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[SurelyForth]

errant_knight wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

For the Ali fans:

If you made Alistair king and did Morrigan's ritual, what is your feeling on what he and your PC will do with Anora after defeating the archdemon? Does she get the Anne Boleyn treatment? Live out her days in Fort Drakon?

If he's feeling charitable, he treats her like Eleanor of Aquitaine. She's imprisoned, but it's in a place she'll feel comfortable, say, a minor family property, with her staff and guard replaced by Alistair's.

I can't see him keeping her somewhere like the Fort. I think he'd either let her live in some degree of comfort or have her killed. Death would be the safest option. Exile would be risky, and letting her free, even with guards, would be too risky. The Mac Tirs have their supporters.

Even hardened, I can't see Alistair going with the death thing. She didn't plan the coup, she just took advantage of it. Her only real crime is refusing to swear fealty. I'm thinking he'll have her imprisoned somewhere with a lot of guards.

Agreed on all counts. My PC would certainly encourage this line of action. I'm not even opposed to keeping her as a failsafe heir (until a better one comes along, if that ever happens) because I have a feeling that Alistair is always going to be in some advanced state of danger and that might be enough to placate her more frothy-mouthed supporters. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 28 février 2010 - 02:06 .

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Agreed on all counts. My PC would certainly encourage this line of action. I'm not even opposed to keeping her as a failsafe heir (until a better one comes along, if that ever happens) because I have a feeling that Alistair is always going to be in some advanced state of danger and that might be enough to placate her more frothy-mouthed supporters. 

This is why my HNF will have difficulty with allowing her to live.  She's as royalist as Eamon and would prefer that the Mac Tirs be wiped out, given Anora's statements at the Landsmeet after she had been defeated.  She not only will not swear fealty, she gives a veiled threat to Alistair, saying if the tables had been turned she would have executed him.  Allowed to live, she certainly is going to try to kill you and him, if not by open rebellion then by the snake in the night.  Would you allow such a threat to Alistair to continue to exist?

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Agreed on all counts. My PC would certainly encourage this line of action. I'm not even opposed to keeping her as a failsafe heir (until a better one comes along, if that ever happens) because I have a feeling that Alistair is always going to be in some advanced state of danger and that might be enough to placate her more frothy-mouthed supporters. 

This is why my HNF will have difficulty with allowing her to live.  She's as royalist as Eamon and would prefer that the Mac Tirs be wiped out, given Anora's statements at the Landsmeet after she had been defeated.  She not only will not swear fealty, she gives a veiled threat to Alistair, saying if the tables had been turned she would have executed him.  Allowed to live, she certainly is going to try to kill you and him, if not by open rebellion then by the snake in the night.  Would you allow such a threat to Alistair to continue to exist?

Alas, both my canon characters are soft-hearted, a bit naive, and secure in their skills and Alistair's (and maybe Zevran and Leliana's ).  With my HNF, she's there to watch Alistair's back while she's not at Amaranthine; my Dalish girl is a little more practical and she would probably have eyes on Anora's every move.

Lots of people have delivered veiled threats to both of them - I guess they're not that threatening anymore, especially from a non-warrior.  Of course, I'm sure Anora would have some sneaky way of doing things, but we haven't traveled in the company of a bard and an assassin for nothing.

I suppose in the end it comes down to not being wiling to kill someone just because they might be a threat some day.  Neither of my girls could do it with Connor, they both take up the Dark Ritual, both spared Jowan, both allowed Zevran to live.  They're great believers in second chances and offering someone the chance to do good with their lives, and Anora is still capable of not turning against the now-rightful king.  She is her father's daughter, and I suppose I could see her doing something crazy if she thought the kingdom really was in danger, but I have faith she would see that Alistair is not driving the country to ruin and be content.

Heh, we might have to provide our own tutors for her children though, just to make sure they don't get any crazy ideas in their heads about being rightful rulers.  Her best bet would be to marry, have kids (if she can) and get one of them betrothed to a child of Alistair's...which would happen over my HNF's dead body.

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Agreed on all counts. My PC would certainly encourage this line of action. I'm not even opposed to keeping her as a failsafe heir (until a better one comes along, if that ever happens) because I have a feeling that Alistair is always going to be in some advanced state of danger and that might be enough to placate her more frothy-mouthed supporters. 

This is why my HNF will have difficulty with allowing her to live.  She's as royalist as Eamon and would prefer that the Mac Tirs be wiped out, given Anora's statements at the Landsmeet after she had been defeated.  She not only will not swear fealty, she gives a veiled threat to Alistair, saying if the tables had been turned she would have executed him.  Allowed to live, she certainly is going to try to kill you and him, if not by open rebellion then by the snake in the night.  Would you allow such a threat to Alistair to continue to exist?

None of my PC's are royalists and they would never be ok with killing someone for not swearing fealty, even if that person would do the same in a reversed scenario. I also think it very unlikely that she could stage any kind of coup from imprisonment, just because Alistair is so popular, he and the PC are fearsome warriors, and they have enough support at high and low levels to smack down any attempts. She might try something sneaky, but Alistair isn't ignorant to those sorts of things and will probably watch his back quite carefully (in addition to the PC and Zevran watching his back, as well). If she were to try something, she would then be executed. I wouldn't be able to do that before she proved herself a real threat. 

[errant_knight]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

Agreed on all counts. My PC would certainly encourage this line of action. I'm not even opposed to keeping her as a failsafe heir (until a better one comes along, if that ever happens) because I have a feeling that Alistair is always going to be in some advanced state of danger and that might be enough to placate her more frothy-mouthed supporters. 

This is why my HNF will have difficulty with allowing her to live.  She's as royalist as Eamon and would prefer that the Mac Tirs be wiped out, given Anora's statements at the Landsmeet after she had been defeated.  She not only will not swear fealty, she gives a veiled threat to Alistair, saying if the tables had been turned she would have executed him.  Allowed to live, she certainly is going to try to kill you and him, if not by open rebellion then by the snake in the night.  Would you allow such a threat to Alistair to continue to exist?

None of my PC's are royalists and they would never be ok with killing someone for not swearing fealty, even if that person would do the same in a reversed scenario. I also think it very unlikely that she could stage any kind of coup from imprisonment, just because Alistair is so popular, he and the PC are fearsome warriors, and they have enough support at high and low levels to smack down any attempts. She might try something sneaky, but Alistair isn't ignorant to those sorts of things and will probably watch his back quite carefully (in addition to the PC and Zevran watching his back, as well). If she were to try something, she would then be executed. I wouldn't be able to do that before she proved herself a real threat. 

Alistair didn't ask the PC what he should do with her before the battle, and it's his decision afterwards. He doesn't lack for opinions about things he feels strongly. Of course, since the PC controls the game and not Alistair, we don't always find that out until too late--but that's gameplay mechanics, not whether Alistair is capable of forming his own opinion. It's possible that there will be a conversation about it in Awakenings, maybe one in which we can control the outcome (although I rather hope not), but you can bet that he will still have a strong opinion about something like that. And now he's the king, not someone who's agreed to follow you.

Huh. It just occurred to me that probably prohibits Alistair ever coming back as a party member. It's simply not possible that the king of Fereldan would just do whatever the PC says. It would be very difficult to write that in a believable way.

[SurelyForth]

Alistair didn't ask the PC what he should do with her before the battle, and it's his decision afterwards. He doesn't lack for opinions about things he feels strongly. Of course, since the PC controls the game and not Alistair, we don't always find that out until too late--but that's gameplay mechanics, not whether Alistair is capable of forming his own opinion. It's possible that there will be a conversation about it in Awakenings, maybe one in which we can control the outcome (although I rather hope not), but you can bet that he will still have a strong opinion about something like that. And now he's the king, not someone who's agreed to follow you.

Huh. It just occurred to me that probably prohibits Alistair ever coming back as a party member. It's simply not possible that the king of Fereldan would just do whatever the PC says. It would be very difficult to write that in a believable way.

Yeah, it's definitely his decision. My PC's would just advise him against execution. 

I find it very believable that he could be a companion and follow the PC's orders, even as king. There is clear indication in the epilogue that, even hardened, Alistair will defer to you (most of the time) if you are his Chancellor. It stands to reason that if he were to join you in his capacity as a Grey Warden, he would defer to you as you are the Warden-Commander. I will be interested to see, though, if this is an aspect of his personality that changes with the expansions. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 28 février 2010 - 06:41 .

[Sandtigress]

errant_knight wrote...

Alistair didn't ask the PC what he should do with her before the battle, and it's his decision afterwards. He doesn't lack for opinions about things he feels strongly.

But he only does something with Anora on Eamon's advice.  I'd see it in a similar way with "what do we do with her afterwards".  He's willing to take advice from others to shape his own opinion.  I think if both Eamon AND the PC were to advocate "off with her head" and gave him compelling reasons to do so (most likely from PC) he would.  But if he garnered support for his natural instinct - mercy - he would do that first.

Hardening vs. non-hardening would play a big role in this, I think.  I love how confident he is in his decision to put her in the tower when he's hardened, when he's not its more  "Ummmm, I don't know.  How about the tower?"  Hardened Alistair would be much more likely to do what he wanted, regardless of what anyone else says.

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Alistair didn't ask the PC what he should do with her before the battle, and it's his decision afterwards. He doesn't lack for opinions about things he feels strongly.

But he only does something with Anora on Eamon's advice.  I'd see it in a similar way with "what do we do with her afterwards".  He's willing to take advice from others to shape his own opinion.  I think if both Eamon AND the PC were to advocate "off with her head" and gave him compelling reasons to do so (most likely from PC) he would.  But if he garnered support for his natural instinct - mercy - he would do that first.

Hardening vs. non-hardening would play a big role in this, I think.  I love how confident he is in his decision to put her in the tower when he's hardened, when he's not its more  "Ummmm, I don't know.  How about the tower?"  Hardened Alistair would be much more likely to do what he wanted, regardless of what anyone else says.

Having made the decision to put her in the tower, I don't think he'd change his mind about imprisoning her. That decision was more about 'death or no-death.' At this point, mercy would mean imprisonment, not release.

I do think that a hardened Alistair might be more willing to hear out opinions about executing her, whereas an unhardened Alistair wouldn't go for that at all, but I think it likely that even a hardened Alistair would have a difficult time with the cold-bloodedness of pulling her out of her cell and cutting her throat because she might pose a threat in the future.

SurelyForth wrote...

Alistair didn't ask the PC what he should do with her before the battle, and it's his decision afterwards. He doesn't lack for opinions about things he feels strongly. Of course, since the PC controls the game and not Alistair, we don't always find that out until too late--but that's gameplay mechanics, not whether Alistair is capable of forming his own opinion. It's possible that there will be a conversation about it in Awakenings, maybe one in which we can control the outcome (although I rather hope not), but you can bet that he will still have a strong opinion about something like that. And now he's the king, not someone who's agreed to follow you.

Huh. It just occurred to me that probably prohibits Alistair ever coming back as a party member. It's simply not possible that the king of Fereldan would just do whatever the PC says. It would be very difficult to write that in a believable way.

Yeah, it's definitely his decision. My PC's would just advise him against execution. 

I find it very believable that he could be a companion and follow the PC's orders, even as king. There is clear indication in the epilogue that, even hardened, Alistair will defer to you (most of the time) if you are his Chancellor. It stands to reason that if he were to join you in his capacity as a Grey Warden, he would defer to you as you are the Warden-Commander. I will be interested to see, though, if this is an aspect of his personality that changes with the expansions. 

This would be the case if everyone played a 'good' character, but they don't. The only way I can see it working if Alistair is king, is f they not only made it possible--and much easier--for him to leave in disgust, but for there to be a risk that he'll have you hauled off to prison if he catches you doing harm to the citizens of Fereldan.

Modifié par errant_knight, 28 février 2010 - 06:58 .

[SurelyForth]

errant_knight wrote...
I do think that a hardened Alistair might be more willing to hear out opinions about executing her, whereas an unhardened Alistair wouldn't go for that at all, but I think it likely that even a hardened Alistair would have a difficult time with the cold-bloodedness of pulling her out of her cell and cutting her throat because she might pose a threat in the future..

I never even thought about that. It would be very much "Well, I survived. Sucks to be you, doesn't it?"

I had been interested in having the issue addressed by the game.  Now I'm hoping they leave it a big mystery so I can just imagine that she enjoys being on house arrest and becomes obsessed with scrap-booking or cobbling or something.

[Sandtigress]

errant_knight wrote...

Sandtigress wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Alistair didn't ask the PC what he should do with her before the battle, and it's his decision afterwards. He doesn't lack for opinions about things he feels strongly.

But he only does something with Anora on Eamon's advice.  I'd see it in a similar way with "what do we do with her afterwards".  He's willing to take advice from others to shape his own opinion.  I think if both Eamon AND the PC were to advocate "off with her head" and gave him compelling reasons to do so (most likely from PC) he would.  But if he garnered support for his natural instinct - mercy - he would do that first.

Hardening vs. non-hardening would play a big role in this, I think.  I love how confident he is in his decision to put her in the tower when he's hardened, when he's not its more  "Ummmm, I don't know.  How about the tower?"  Hardened Alistair would be much more likely to do what he wanted, regardless of what anyone else says.

Having made the decision to put her in the tower, I don't think he'd change his mind about imprisoning her. That decision was more about 'death or no-death.' At this point, mercy would mean imprisonment, not release.

I do think that a hardened Alistair might be more willing to hear out opinions about executing her, whereas an unhardened Alistair wouldn't go for that at all, but I think it likely that even a hardened Alistair would have a difficult time with the cold-bloodedness of pulling her out of her cell and cutting her throat because she might pose a threat in the future.

Oh, I agree.  I don't think he'd ever just let her go.  But I could see house arrest in a comfortable manor under close guard, which is what my two canon PCs would likely advocate.

If a "good" PC that he trusted was to advocate her execution with very compelling reasons, I could see him doing it.  After all, its not like he had much trouble "off his head"ing with Loghain.  It would have to be extremely compelling though, and I'm not sure there's enough evidence out there yet to make the case for it.  If Anora ever tried anything though, I think he'd do it, if he felt his hand was forced.  Another thing that makes him a good king in my eyes - he's not afraid to have to do something harsh IF the situation truly calls for it in his eyes.

This would be the case if everyone played a 'good' character, but they don't. The only way I can see it working if Alistair is king, is f they not only made it possible--and much easier--for him to leave in disgust, but for there to be a risk that he'll have you hauled off to prison if he catches you doing harm to the citizens of Fereldan.

I would LOVE this option.  It would have been so much more in character for him, IMO, to leave people like my blood mage behind in disgust, though at least they gave us the -100 approval speech.  My mage is working towards this one, fast!

[Sandtigress]

SurelyForth wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
I do think that a hardened Alistair might be more willing to hear out opinions about executing her, whereas an unhardened Alistair wouldn't go for that at all, but I think it likely that even a hardened Alistair would have a difficult time with the cold-bloodedness of pulling her out of her cell and cutting her throat because she might pose a threat in the future..

I never even thought about that. It would be very much "Well, I survived. Sucks to be you, doesn't it?"

I had been interested in having the issue addressed by the game.  Now I'm hoping they leave it a big mystery so I can just imagine that she enjoys being on house arrest and becomes obsessed with scrap-booking or cobbling or something.

Hahaha....I can picture it now.

HNF: Oh look dear, Anora sent us another lovely quilt for the baby...
Alistair: Maker's breath, what is that, the fifth one now?
HNF:  Just be happy she's found a hobby other than trying to dethrone you all the time.

[SurelyForth]

errant_knoght wrote...

This would be the case if everyone played a 'good' character, but they don't. The only way I can see it working if Alistair is king, is f they not only made it possible--and much easier--for him to leave in disgust, but for there to be a risk that he'll have you hauled off to prison if he catches you doing harm to the citizens of Fereldan.

True. But it could depend, too, on what the quest/adventure is. If it is a situation where the choices are tactical rather than ethical, then you wouldn't bump up against the issue of approval. Or, they could make him a temporary companion and have him not be around for portions where there might be a conflict of interest.

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...
If a "good" PC that he trusted was to advocate her execution with very compelling reasons, I could see him doing it. After all, its not like he had much trouble "off his head"ing with Loghain. It would have to be extremely compelling though, and I'm not sure there's enough evidence out there yet to make the case for it. If Anora ever tried anything though, I think he'd do it, if he felt his hand was forced. Another thing that makes him a good king in my eyes - he's not afraid to have to do something harsh IF the situation truly calls for it in his eyes.

Alistair didn't want to execute Loghain for opposing his rule, he wanted justice for the deaths of the king and the wardens. Anora is another matter altogether at this point, but I think you're right--one step out of line, and she's dead.

SurelyForth wrote...

errant_knoght wrote...

This would be the case if everyone played a 'good' character, but they don't. The only way I can see it working if Alistair is king, is f they not only made it possible--and much easier--for him to leave in disgust, but for there to be a risk that he'll have you hauled off to prison if he catches you doing harm to the citizens of Fereldan.

True. But it could depend, too, on what the quest/adventure is. If it is a situation where the choices are tactical rather than ethical, then you wouldn't bump up against the issue of approval. Or, they could make him a temporary companion and have him not be around for portions where there might be a conflict of interest.

They could have it where you accomplished tasks the went back to Alistair and had a combined party dealing with specific results, or times where the POV shifted between parties like at the Denerim gates. You could be controlling the PC's party at times, Alistair's in others. What they couldn't have is situations like Redcliffe where Alistair can be forced into being party to something he disapproves of.

Modifié par errant_knight, 28 février 2010 - 07:28 .

[kbach36]

galesong1234 wrote...

Mostly, it was the different responces I got from Alistair as I waited toward  the end to start up a romance with him.  Instead of the normal responce of, "Do you know you are handsome" or "I enjoy your company" to start a romance, there were new dialogue choice to get a romance started  in places that I have not seen before.  Hidden little gems that gave cause to smile.

The biggest things I found out were discoveries made by other people. As I was searching through youtube for informaton on Zev romance, I came across these.  Take the time watch. It's very interesting to how Alistair responds to someone he doesn't like.

I don't know if I could allow myself to get Alistair this mad at me in order to achieve what they did.  Mostly, I just try to ignore Alistair when persuing a romance with Zev.

Morrigan Slaps Back
I'm wondering what they did to get this reaction out of Morrigan


A very angry Alistair at Camp
I've never been a position that would require Alistair to respond like this to me.  Pretty intense.


Angry Alistair after Landsmeet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYFk8hUBM44&feature=PlayList&p=B1687BFB1286A35D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=3

Angry Alistair post corronation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_jvxkRS-Kk&feature=PlayList&p=B1687BFB1286A35D&index=11

Thanks for posting these.  I never can bring myself to let Alistair be angry with me, even when I am playing for the Zevran romance.  I always keep Alistair happy and go for 100 friendship with him, 9which has its own rewards).

I had my mage sacrifice Isolde, and he was really angry with me, but I seemed to have had enough points in cunning and/or coercion and was able to reply something along the lines that he this wasn't really about me, but his and Eamons relationship.  I think I only lost something like 11 points with him.  I was really worried that by killing Isolde would set him so far back that I wouldn't be able ot pull him back up.

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

Alistair didn't ask the PC what he should do with her before the battle, and it's his decision afterwards. He doesn't lack for opinions about things he feels strongly. Of course, since the PC controls the game and not Alistair, we don't always find that out until too late--but that's gameplay mechanics, not whether Alistair is capable of forming his own opinion. It's possible that there will be a conversation about it in Awakenings, maybe one in which we can control the outcome (although I rather hope not), but you can bet that he will still have a strong opinion about something like that. And now he's the king, not someone who's agreed to follow you.

Huh. It just occurred to me that probably prohibits Alistair ever coming back as a party member. It's simply not possible that the king of Fereldan would just do whatever the PC says. It would be very difficult to write that in a believable way.

No argument.  That's why I asked what Alistair and your PC would do, in my case because she is queen and chancellor and not just Grey Warden commander.   She will certainly have a say in something so important.  That doesn't mean she's going to override A.'s opinion, especially a strong one- my HNF deferred to him in a lot of things.  But your post implies that Alistair himself would not think to have Anora executed.  You think so?  Hardened, he says "I won't kill you while there's a chance that could happen" (i.e. he could die fighting the Blight).  So to me that leaves open the implication that he would decide to kill her afterwards.

Modifié par Addai67, 28 février 2010 - 08:47 .

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Alistair didn't ask the PC what he should do with her before the battle, and it's his decision afterwards. He doesn't lack for opinions about things he feels strongly. Of course, since the PC controls the game and not Alistair, we don't always find that out until too late--but that's gameplay mechanics, not whether Alistair is capable of forming his own opinion. It's possible that there will be a conversation about it in Awakenings, maybe one in which we can control the outcome (although I rather hope not), but you can bet that he will still have a strong opinion about something like that. And now he's the king, not someone who's agreed to follow you.

Huh. It just occurred to me that probably prohibits Alistair ever coming back as a party member. It's simply not possible that the king of Fereldan would just do whatever the PC says. It would be very difficult to write that in a believable way.

No argument.  That's why I asked what Alistair and your PC would do, in my case because she is queen and chancellor and not just Grey Warden commander.   She will certainly have a say in something so important.  That doesn't mean she's going to override A.'s opinion, especially a strong one- my HNF deferred to him in a lot of things.  But your post implies that Alistair himself would not think to have Anora executed.  You think so?  Hardened, he says "I won't kill you while there's a chance that could happen" (i.e. he could die fighting the Blight).  So to me that leaves open the implication that he would decide to kill her afterwards.

Well, I think right then he's full of adrenaline and anger. He goes right from talking about Duncan and executing Loghain personally (in my game), to ....Damn Canada scored and I missed it.... Okay... I'll have to hurry. He goes from that to becoming king and deciding what to do with Anora. At that moment, killing Anora probably didn't seem like a big stretch. Doing the same thing weeks later, in cold blood, with no clear crime, and no obvious threat is a bit different. I think Alistair would know that it's the safest option, but I'm not sure he'd cross that line without more of an immediate threat, of evidence of a greater crime.

Modifié par errant_knight, 28 février 2010 - 09:31 .

[SurelyForth]

 He is also responding directly to her saying "You would let me live, after all this?" which could be influencing his word choice. But that's probably reaching.

Having played this game one too many times, all the Landsmeet options and conversations all have melded into my head and it's just one big ball or bi-polar in there.

PC: So, I can spare Loghain...
Alistair: No! I quit.
Anora: Off with his head!
PC: You can always get married...
Anora: Or that.
PC: Or...Alistair can kill Loghain and be king!
Alistair: Yay! Death to Loghain!
PC: Anora?
Anora: No way am I swearing fealty to that pretender.
PC: Or I can kill Loghain and you can marry each other!
Anora: I think what my new husband's friend is trying to say is that Alistair and I will be an awesome married couple.
Alistair: Yay! Death to Loghain! And yay...? to marrying Anora.
PC: Or I can kill Loghain and Alistair can be king alone. Or with me.
Alistair: Yay! Death to Loghain. 
Anora: No way am I swearing fealty to that pretender. Warden?
PC: Yeah, that's my final decision.
Alistair: So, Anora isn't going to be my wife? Well, off with her head. Maybe. Sort of? We'll deal with this later.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 28 février 2010 - 10:02 .

[Sandtigress]

But doesn't your PC kill Anora in her head, just a little bit? :-P



SurelyForth, you write the best dialogues!

[SurelyForth]

Sandtigress wrote...

But doesn't your PC kill Anora in her head, just a little bit? :-P

SurelyForth, you write the best dialogues!

Well, that's a given, but only if she betrays them. If it weren't for Anora, none of them would get a chance to steal Alistair away to the Wardens, after all. And thanks! 

I finally got to see unhardened Alistair's reaction to being made king by a friend. My bf put him on the throne by himself and...ouch. He is really, really unhappy after the Landsmeet. If he has all that built-up AND he has to break up with the Warden, it's no wonder he wants to hurl himself at the Archdemon so badly. I'm surprised he doesn't just take a header off of the top of Fort Drakon, ritual or no.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 28 février 2010 - 10:17 .

[Sandtigress]

Which is why I harden Alistair every time now. At least then the poor guy wants to be king and sees it as a positive thing. When I saw his epilogue card about escaping to visit the people every chance he got because he hated ruling, I realized what an awful thing unhardened Alistair on the throne was. The guy deserves some measure of happiness!

[Addai]

LOL @ Surelyforth



I didn't post this question because I had a firm opinion, BTW. Just trying to sort out what I see happening in my PC's case. I do think they would let things settle down, and it's likely they would put Anora under house arrest with microscopic watch and just wait and see if she tries anything. After the great military victory over the Blight, her position is much less secure and Alistair's much more secure, but she is sooo determined to get the throne for herself that I just can't imagine she wouldn't try anything at all. Maybe with her father dead, it would take the wind out of her sails, though.

[nos_astra]

SurelyForth wrote...
PC: So, I can spare Loghain...
Alistair: No! I quit.
Anora: Off with his head!
PC: You can always get married...
Anora: Or that.
PC: Or...Alistair can kill Loghain and be king!
Alistair: Yay! Death to Loghain!
PC: Anora?
Anora: No way am I swearing fealty to that pretender.
PC: Or I can kill Loghain and you can marry each other!
Anora: I think what my new husband's friend is trying to say is that Alistair and I will be an awesome married couple.
Alistair: Yay! Death to Loghain! And yay...? to marrying Anora.
PC: Or I can kill Loghain and Alistair can be king alone. Or with me.
Alistair: Yay! Death to Loghain. 
Anora: No way am I swearing fealty to that pretender. Warden?
PC: Yeah, that's my final decision.
Alistair: So, Anora isn't going to be my wife? Well, off with her head. Maybe. Sort of? We'll deal with this later.

Oh my, that's like a record caught on a scratch. Always back to "Yay! Death to Loghain."

I hate the whole landsmeet as it is set up in the game. It could have been really cool but all this recycling of dialogue and making it fit for all origins with the least effort just kills it.

Modifié par klarabella, 28 février 2010 - 10:41 .

[Sandtigress]

BTW, thank you ladies for helping me realize my romance flag was bugged on my Dalish girl's game. Discussing DR with "still-in-love" Alistair is SO much nicer than buddy Alistair. I was "awwwwing" their whole relationship last night, so sad and sweet!

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

BTW, thank you ladies for helping me realize my romance flag was bugged on my Dalish girl's game. Discussing DR with "still-in-love" Alistair is SO much nicer than buddy Alistair. I was "awwwwing" their whole relationship last night, so sad and sweet!

Yeah, I did that with my HNF character after he broke up with her at landsmeet. It was a real heartbreaker, both of them still in love, apart, but not wanting to risk each other's deaths.... So sad....

[galesong1234]

Sandtigress wrote...

But doesn't your PC kill Anora in her head, just a little bit? :-P

SurelyForth, you write the best dialogues!

You can get the full sense of how manipulative Anora really  is when you go to rescue her (I took Morrigan and Zev with me).

After releasing Anora and then being confronted by Ser Cauthrien and her guards, I told Cauthrien that we were rescuing Anora. Cauthrien replies with Loghian will never allow that, for which I reply Anora is right there. Which at this point Anora tell's Cauthrien to take me as my pc was abducting her or something like that. My pc is taken captive and sent to the dungeons.

Cut scene shows Anora saying she made a big mistake and Morrigan telling Eamon and Alistair that Anora is a liar, which also include an angry responce from Alistair. Of course, Alistair had to go save pc.

If nothing else it showed that Anora had planned the whole thing. The rescue was a complete sham, used to get the Grey Wardens on her side. 

After release from dungeon (before Landsmeet), she tries to lie to get your support. For which I lied and then killed Loghain.

I once didn't like Anora, but now I really dislike the witch.