why he's turned out to be the kind of man he is?...>.<
...and is anyone interested in reading it?
Warning its very rough and I'm not a pysche student or such so YMMV.
:P


Nah...It's food for thought. Maybe Bioware will use it in DAO2.

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Warning: Wall o Text ahead.
Purely my opinions and conclusions. You are more than happy to point out, poke holes in and argue with them at will.
:wizard::innocent::devil:
Alistair:
Hes a Royal bastard, raised amidst Nobility and then schooled by the Chantry and Templars.
What does that means.
Lack of self esteem coming from his childhood. Ever present knowledge that he's a royal bastard. Arl Eamon seems like a good man, and as much as he was Alistairs early father figure, I suspect he was also a somewhat distant figure to the young Alistair. Duty would have kept him at some length, then I'm sure Isolde's dislike would have ensured a certain distance.

    Alistair craves a close loving family more than anything else, which has been shown in the Desire demons dreamscape for him.
Being then carted off to the Chantry would have probably crushed the young boy to a degree. Torn away from the only home hes ever known because his possibly only known mother figure hated the sight of him. Then picked on at the Chantry for being, 1. a bastard, and 2. a bastard with probably some nobles habits due to being raised amongst such.3 Said nobility keeping a watchful eye on his tenure during his time at the Chantry.
Could possibly account for why he kept such a grudge against Arl Eamon up as a child. He felt angry, betray, resentful and most tellingly probably abandoned and unloved.
Destroying his mothers amulet's probably another sign of his intense feelings of abandonment. First by his mother dieing , then by the Arl.
With all of this, its probably not surprising that with his intelligence, that he developed a sharp wit and tongue to keep others at bay and to mask his own feelings under humour. Also where he became content to let others underestimate his intelligence, as people are often threatened by those smarter by themselves, and always willing to underestimate those that appear dumber than themselves.

    Look at the Chantry.
Raised probably in a predominantly all male environment. Possibly open to abuse, but by the sounds of it, Arl Eamon made frequent visits which I'm sure let everyone know Alistair had a high powered guardian. This would have allieviated any major abuse, but probably not the small things, like the tormenting any normal children can do.
He was essentially raised as a warrior monk. Templars probably being one of the primary means for a religiously minded male to take up orders as such, since the Chantry seems to be predominantly Female. Raised into a mindset like the romantic authurian knights of old. Gallant, attentive, romantic, forthright, honest aaaand Chaste.
Still essentially good natured and king, so he didn;t develope further bitterness, but instead let himself be involved in Chantry teachings and learnt to enjoy the learning and discipline of being a Templar trainee.

    Again being raised in an all male environment has meant hes had little exposure to women willing to flirt to any degree with him, and what few women hes seen hes probably been Chantry priests and superiors who would have schooled him in the knightly graces and arts of nobility. How to be courteous and reverent. He's been around women he's been raised to respect and converse with as an equal, hes been raised amongst men for whom being chaste isn' an issue of shame, such as it is probably a point of honour.
However he's still hung around in an all male environment and boys will be boys even when their old enought to know better.
So sex has probably been a hot topic. Its probably happened between the various other males templars as well. In that enviuronment lack of sexual experience wouldn't be something to be ashamed of, so much as simply par for the course. However being who he is and where he is, since he's (probably) not interested in men, its not something he's going to partake off and its going to stay an interesting, but distant topic on which he's not probably going to ever have any first hand experience off.

He's still not fit into the Templar life, having far to irreverent sense of humour to suit the more serious minded Templars, and probably too questioning of the Chantry really in general.
Then Duncan has appeared and whisked him away to the Grey Wardens....to promptly spend all his time again amongst more men. However these I'm sure are far more streetwise and world weary than any of the templars.
They will broarden his horizens and mind view even further. He will probably still get exposure to more women, however I'm doubtful the Wardens stay still long enough at any point to allow him to grow attatched in any meaningful way to any of them, since by this time hes well and truly under the habit of Chantry behavious towards women and wouldn't dream of entering into any kind of relationship other than a permanent one. I'm sure had Duncan had more time to wean him of some of his more odious Chantry leanings, this too would have faded in time, however....
Ostagar happens and he meets us.
So at this point we have One tall attractive, intelligent male. Well skilled in the arts of war and bloodshed. Capable and confident as a warrior which time with the Wardens would have only polished further since they take only the best. Raised in the best of Chantry and Templar traditions to be Gallant, Honest, Honourable, Chivalrous bleh bleh bleh...Being Alistair this all comes with a helping of attitude, hunour and a smart mouth to cover his insecurities.
No experience with women, and no shame about this. Embarrasment and annoyance at his own lack of knowledge are quite evident in those cut scenes I'm sure we've all watched multiple times, however.
Grey Wardens would have also by their nature encouraged his loyal self-sacrafising tendancies as well....
So we have the bundle of apparent cotradictions made manifest in one sexy as package named Alistair....:wub:

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Warning: Wall o Text ahead.
Purely my opinions and conclusions. You are more than happy to point out, poke holes in and argue with them at will.
So we have the bundle of apparent cotradictions made manifest in one sexy as package named Alistair....:wub:


Sure you're not a psyche mager!?! I doubt that even Bioware put this much effort into  Alistair's background.

It's definately a lot to chew on.  So, if you happen to meet guy like Alistair in real life, knowing of this kind'a baggage...would you want to be wooed by him or would you thick him completely annoying?

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galesong1234 wrote...

Inakhia wrote...

Warning: Wall o Text ahead.
Purely my opinions and conclusions. You are more than happy to point out, poke holes in and argue with them at will.
So we have the bundle of apparent cotradictions made manifest in one sexy as package named Alistair....:wub:


Sure you're not a psyche mager!?! I doubt that even Bioware put this much effort into  Alistair's background.

It's definately a lot to chew on.  So, if you happen to meet guy like Alistair in real life, knowing of this kind'a baggage...would you want to be wooed by him or would you thick him completely annoying?


Deep down I think all us would like to be wooed by him.

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Heh I think if he where real...I'd probably be interested alright. I'm attracted to intelligence, humour and personality. Which he has in spades. I'd see the more annoying habits as something to either deal with or possibly gently encourage him away from. And to definately have fun ...teaching him. ;D

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I think it helps that he's someone who isn't afraid to say what he feels. When he's going to say 'I love you." he means it. He believes in Romance and what woman doesn't love to be *really* romanced.

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Inakhia wrote...

Heh I think if he where real...I'd probably be interested alright. I'm attracted to intelligence, humour and personality. Which he has in spades. I'd see the more annoying habits as something to either deal with or possibly gently encourage him away from. And to definately have fun ...teaching him. ;D


Sheesh, no wonder my husband is so jealous of him.  Don't get me wrong, I love my husband, but sometimes the fantasy is so much better than reality.

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The other NPC I really WANT for my PC is Daveth, Tamlen and Ser Gilmore. Don't know why but I found those companions very interesting and I regret that they arn't perma companions.

About Alistair and Morrigan sex, I havn't too much problems with that, especially that he isn't too happy but If Im able to avoid this Im much happier now.

About cheats in DA:O I think that in single player games it shouldn't be so big problem for others. To be honest Im using cheats in DA:O often, i.e to make Druid type character ( rogue ranger with shapeshifter skills) or Paladin ( warrior with healing magic) etc.

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galesong1234 wrote...

Sheesh, no wonder my husband is so jealous of him.  Don't get me wrong, I love my husband, but sometimes the fantasy is so much better than reality.


Oh I know.!!
The line that *always* gets me is that breatheless., "Makers breathe, but your beautiful."
:wub:

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Inakhia wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

Sheesh, no wonder my husband is so jealous of him.  Don't get me wrong, I love my husband, but sometimes the fantasy is so much better than reality.


Oh I know.!!
The line that *always* gets me is that breatheless., "Makers breathe, but your beautiful."
:wub:


I love all his intimate lines...when he first kisses and he say's..So I fooled you.  Even his dumping dialogue is romantically tragic.

The only line I don't like, and I think it's a glitch, is when he talkin about going into Goldanna's. Right after that annoying SSSSIIIIISSSSTTTTERRRR.  I thought it was beneath him.

There's a real funny inactive dialogue between him and Shale where he screams like a girl.

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The other NPC I really WANT for my PC is Daveth, Tamlen and Ser Gilmore. Don't know why but I found those companions very interesting and I regret that they arn't perma companions.
About Alistair and Morrigan sex, I havn't too much problems with that, especially that he isn't too happy but If Im able to avoid this Im much happier now.
About cheats in DA:O I think that in single player games it shouldn't be so big problem for others. To be honest Im using cheats in DA:O often, i.e to make Druid type character ( rogue ranger with shapeshifter skills) or Paladin ( warrior with healing magic) etc.


Again, I ask...what cheats do you use to mod your character classes?

I've only used addxp to get better fighting stats...because I suck at some of the heavy battle scenes.

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Only cheat I've used is the console one to add extra gold on this last run thru. Battles aren't that hard for now I have some idea of what to expect on my 2nd play through. I'm using an assassin type rogue for stealth and some nasty back stabbity damage. Do some serious damage on targets. Lots of fun.