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[ejoslin]

Addai67 wrote...

You also get an option to bring it up to Arl Eamon when you first return to him after saving Anora (after Anora has left the room). This isn't really part of setting up the marriage, but is interesting from a dialogue standpoint. If you're in a romance with Alistair, Eamon has a rather nice comment to make.

It actually made me feel guilty, because Eamon will say it if you dumped Alistair but he's flagged, "Still in love."  Then you know that whenever you're not looking, Alistair, despite trying to hide it, is still giving you the puppy dog eyes.  Poor guy  

[errant_knight]

Hmmm.... I could have sworn this was a romancing Alistair thread not a 'dumping Alistair and romancing someone else' thread.

[ejoslin]

Well, you have to romance him to get that response, no? *grin* errant_kinght, no offense is meant at all.

[Chasseresse]

"You also get an option to bring it up to Arl Eamon when you first return to him after saving Anora (after Anora has left the room). This isn't really part of setting up the marriage, but is interesting from a dialogue standpoint. If you're in a romance with Alistair, Eamon has a rather nice comment to make."

Just to clarify, this means that even if you DON'T want Al and Anora to get married, if you bring up the marriage topic, you will just get dialogue and not set anything in motion for it to actually happen, right?

Hehe, even when my PCs are not in a relationship with Alistair, I would never make him marry her. "We" just don't trust her!

Modifié par Chasseresse, 14 février 2010 - 08:12 .

[SurelyForth]

The Alistair/Anora marriage is not set in stone until you announce it at the Landsmeet. You are not beholden to any promises/arrangements you made before the Landsmeet.



I almost always arrange the marriage, because doing so yields some fun conversation that you might otherwise miss, but I've only had them marry twice.

[errant_knight]

SurelyForth wrote...

The Alistair/Anora marriage is not set in stone until you announce it at the Landsmeet. You are not beholden to any promises/arrangements you made before the Landsmeet.

I almost always arrange the marriage, because doing so yields some fun conversation that you might otherwise miss, but I've only had them marry twice.

I expect it would have been mentioned by now, but if you arrange a marriage between Alistair and Anora, then engage yourself to him at landsmeet, does he have any comments?

[Sandtigress]

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

The Alistair/Anora marriage is not set in stone until you announce it at the Landsmeet. You are not beholden to any promises/arrangements you made before the Landsmeet.

I almost always arrange the marriage, because doing so yields some fun conversation that you might otherwise miss, but I've only had them marry twice.

I expect it would have been mentioned by now, but if you arrange a marriage between Alistair and Anora, then engage yourself to him at landsmeet, does he have any comments?

Nope not a one.  In my case though, I let Alistair duel and kill Loghain (though the game bugged twice and had me fight him even though I chose Alistair...) and in no case did Alistair comment other than with the "Really...." or "I have a dream like this" comment.

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

The Alistair/Anora marriage is not set in stone until you announce it at the Landsmeet. You are not beholden to any promises/arrangements you made before the Landsmeet.

I almost always arrange the marriage, because doing so yields some fun conversation that you might otherwise miss, but I've only had them marry twice.

I expect it would have been mentioned by now, but if you arrange a marriage between Alistair and Anora, then engage yourself to him at landsmeet, does he have any comments?

Nope not a one.  In my case though, I let Alistair duel and kill Loghain (though the game bugged twice and had me fight him even though I chose Alistair...) and in no case did Alistair comment other than with the "Really...." or "I have a dream like this" comment.

Too bad! It seems like an excellent opportunity for sarcasm.

[Sandtigress]

Since we're on the topic though, I thought hardened Alistair was supposed to grab the crown if he dueled Loghain? Every time I did it I still had to pick between Alistair and Anora. I thought that was a little weird. I did like Loghain acknowledging some of Maric in Alistair though. Might give him the fight from now on, even though my HNF was MUCH better at that fight than Alistair.

[Addai]

He will grab it if you try to spare Loghain. He'll do so even if you back down after his first protest. That is, as I recall: He will not try to seize it if you accept Loghain's surrender (he does say "kill him already!"), but if you agree with Riordan at first, even if you change your mind there's no opportunity to choose between him and Anora and declare yourself queen. I believe I'm remembering that correctly. I could try to run it again on a game save if no one else can deny or confirm. This almost messed up my HNF plot to rule beside him.

Edit:  Wait, I read your question again and realized you meant that a hardened Alistair will simply take the throne if he's the one to execute Loghain, and you won't have an opportunity to choose between him and Anora (and thus you wouldn't have a chance to declare yourself queen).  I believe you're right about that.  It shocked me the first time that happened, on my city elf character.  HNF made sure to do the deed herself.

Modifié par Addai67, 14 février 2010 - 11:02 .

[Thor Rand Al]

Sandtigress wrote...

Since we're on the topic though, I thought hardened Alistair was supposed to grab the crown if he dueled Loghain? Every time I did it I still had to pick between Alistair and Anora. I thought that was a little weird. I did like Loghain acknowledging some of Maric in Alistair though. Might give him the fight from now on, even though my HNF was MUCH better at that fight than Alistair.

If your playing a female I think you having to choose will always be there. 
I know if your playing a male n you harden him he will grab the crown.  There is no choices lol.  I found that out the hard way... First time I played HNM I didn't harden him n married Anora but didn't like some of the way I played through it.  Second time I did this I hardened Alistair but I was going to support Anora, ha the joke was on me cause he grabbed the crown n I didn't even have a say lmao.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

He will grab it if you try to spare Loghain. He'll do so even if you back down after his first protest. That is, as I recall: He will not try to seize it if you accept Loghain's surrender (he does say "kill him already!"), but if you agree with Riordan at first, even if you change your mind there's no opportunity to choose between him and Anora and declare yourself queen. I believe I'm remembering that correctly. I could try to run it again on a game save if no one else can deny or confirm. This almost messed up my HNF plot to rule beside him.

That's true, but he'll also sometimes name himself king if he's hardened and you have him duel Loghain. You get 0 say in that scenario. I've only had him do that when we lost the Landsmeet and had to fight before the duel and then chose him to duel. I always thought he would only do that if he was not in a relationship with a HN, but apparently it's not consistent. 

[Sandtigress]

Weird, maybe it bugged again. I was under the impression that he would grab the throne, though there's still the opportunity to work yourself in as queen, it just took a higher persuade check. Not that's a problem, I guess, since my girl has max coercion but is a warrior so her cunning is okay but not great. I just didn't get the options I thought I would. Maybe it will work correctly when I do this for real - still waiting for RtO!

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

That's true, but he'll also sometimes name himself king if he's hardened and you have him duel Loghain. You get 0 say in that scenario. I've only had him do that when we lost the Landsmeet and had to fight before the duel and then chose him to duel. I always thought he would only do that if he was not in a relationship with a HN, but apparently it's not consistent. 

My city elf character dueled Loghain herself, but had Alistair execute him.  Then it cuts directly to Alistair accepting the throne rather than the Warden having to mediate.  I thought "wait, isn't someone supposed to ask me?"  LOL  So on my HNF run, I made sure to execute Loghain myself, and got the usual Anora-Alistair-Eamon bickering session where you have the dialogue option to say you'll rule beside him.

Modifié par Addai67, 14 février 2010 - 11:06 .

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

He will grab it if you try to spare Loghain. He'll do so even if you back down after his first protest. That is, as I recall: He will not try to seize it if you accept Loghain's surrender (he does say "kill him already!"), but if you agree with Riordan at first, even if you change your mind there's no opportunity to choose between him and Anora and declare yourself queen. I believe I'm remembering that correctly. I could try to run it again on a game save if no one else can deny or confirm. This almost messed up my HNF plot to rule beside him.

That's true, but he'll also sometimes name himself king if he's hardened and you have him duel Loghain. You get 0 say in that scenario. I've only had him do that when we lost the Landsmeet and had to fight before the duel and then chose him to duel. I always thought he would only do that if he was not in a relationship with a HN, but apparently it's not consistent. 

Ahhh, this could be it.  We won Landsmeet this time - lol setting Alistair up with Anora is good for this at least.  Right now, I'm playing it as her not considering herself as a noble anymore, until she's forced to choose between Alistair and Anora (since Alistair kills Loghain, no more wedding bells for those two!) and figures if the man she loves is now free and still needs help ruling, she might as well do the job.  Maybe I'll just tell Anora to go stuff it and fight out Landsmeet, but that just feels like a coup instead of handing the throne to its rightful king with the country's support.  I dunno.

[Thor Rand Al]

Addai67 wrote...

He will grab it if you try to spare Loghain. He'll do so even if you back down after his first protest. That is, as I recall: He will not try to seize it if you accept Loghain's surrender (he does say "kill him already!"), but if you agree with Riordan at first, even if you change your mind there's no opportunity to choose between him and Anora and declare yourself queen. I believe I'm remembering that correctly. I could try to run it again on a game save if no one else can deny or confirm. This almost messed up my HNF plot to rule beside him.

Edit:  Wait, I read your question again and realized you meant that a hardened Alistair will simply take the throne if he's the one to execute Loghain, and you won't have an opportunity to choose between him and Anora (and thus you wouldn't have a chance to declare yourself queen).  I believe you're right about that.  It shocked me the first time that happened, on my city elf character.  HNF made sure to do the deed herself.

Lol ok wait.  If you're playing a HNF and Alistair executes Logain you still get to choose, he says wait, who's made this desicion conversation lol. I know this dialogue still comes up.  Only because playing a HNF there's the option of you ruling beside him.  So whether you execute Loghain or he does you still get to choose even with Alistair hardened.


For me that's the way it's always been.  But I've never let Alistair fight the dual with Loghain but he does execute Loghain. 

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 14 février 2010 - 11:16 .

[Chasseresse]

Yeah, not sure if that's bugged or not. I was NOT given an option to talk things over about who gets to rule when playing my mage and he was hardened (he did the duel), but I did get the option when on my HNF (he was hardened and also did the duel). Maybe you don't get the option to "discuss" when he's hardened, does the duel AND you are not HNF.

[SurelyForth]

Yeah, I just did it with my mage. Hardened Alistair, lost the Landsmeet and let Alistair duel/kill Loghain. He accepted the throne immediately. When I did the same thing with my HN, he put it off and the PC got to choose.

I think this happens because, otherwise, the HNF has no opportunity to become Queen. Males can talk to Anora beforehand, but females don't get the same opportunity with Alistair. I know if we're just friends, he'll take the throne without my PC having a say so even if she is HN.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 14 février 2010 - 11:14 .

[errant_knight]

As far as I know, and I may have missed something, Alistair will take the crown if he duels Loghain when hardened, unless the female warden is eligible to become queen. The game then allows you the opportunity to do so. Unfortunately, it does this be recycling a scene from the unhardened landsmeet ending which is rather odd, because it gives the impression that Alistair is backtracking until you get to the point where you ask him and he says he wants it and that Anora isn't an option. Other than that, this scene is the same as the unhardened version and allows you to engage yourself to Alistair.

Modifié par errant_knight, 14 février 2010 - 11:15 .

[Sandtigress]

Okay, HNF is the key part then. Which makes sense since only HNF can marry him, so its the only time you get that option. Works for me then, glad to know its not bugging on me in this. :-P My last romance bug resulted in me re-rolling an entire character, after all! Not that I'm not thoroughly enjoying the chance to play my Dalish right. Forgot how much I love her!

[kbach36]

Perhaps the key is the Landsmeet. I have played through as female Dalish rogue and female elf mage and both times we won Landsmeet And she got to mediate after the duel (letting Alistair do the deed once and pc another) . They both even had the conversation option to persuade and put herself forward as queen. I never did because I figured she would be shot down.



Maybe if you lose the vote and then duel/execute Loghain Alistair makes a grab for the crown because the nobles at Landsmeet went against him and even though Loghain is dead Anora could claim it on her own.

[ejoslin]

Ok, THIS I know for sure. If you have a HNF whom Alistair is in love with (91+ love) OR if you have set up a marriage between Alistair and Anora, even if Alistair kills Loghain, the you still have a dialog afterwards. Otherwise, IF Alistair kills Loghain, he just accepts. And this is true even if you have a HNF at friendly -- it's only at love that you get the option.  Of course, if your Warden kills Loghain, then you get the dialog afterwards no matter what.

Modifié par ejoslin, 15 février 2010 - 02:21 .

[SuperMedbh]

Bah, got dumped again I thought if we set up an arranged marriage between Anora and Alistair, he'd still see my character on the side. But nooooooo....he gave her the same speech he gave my other character about not being fair to the queen. Drat his morals. I suppose that's what happens if you fall for a chantry boy.

[Sandtigress]

SuperMedbh wrote...

Bah, got dumped again I thought if we set up an arranged marriage between Anora and Alistair, he'd still see my character on the side. But nooooooo....he gave her the same speech he gave my other character about not being fair to the queen. Drat his morals. I suppose that's what happens if you fall for a chantry boy.

To convince him to take you on as mistress, you have to first harden his personality through his personal quest, then when he tries to break up with you, tell him no one tells the king what to do and that being king isn't a punishment. 

I hate doing that to him though, so thankfully my favorite characters, the ones I consider "mine" are either just as honorable, or his fiancee. 

[SuperMedbh]

Aha....had hardened him (I think) but didn't pick the "no one tells the king" option. I guess I'll have to duel Loghain again. Now, if I only had that F5 save button in real life....

Edit:  Yay!  Worked.  Alistair:  "I feel like such an idiot".  You got that right, boy-o

Modifié par SuperMedbh, 15 février 2010 - 04:15 .