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Walter Black wrote...

I have a few Alistair romance questions regarding my current playthrough, and one I've been contimpating. My female Mage is in a romance with Alistair, if I dump him proir to the last battle, forego the Dark Ritual and have him in my group when facing the Archedemon, does he still sacrifice himself instead?

Also, if my female Human Noble romances him and makes king, but spares Logain to kill the Archedemon(again, no DR), can she still become queen, or does Alistair dump her when he leaves the group?


Unless your romance flag gets bugged (and this does happen occasionally), he will still sacrifice himself.  And if you're romancing someone else, they appear in the kiss scene, at least, if he or she is up there.  Well, I can't say that for sure about Leliana, but I know Zevran is in it so I assume it would be the same for Lel. It actually is very . . . heartbreaking.

And no, Alistair will not marry your human noble if you spare Loghain.  It doesn't even come up as an option.  You can choose to make Alistair king, Anora queen, or try to get them to marry.  However, you do NOT have to be in a relationship to marry Alistair -- he doesn't even have to like your NHF.  Just as long as you kill Loghain and have high persuasion, the marriage can happen.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 février 2010 - 03:39 .


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Yes, he won't continue the romance after that I'm afraid.



I've romanced Alistair only once. My Warden was a mage - no chance of becoming queen, but for the good of Fereldan she convinced him to marry Anora and told Anora she would step aside so as not to cause embarrassment. She spared Loghain but when it came to the final decision, decided it would be easier for Alistair to move on if she took the final blow herself.

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ejoslin wrote...
And if you're romancing someone else, they appear in the kiss scene, at least, if he or she is up there.  Well, I can't say that for sure about Leliana, but I know Zevran is in it so I assume it would be the same for Lel. It actually is very . . . heartbreaking.

Really? Couldn't this be because people often pick their romance for the party first?

I'm asking this because I always had my HNF appearing alone in the cutscenes at Ostagar when the battle starts. Dog is second in the party and you just see the ears - if you know what you're looking for. When you play the other origins Alistair is second in the party and you see him.

Maybe it's the same with the kiss cutscene. Anyone second in the party frame appears to be watching the kiss - if Alistair is second you two are alone. Just thinking because most things after the landsmeet seem so rushed that it's funny they worked something so special into this cutscene. Heck, they complety forgot to implement Alistair's dialogue flags for not being king (one of the dialogue mods says so in the description).

Modifié par klarabella, 16 février 2010 - 09:36 .


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klarabella wrote...

ejoslin wrote...
And if you're romancing someone else, they appear in the kiss scene, at least, if he or she is up there.  Well, I can't say that for sure about Leliana, but I know Zevran is in it so I assume it would be the same for Lel. It actually is very . . . heartbreaking.

Really? Couldn't this be because people often pick their romance for the party first?

I'm asking this because I always had my HNF appearing alone in the cutscenes at Ostagar when the battle starts. Dog is second in the party and you just see the ears - if you know what you're looking for. When you play the other origins Alistair is second in the party and you see him.

Maybe it's the same with the kiss cutscene. Anyone second in the party frame appears to be watching the kiss - if Alistair is second you two are alone. Just thinking because most things after the landsmeet seem so rushed that it's funny they worked something so special into this cutscene. Heck, they complety forgot to implement Alistair's dialogue flags for not being king (one of the dialogue mods says so in the description).


Awwwww, that is so sad!  I thought it was because of the romance -- I've never had Alistair sacrifice himself while in a full romance with him.  But you're right; it makes more sense that it's the second person in the party.  Just like it's the second and third person who watch you struggling with the sword after you kill the arch demon.

*cry*  But thanks!

Edit: It definitely is not the first time I've given the game designers too much credit.  But the other stuff in that post is correct.  You cannot marry Alistair if you spare Loghain no matter what, unfortunately.  And Alistair WILL sacrifice himself if flagged, "Still in love" which should happen if he ever falls in love, no matter where the breakup happens.

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 février 2010 - 11:34 .


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I'm sorry, ejoslin. I didn't mean to make you sad. I know, you love the Zevran romance so much. You are the reason why romancing Zevran up to the second offering of the earring is very high on my to do list!



I have no proof my assumption is right maybe I'm plain wrong.




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klarabella wrote...

I'm sorry, ejoslin. I didn't mean to make you sad. I know, you love the Zevran romance so much. You are the reason why romancing Zevran up to the second offering of the earring is very high on my to do list!

I have no proof my assumption is right maybe I'm plain wrong.


No, you're right.  I loaded up a save just before that battle, ended the romance with Zevran (eep, 82 friendly) and he was still in the kiss scene.  When I am motivated, I'll do the whole final onslaught with him third in the party, but it makes more sense that it's just party position.

*grin* SO sad :unsure:  I was really impressed that they had that in there!

Edit: Actually, in a way they DO have it in there since I would imagine most people have their romance partner in the second spot.  Though maybe most people aren't as weird about those types of details as I am.

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I don't recall at all that it was the nobility who were roused by the idea of a Theirin heir in The Stolen Throne. On the contrary, the nobles were as lily-livered and backstabbing as they are in the game.  For the most part they were cooperating with the Orlesians.  It was the common people who were roused by the Rebel Queen and Prince Maric. Yes, she was pushing the rebellion, but if she hadn't then Ferelden would still be an Orlesian backwater suffering terrible oppression. The Calenhad legend and the Theirin blood matter. You can even see it in-game. Loghain and Anora are ruthless, self-serving, and conniving despite being in positions of power. Alistair is noble and self-sacrificing despite having no advantage. He's a half-commoner who comes to power despite that, so on that score he and Anora are even.

As for what he says when he's about to die, I would have to put that down to convincing himself of what he needs to do and reassuring himself that it will turn out ok for the country. He clearly does not think Anora should rule when he gives his opinion pre-Landsmeet, when hardened.

Epilogue-wise we know that Anora is a capable ruler, but in-game we can only take her word for it that she's been running things. She has been on the throne with a Theirin leading. Her performance under her father's regency does not exactly show well for her.



There are several indications in game that Anora was a fine ruler. It is mentioned in a few places that she is a very popular queen, both amongst the nobility and amongst the common people. Even Eamon mentions this at his place. It was common knowledge that it was she running the show while Cailan played army, and the arrangement, by all the info we have, worked fine. Things didn't turn bad until Loghain tried his little coup, and in the cut scenes, we see Anora having issues with Loghain's handling of things. The problems going on during the story were due to Loghain's actions. Anora, in the beginning, was willing to trust her father, she had no reason not to. Later on in a later cutscene, we see her confronting him and demanding answers. But besides that cutscene, there were many other indications from conversations that Anora was a good queen.

In Stolen Throne, most of Moire's support came from rebellious nobles who were sick of the orelsians and wanted a blooded ferelden king on the throne. There were many nobles were were collaborating, but there were also many who were in support. Maric talks about how he and his mother were being hidden by said rebellious nobles. It was the nobles that were providing their own people for the rebel army. The nobiluty was quite divided.

But the commoners, we don't see much from them in game. The biggest insight into what the common people felt can be seen in Loghain and his father's little camp of outlaws, which was comprised of dispossesed commoners who had gone rogue. They weren't fighting the rebellion when we meet them, they were living on the run, trying to survive. They really didn't care about the politics of the situation, they only cared that someone would step up and fight the orlesians. Maric being the rightful king was a bonus, certainly, but to the commoner, had Maric simply been another noble, or a very charasmatic, powerful commoner dedicated to the cause, they would have followed him and fought with him.

They didn't wan't the Orlesians gone because they didn't have a properly blooded king on the throne, they wanted the orlesians gone necause they were ruthless, brutal occupiers subjugating the people with brutality and robbing them of their culture and traditions. In order to be rid of orlais, they also needed a leader of their own people. Maric was the best and most obvious candidate, but had someone else of strong conviction, charisma, and character stepped up and started a rebellion, they would have been happy to support them, and fight to the death.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

There are several indications in game that Anora was a fine ruler. It is mentioned in a few places that she is a very popular queen, both amongst the nobility and amongst the common people. Even Eamon mentions this at his place. It was common knowledge that it was she running the show while Cailan played army, and the arrangement, by all the info we have, worked fine. 

"Playing army" is no small thing in a feudal society, especially one in such a precarious position as Ferelden.  Return to Ostagar gives us a glimpse that Cailan is underrated as a strategist, too.   I don't deny that they make a good ruling couple, just as I think hardened Alistair + Anora is a good ruling couple.   Eamon does acknowledge that Anora is capable.

It's a factor of the story, I think, that the game gives you an actual choice to make with pros and cons on either side.  If it was too obvious, it would be less interesting.  Of course, you can tell that in my mind there is no real choice.  Posted Image

In Stolen Throne, most of Moire's support came from rebellious nobles who were sick of the orelsians and wanted a blooded ferelden king on the throne. There were many nobles were were collaborating, but there were also many who were in support. Maric talks about how he and his mother were being hidden by said rebellious nobles. It was the nobles that were providing their own people for the rebel army. The nobiluty was quite divided.

But the commoners, we don't see much from them in game. The biggest insight into what the common people felt can be seen in Loghain and his father's little camp of outlaws, which was comprised of dispossesed commoners who had gone rogue. They weren't fighting the rebellion when we meet them, they were living on the run, trying to survive. They really didn't care about the politics of the situation, they only cared that someone would step up and fight the orlesians. Maric being the rightful king was a bonus, certainly, but to the commoner, had Maric simply been another noble, or a very charasmatic, powerful commoner dedicated to the cause, they would have followed him and fought with him.

Consider Loghain's father and his reaction to Maric.  The perspective you're giving is Loghain's, not a general one.  Wherever it was known that the Prince was still alive, people rallied.  Granted that this was mostly the army and not necessarily the villagers (as with Gwaren), but as you rightly say, people were first trying to survive.

 In order to be rid of orlais, they also needed a leader of their own people. Maric was the best and most obvious candidate, but had someone else of strong conviction, charisma, and character stepped up and started a rebellion, they would have been happy to support them, and fight to the death.

There were mini-rebellions all over, but someone had to rally the Fereldans as a nation.  The legend of Calenhad and the mythos of the Theirin line did this.  Whether another legend could have done the same, that is possible.  In-game you do see that the Hero of River Dane mythos carries Loghain farther than he could have gotten otherwise. 

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Addai67 wrote...

"Playing army" is no small thing in a feudal society, especially one in such a precarious position as Ferelden.  Return to Ostagar gives us a glimpse that Cailan is underrated as a strategist, too.   I don't deny that they make a good ruling couple, just as I think hardened Alistair + Anora is a good ruling couple.   Eamon does acknowledge that Anora is capable.

It's a factor of the story, I think, that the game gives you an actual choice to make with pros and cons on either side.  If it was too obvious, it would be less interesting.  Of course, you can tell that in my mind there is no real choice.  Posted Image



And that is the beauty of the game. You can rationally choose many options, all of the making sense. Both of our reasons, from different perspectives are sound. I can understand why people are hesitant to let Anora have the throne on her own, especially if she betrays your character during the game. She is Loghain's daughter, and she is pretty unscrupulous in pursuit of the throne.

nor do I think your choice or reasoning are inferior to mine. I was just providing my own reasons why I prefer to let the ice-shrew keep her throne, and I often play selfish characters that have no intention of sharing Alistair with her or any other snotty, icy noble wench. My human noble, who finds the idea of becoming queen tedious and confining, likes the idea as well.

If you are playing a character who is noble, has a strong sense of duty, tradition, and family, then it would make perfect sense to toughen Alistair up and put him on the throne to preserve the bloodline, as well as give him what most nobles would consider his blood right and duty. Or a non-noble, such as an elf, would see that Alistair is far more tolerant and compassionate towards her people than the standing nobility, and would see him as a better ruler who could improve the plight of her people over Anora, who doesn't seem to be doing jack for the elves, even overlooked crimes committed against them. For other Origins, who are outside of the norm of ferelden society, it's a pretty open book, since for the most part, they are either unaffected by ferelden politics, or don't see a reason to care. Dwarves have their own government and system, the Dalish roam free and will violently defy any attempts to oppress them, and mages probably could care less, since it's the Chantry holding their chain, so one ruler could be as meaningless as the next.

Consider Loghain's father and his reaction to Maric.  The perspective you're giving is Loghain's, not a general one.  Wherever it was known that the Prince was still alive, people rallied.  Granted that this was mostly the army and not necessarily the villagers (as with Gwaren), but as you rightly say, people were first trying to survive.



very true. Maric surviving certainly added more emphasis, legitimacy, and desire to join the rebellion, because it meant to the people that they still had a rightful king to fight for. However, let's say Loghain had never found maric, and maric died with his mother. I think that, had some other noble or commoner felt inspired, and took up the fallen banner and had the strength of personality, that the rebellion could have concievable continued, and people would have fought for them because they were getting rid of orlais.

There were mini-rebellions all over, but someone had to rally the Fereldans as a nation.  The legend of Calenhad and the mythos of the Theirin line did this.  Whether another legend could have done the same, that is possible.  In-game you do see that the Hero of River Dane mythos carries Loghain farther than he could have gotten otherwise. 



here, you are correct. Legends and history have an awesome power. Loghain would have never gotten away with everything he did were he not shrouded in his own legend, and people had a large amount of hero worship-trust for him.

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Heh Alistair and my Dalish are currently in "I can't talk to you" mode. The next conversation will trigger his "So will you miss it" conversation, and I'm trying to pace the romance! He's not allowed to admit his feelings for her until after the Brecilian forest! lol "I can't talk to you" syndrome is so tough to deal with...I just know he's going to get randomly selected while I'm trying to loot something, and that will just spoil the romance of it all!

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Sandtigress wrote...

Heh Alistair and my Dalish are currently in "I can't talk to you" mode. The next conversation will trigger his "So will you miss it" conversation, and I'm trying to pace the romance! He's not allowed to admit his feelings for her until after the Brecilian forest! lol "I can't talk to you" syndrome is so tough to deal with...I just know he's going to get randomly selected while I'm trying to loot something, and that will just spoil the romance of it all!


Yes!  I got the rose conversation during the Provings once.  The Provings!  I think the only place less romantic than that would be in front of the Broodmother.

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Sandtigress wrote...

Heh Alistair and my Dalish are currently in "I can't talk to you" mode. The next conversation will trigger his "So will you miss it" conversation, and I'm trying to pace the romance! He's not allowed to admit his feelings for her until after the Brecilian forest! lol "I can't talk to you" syndrome is so tough to deal with...I just know he's going to get randomly selected while I'm trying to loot something, and that will just spoil the romance of it all!



I know your frustration. I have to do that, as well as deprive Alistair of his action figures in order to pace the relationship with the progress of the game, otherwise, I get at 100 adore by the time I hit my thrid quest for treaties. That's tough as well...his kid-at-christmas response when you give him a present is so damned cute...it's just like the way my husband reacts when I sneak him a nifty gift or make him his favorite pie for dinner.

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LOL at the accidental click on an NPC provoking that conversation you were avoiding, or the one really inappropriate to the moment. Morrigan told my HNF character in the middle of clearing out the Tevinter slavers that she had been smiling for hours since she and Alistair exchanged glances. HNF quite appropriately replied "that's ridiculous." Because, in the middle of the alienage carnage, it certainly was!

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

Heh Alistair and my Dalish are currently in "I can't talk to you" mode. The next conversation will trigger his "So will you miss it" conversation, and I'm trying to pace the romance! He's not allowed to admit his feelings for her until after the Brecilian forest! lol "I can't talk to you" syndrome is so tough to deal with...I just know he's going to get randomly selected while I'm trying to loot something, and that will just spoil the romance of it all!



I know your frustration. I have to do that, as well as deprive Alistair of his action figures in order to pace the relationship with the progress of the game, otherwise, I get at 100 adore by the time I hit my thrid quest for treaties. That's tough as well...his kid-at-christmas response when you give him a present is so damned cute...it's just like the way my husband reacts when I sneak him a nifty gift or make him his favorite pie for dinner.


He got the golden statuette at the beginning in Lothering because I wanted to get the "shortened life" speech before he mentions it at camp that night - otherwise, its kind of awkward for him to mention it first here.  But otherwise, no gifts, we're on the second and a half treaty quest (Redcliffe/mages but not Haven), and he's at 90 already.  :P  He's just too adorable!

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Inappropriate juxtopositions of dialogue/situations are one of my favorite things about this game. Like when I get the Oghren-select belch as he's hacking at Branka, or Alistair and Wynne talking about her son being taken away from her while he blithely stabs away at some thaig crawlers.

The last time I let Alistair duel Loghain, he launched into it with his line about wanting to stop for lunch. The Landsmeet was so quiet, and his voice was so loud, it made me laugh for almost a full minute straight. I imagined Brand Cousland spent the rest of the duel in full-on facepalm, praying that his fighting skills made up for his lack of decorum.

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The last time I let Alistair duel Loghain, he launched into it with his line about wanting to stop for lunch. The Landsmeet was so quiet, and his voice was so loud, it made me laugh for almost a full minute straight. I imagined Brand Cousland spent the rest of the duel in full-on facepalm, praying that his fighting skills made up for his lack of decorum.

LOL!  That is awesome.

On one of my Alistair games, I had this RP thing where I would have my character kiss him at crucial moments like after a big battle or when she thought there was a good chance they were about to die.  One of these was just before heading out to the archdemon.

PC:  Alistair, we might not make it through this, so...
A:  I'm wondering what you think of the other members of our little party.
PC:  What?  Oh, uh... we could talk about that first, I guess...
Sten:  Qadan, tell me this is not your strategy for defeating the archdemon.  We bore him to death with idle gossip?

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SurelyForth wrote...

Inappropriate juxtopositions of dialogue/situations are one of my favorite things about this game. Like when I get the Oghren-select belch as he's hacking at Branka, or Alistair and Wynne talking about her son being taken away from her while he blithely stabs away at some thaig crawlers.

The last time I let Alistair duel Loghain, he launched into it with his line about wanting to stop for lunch. The Landsmeet was so quiet, and his voice was so loud, it made me laugh for almost a full minute straight. I imagined Brand Cousland spent the rest of the duel in full-on facepalm, praying that his fighting skills made up for his lack of decorum.



Omg, YES!!!!! THIS!!!! I've had the exact same thing happen when I clicked Oghren in the Branka fight, because i wanted him to kill her. I laughed so hard, i was in the middle of golem mayhem massacre fun, and Oghren is hacking away at his wife, and what does he do? A loud, juicy belch.

I've never gotten Alistair dueling Loghain and mentioning lunch. I clicked on him and he said "My Love?" while he's shield pummeling Loghain. Now that was just....creepy.

I also give Alistair the golden statuette in Lothering, but after that, I still hold out on his army men. And you know what? He STILL ends up loving me! By the end of the game, I usually end up having more unused gifts for him left in my camp storage chest than for any other companion. So I end up giving them all to him at once.

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SurelyForth wrote...

Inappropriate juxtopositions of dialogue/situations are one of my favorite things about this game. Like when I get the Oghren-select belch as he's hacking at Branka, or Alistair and Wynne talking about her son being taken away from her while he blithely stabs away at some thaig crawlers.

The last time I let Alistair duel Loghain, he launched into it with his line about wanting to stop for lunch. The Landsmeet was so quiet, and his voice was so loud, it made me laugh for almost a full minute straight. I imagined Brand Cousland spent the rest of the duel in full-on facepalm, praying that his fighting skills made up for his lack of decorum.


That is hilarious!  The best I can offer was I had gotten into a very messy battle with Darkspawn in Caridin's Cross and decided to make a...tactical retreat.  While all of us were running like hell, battle music still playing, Alistair launched into the "Pretend you're a woman" dialogue with Wynne.

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DARN YOU ALISTAIR!!!! lol He ran through just as I was going to click on a sarcophagus in the ruins, and he starts confessing how much he cares about her. Now is not the time!!!! lol I think there's an autosave not too far back...

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I've been playing ME2 for a while. There's no romance, but you pretty much can have sex with everyone and any species. That said, I missed Alistair.



Have been playing HNF with unhardened Alistiar. It feels like the romance is going by way to fast. I hold back the gifts and wait to use critical dialogue; yet, Alistair seems to fall too fast. I've even resorted to telling Alistair that, "I don't even know who he is" (dialogue after he tells you he a bastard prince) just to get him just a little mad at me. Talk about holding grudges.

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That's one thing that I find really interesting about Alistair. He falls hard and fast, but if you choose the right dialogue options, he seems to be much smarter about the relationship than the PC sometimes. I'm not sure if it's because I have Dialogue Tweaks and the Alistair Dialogue Patch, but choosing "I don't know" and "I don't know if we have a future together" led to a very interesting response.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

"Playing army" is no small thing in a feudal society, especially one in such a precarious position as Ferelden.  Return to Ostagar gives us a glimpse that Cailan is underrated as a strategist, too.   I don't deny that they make a good ruling couple, just as I think hardened Alistair + Anora is a good ruling couple.   Eamon does acknowledge that Anora is capable.

It's a factor of the story, I think, that the game gives you an actual choice to make with pros and cons on either side.  If it was too obvious, it would be less interesting.  Of course, you can tell that in my mind there is no real choice.  Posted Image



And that is the beauty of the game. You can rationally choose many options, all of the making sense. Both of our reasons, from different perspectives are sound. I can understand why people are hesitant to let Anora have the throne on her own, especially if she betrays your character during the game. She is Loghain's daughter, and she is pretty unscrupulous in pursuit of the throne.

nor do I think your choice or reasoning are inferior to mine. I was just providing my own reasons why I prefer to let the ice-shrew keep her throne, and I often play selfish characters that have no intention of sharing Alistair with her or any other snotty, icy noble wench. My human noble, who finds the idea of becoming queen tedious and confining, likes the idea as well.

If you are playing a character who is noble, has a strong sense of duty, tradition, and family, then it would make perfect sense to toughen Alistair up and put him on the throne....


Call it a mood, but I recently decided to let Loghain live to see what Alistair would do. Played 2x  with Alistair unhardened and me playing HNF.

Usually, hardened Alistair wants to be king; however, that doesn't seem to be true.  I believe, deep down, Alistair wants to be king. He's just not as decisive as when he is hardened.

The first battle at Landsmeet I decided to let Loghain live and Alistair steps in, very angrily I might add, and says that he might not have want to be king but he does now if it means  the death of Loghain. Alistairs choice to be king had more to do with wanting Loghain's death.

It was the 2nd Landsmeet battle and Reordan suggest that Loghain live.  I think I picked something to the effect that I had to choose between Loghain living or Alistair leaving (heavy sigh). I chose to make Anora queen (stupid me). He told me how I betrayed him of all people. That his hopes and dreams were dashed away. That he knew better than to  hope.  I had the sense that it had more to do with be accepted and not a bastard. He desired to be king.

The whole thing was rather dreadful. It ended with Anora wanting to execute Alistair. Me pleading with Anora to save Alistair and then pleading with Alistair to stay.

I figured this out. The best way to keep Reordan from stepping in and pleading Loghain's case, is to just let Alistair battle Loghain at the Landsmeet.  Because unhardend and hardedned Alistair doesn't hesitate to take  the final blow. "Forget about Maric, this is for Duncan."

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Monica21 wrote...

That's one thing that I find really interesting about Alistair. He falls hard and fast, but if you choose the right dialogue options, he seems to be much smarter about the relationship than the PC sometimes. I'm not sure if it's because I have Dialogue Tweaks and the Alistair Dialogue Patch, but choosing "I don't know" and "I don't know if we have a future together" led to a very interesting response.


I have that mod, but didn't notice much of a difference in those options.  What responces did you get?  

What I liked about the mod, was that he acknowledged how he really feels about you, if you've been dumped.

What I actually hate about Alistair (well the game) is that if you break up with him, Alistair doesn't fight back and there's not a chance to change your mind. He just accepts it.  The only time I've managed to get a responce out Alistair was when he was jealous of Zevran and I picked, "Why do I have to choose ..." It lead to some other random dialogue and it became a most interesting discussion.  However, it also came with approximately -17 approval point's as well, but we were still together.Posted Image

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galesong1234 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

That's one thing that I find really interesting about Alistair. He falls hard and fast, but if you choose the right dialogue options, he seems to be much smarter about the relationship than the PC sometimes. I'm not sure if it's because I have Dialogue Tweaks and the Alistair Dialogue Patch, but choosing "I don't know" and "I don't know if we have a future together" led to a very interesting response.


I have that mod, but didn't notice much of a difference in those options.  What responces did you get?  

What I liked about the mod, was that he acknowledged how he really feels about you, if you've been dumped.

What I actually hate about Alistair (well the game) is that if you break up with him, Alistair doesn't fight back and there's not a chance to change your mind. He just accepts it.  The only time I've managed to get a responce out Alistair was when he was jealous of Zevran and I picked, "Why do I have to choose ..." It lead to some other random dialogue and it became a most interesting discussion.  However, it also came with approximately -17 approval point's as well, but we were still together.Posted Image

If you choose "I don't know" his response is "as long as we're on the same page." If you go with those options, he tells you right there about Grey Wardens not being able to have children together, thus the PC shouldn't be surprised after the Landsmeet if she chooses to have Alistair rule alone. He does say that your future may not include children or marriage, but there's no doubt (at least to me) that he does care very much for the PC. The whole reason I went with that choice is because my HNF is an ardent royalist. She'd just heard Eamon say that he was going to put Alistair forward as king, and she politically savvy enough to know that even if she is a Cousland, a Grey Warden may not be the best choice for a queen.

And my fairly silly psychoanalysis of Alistair is that he doesn't fight back because he knows that if you don't break up with him, he'll have to. He's not a guy who likes confrontation. He knows he'll probably be king and he knows he needs to provide an heir. If there's any constant about Alistair it's that he's bound by duty.

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Monica21 wrote...

galesong1234 wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

That's one thing that I find really interesting about Alistair. He falls hard and fast, but if you choose the right dialogue options, he seems to be much smarter about the relationship than the PC sometimes. I'm not sure if it's because I have Dialogue Tweaks and the Alistair Dialogue Patch, but choosing "I don't know" and "I don't know if we have a future together" led to a very interesting response.


I have that mod, but didn't notice much of a difference in those options.  What responces did you get?  

What I liked about the mod, was that he acknowledged how he really feels about you, if you've been dumped.

What I actually hate about Alistair (well the game) is that if you break up with him, Alistair doesn't fight back and there's not a chance to change your mind. He just accepts it.  The only time I've managed to get a responce out Alistair was when he was jealous of Zevran and I picked, "Why do I have to choose ..." It lead to some other random dialogue and it became a most interesting discussion.  However, it also came with approximately -17 approval point's as well, but we were still together.Posted Image

If you choose "I don't know" his response is "as long as we're on the same page." If you go with those options, he tells you right there about Grey Wardens not being able to have children together, thus the PC shouldn't be surprised after the Landsmeet if she chooses to have Alistair rule alone. He does say that your future may not include children or marriage, but there's no doubt (at least to me) that he does care very much for the PC. The whole reason I went with that choice is because my HNF is an ardent royalist. She'd just heard Eamon say that he was going to put Alistair forward as king, and she politically savvy enough to know that even if she is a Cousland, a Grey Warden may not be the best choice for a queen.

And my fairly silly psychoanalysis of Alistair is that he doesn't fight back because he knows that if you don't break up with him, he'll have to. He's not a guy who likes confrontation. He knows he'll probably be king and he knows he needs to provide an heir. If there's any constant about Alistair it's that he's bound by duty.


See your point.  Yes, he is very duty boud.  Or, should we say that unhardened Alistair is duty bound, while hardened Alistair is willing to risk more!?!

Even though Eamon plans to put Alistair on the thrown.  Do we have any right as Anora is still queen? Unless we take on the fact she is not of royal blood, and only could claim the throne through marriage. With that in mind, Couslands are of noble blood and would have more claim than Anora. So here we stand, Alistair should rule due to being Maric's son. Female Cousland is of noble blood as well and is in love with Alistair.

The kicker is that they are both Grey Wardens and there is no guarantee that Alistair could even provide an heir with the taint and a wife who is doesn't have the taint. I guess to me that makes for a crappy excuse to be dumped - on the assumption that he might be able to produce an heir.