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[Addai]

That line gives a negative, as I recall. You mean the one that says something like "I do like you, and not for your blood"? You're basically telling him his blood is unimportant, I guess. And despite the fact that he won't stand up for it unless he's hardened and keeps saying that it isn't, this tells me that he at least wants to be able to be honest about who he is. That's how I interpret it, anyway.



Any other reassuring line should give you a relieved Alistair and a bump.

[Thor Rand Al]

Well I didn't lose any approval, he's maxed out. I was wondering if there was maybe better lines and I just didn't say the right thing to bring them up lol. I believe I used the no harm done line and that felt wrong there lol but I still wasn't happy with the dialogue choices.

But I thank you

[kbach36]

I think you only get the "I do like you, and not for your blood" line if you haven't started a romance with him. I believe it is one of the romance starters.

[errant_knight]

kbach36 wrote...

I think you only get the "I do like you, and not for your blood" line if you haven't started a romance with him. I believe it is one of the romance starters.

I'm confused. I've never seen that line, even when there was a romance at that point--and there usually is, but not always.... What's the situation when it comes up as a choice? Oh, wait.... When there isn't a romance.... How much of not a romance? Pre-rose? Under 50 approval?

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 mars 2010 - 04:54 .

[Addai]

kbach36 wrote...

I think you only get the "I do like you, and not for your blood" line if you haven't started a romance with him. I believe it is one of the romance starters.

Oh, I didn't realize that was a romance starter.  This is why I never make it through a playthrough without turning Ali's romance on... so many triggers.
That, and because Steve Valentine's voice is possessed by a desire demon.  Can. not. resist. 

[Gilsa]

errant_knight wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

I think you only get the "I do like you, and not for your blood" line if you haven't started a romance with him. I believe it is one of the romance starters.

I'm confused. I've never seen that line, even when there was a romance at that point--and there usually is, but not always.... What's the situation when it comes up as a choice? Oh, wait.... When there isn't a romance.... How much of not a romance? Pre-rose? Under 50 approval?

Your post made me laugh, errant. To get that line, you need a lot of self-restraint! Basically you need to NOT be in a romance with Alistair. At all. And you need to not take him with you to Redcliffe so he doesn't get a chance to tell you that he's heir to the throne. When Arl Eamon mentions it, then you can talk to Alistair in camp afterwards with the "So why didn't you tell me you were the heir?" conversation. You'll go through some dialogue trees and he'll end with "well, I guess it's a relief you know now. I just wanted you to like me for me, etc." Then you get the line, "I do like you and not for your blood." He'll give a stunned reply because you're showing interest in him for the first time and then the romance gets flipped on.

[Kryyptehk]

Huh, I'll have to try that. But is that "So why didn't you tell me about you being heir?" the same one you get after he tells you about it in Redcliffe? Or is it different?

[Thor Rand Al]

Gilsa wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

I think you only get the "I do like you, and not for your blood" line if you haven't started a romance with him. I believe it is one of the romance starters.

I'm confused. I've never seen that line, even when there was a romance at that point--and there usually is, but not always.... What's the situation when it comes up as a choice? Oh, wait.... When there isn't a romance.... How much of not a romance? Pre-rose? Under 50 approval?

Your post made me laugh, errant. To get that line, you need a lot of self-restraint! Basically you need to NOT be in a romance with Alistair. At all. And you need to not take him with you to Redcliffe so he doesn't get a chance to tell you that he's heir to the throne. When Arl Eamon mentions it, then you can talk to Alistair in camp afterwards with the "So why didn't you tell me you were the heir?" conversation. You'll go through some dialogue trees and he'll end with "well, I guess it's a relief you know now. I just wanted you to like me for me, etc." Then you get the line, "I do like you and not for your blood." He'll give a stunned reply because you're showing interest in him for the first time and then the romance gets flipped on.

I'm going to have to try tis 1.  Does the no romance mean no flirting either or what, can his approval be in interested lol.  Dang not sure if I can do the self-restraint thing, as Addai said "Can. not. resist."  lol, he's just too dang charming lol.

[nos_astra]

Addai67 wrote...
That, and because Steve Valentine's voice is possessed by a desire demon.  Can. not. resist. 

QFT!

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

I think you only get the "I do like you, and not for your blood" line if you haven't started a romance with him. I believe it is one of the romance starters.

Oh, I didn't realize that was a romance starter.  This is why I never make it through a playthrough without turning Ali's romance on... so many triggers.
That, and because Steve Valentine's voice is possessed by a desire demon.  Can. not. resist. 

When I've created a character to romance Leliana or Zevran, I have to reload a lot because I can't resist flirting with Alistair. I just tell myself my characters have very active, and very specific, imaginations.

I like that you can turn the romance on at TWO points during the conversation when you first get to Redcliffe. Personally, I would question the motives of someone who suddenly expresses interest in me the moment I reveal that I'm a prince, but I guess Alistair really will take what he can get.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 25 mars 2010 - 02:46 .

[Addai]

Gilsa wrote...
 You'll go through some dialogue trees and he'll end with "well, I guess it's a relief you know now. I just wanted you to like me for me, etc." Then you get the line, "I do like you and not for your blood." He'll give a stunned reply because you're showing interest in him for the first time and then the romance gets flipped on.

I'm confused because I distinctly remember getting negative approval after that reply.  My memory could be failing me, of course.  But I seem to recall it as a time when my PC meant to say something nice and then I realized it was taken the wrong way (similar to telling Zevran "you mean to compare my life to yours?" which I said to mean "I've suffered, but nothing like you" and Zevran understands it as an insult).

Hmm.  More testing.  And it really does take great restraint for me not to flirt with Alistair.  The only character who's managed to completely avoid it was my city elf, who couldn't look at him and not see Vaughn, even though Alistair is much more Soris than Vaughn.

[Addai]

klarabella wrote...

Addai67 wrote...
That, and because Steve Valentine's voice is possessed by a desire demon.  Can. not. resist. 

QFT!

I swear, for his opening dialogue line at neutral/warm, the VO directions said "Turn the sexy on.  Way, WAY on."  Here I mean his line when you approach him in camp, "something you need?"

As opposed to his "something you need, my dear?" when he's in love, which sounds much more business-like. 

Modifié par Addai67, 25 mars 2010 - 03:35 .

[SurelyForth]

Addai67: There is a line in the regular "Why did you keep your birthright a secret?" dialogue that goes "I did like you, now I don't know who you are." (or something). It's the only choice that gives you a chance to address the whole issue of him wanting someone to like him for him, but he takes it quite badly (I think it can end the relationship, actually). I was hoping it would come of more jokey. Alas, I had reload.

[Addai]

SurelyForth wrote...

Addai67: There is a line in the regular "Why did you keep your birthright a secret?" dialogue that goes "I did like you, now I don't know who you are." (or something). It's the only choice that gives you a chance to address the whole issue of him wanting someone to like him for him, but he takes it quite badly (I think it can end the relationship, actually). I was hoping it would come of more jokey. Alas, I had reload.

I do know that line, but it's different than the one we're talking about.  I've never chosen that one once, even on a reload.  I'm physically incapable of clicking on dialogue lines that crush Alistair.  Or Zevran either, for that matter.  I think it's a newly discovered nervous disorder. 

Modifié par Addai67, 25 mars 2010 - 03:50 .

[SurelyForth]

Addai67 wrote...

I do know that line, but it's different than the one we're talking about.  I've never chosen that one once, even on a reload.  I'm physically incapable of clicking on dialogue lines that crush Alistair.  Or Zevran either, for that matter.  I think it's a newly discovered nervous disorder. 

I get in trouble because I express affection through smartassery, so I see some of these lines and I think "Yeah, I could say that to someone and they would understand I'm joking." So I choose it and Alistair's face crumples and, oh Maker, it's time for a do-over.  

And then I do deliberately hurt his feelings sometimes, because it helps me understand his character. I'm afraid that one of these days, I'm going to start up a fresh game and he's going to suddenly remember all the hell and torment I have put him through and absolutely refuse to play along.

[Addai]

The kicker is that Alistair will sometimes respond well to humorous insults, he just has a very touchy line when it comes to women and it's hard to know when you're crossing it. I mean, if you didn't ever say "Your new weapon of choice?" in response to the rose, you'd be missing out!

There are other rewards to kicking him, too. For one thing, he's very sexy when he's angry.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 mars 2010 - 04:12 .

[errant_knight]

Gilsa wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

kbach36 wrote...

I think you only get the "I do like you, and not for your blood" line if you haven't started a romance with him. I believe it is one of the romance starters.

I'm confused. I've never seen that line, even when there was a romance at that point--and there usually is, but not always.... What's the situation when it comes up as a choice? Oh, wait.... When there isn't a romance.... How much of not a romance? Pre-rose? Under 50 approval?

Your post made me laugh, errant. To get that line, you need a lot of self-restraint! Basically you need to NOT be in a romance with Alistair. At all. And you need to not take him with you to Redcliffe so he doesn't get a chance to tell you that he's heir to the throne. When Arl Eamon mentions it, then you can talk to Alistair in camp afterwards with the "So why didn't you tell me you were the heir?" conversation. You'll go through some dialogue trees and he'll end with "well, I guess it's a relief you know now. I just wanted you to like me for me, etc." Then you get the line, "I do like you and not for your blood." He'll give a stunned reply because you're showing interest in him for the first time and then the romance gets flipped on.

Dang. I wish that was an easier option to get. I can't imagine not taking Alistair to Redcliffe. That would mean doing the whole defense of the village thing without him! Nope. Can't see it happening.

[Sandtigress]

errant_knight wrote...

Dang. I wish that was an easier option to get. I can't imagine not taking Alistair to Redcliffe. That would mean doing the whole defense of the village thing without him! Nope. Can't see it happening.

Don't go with Alistair to Redcliffe at first, talk to Bann Teagan, tell him you're a Grey Warden, and he'll ask about Alistair.  You can then switch Alistair back into your party and he'll have a nice, slightly longer discussion with Teagan!

Once you step foot in Redcliffe without Alistair, you can come back in with him, and he won't initiate the "royal bastard" conversation. Its just your first visit that triggers it. Alternatively, you can bring him with you the first time, let him start to talk, then ask him if its important and can it wait?  You lose approval with him for that one, but he won't tell you, and then your PC will be totally surprised when you finally revive the Arl.

Modifié par Sandtigress, 25 mars 2010 - 04:43 .

[Addai]

errant_knight wrote...

Dang. I wish that was an easier option to get. I can't imagine not taking Alistair to Redcliffe. That would mean doing the whole defense of the village thing without him! Nope. Can't see it happening.

Oh, you can switch him back in the party easily, especially since Redcliffe village allows you to change party members at will.  I will sometimes do this now, if for RP reasons I want my character to not find out about his identity until after they get the ashes.  My mage PC (current avatar) was falling for him, slept with him, but didn't know he was the heir until Eamon sprung it on her.  It made the RP story of her breaking up with him more plausible.  I doubt she ever would have gotten involved with him had she known it earlier.

[Sandtigress]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Dang. I wish that was an easier option to get. I can't imagine not taking Alistair to Redcliffe. That would mean doing the whole defense of the village thing without him! Nope. Can't see it happening.

Oh, you can switch him back in the party easily, especially since Redcliffe village allows you to change party members at will.  I will sometimes do this now, if for RP reasons I want my character to not find out about his identity until after they get the ashes.  My mage PC (current avatar) was falling for him, slept with him, but didn't know he was the heir until Eamon sprung it on her.  It made the RP story of her breaking up with him more plausible.  I doubt she ever would have gotten involved with him had she known it earlier.

I play it off a lot now as my PC wanting to scout the territory first, since Grey Wardens are being hunted, and Alistair is known in this village.  It makes sense not to take him until you know its safe for him to be there, right?  And then they get whalloped over the head later with the revelation that he's the prince!

[Addai]

He could also be making a cheese run in a village on the way to Redcliffe. He would know where to get the really good cheese! 

It really does make for a dramatic scene in Redcliffe after Eamon wakes up. My poor mage, what a huge WTF moment. She had no illusions that an elven mage could have a future with the heir. He is very classy about it if you break up with him for this reason. I believe she even got a small approval bump. It's like he's relieved if the PC helps him to do what he knows he needs to do.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 mars 2010 - 04:52 .

[errant_knight]

Addai67 wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Dang. I wish that was an easier option to get. I can't imagine not taking Alistair to Redcliffe. That would mean doing the whole defense of the village thing without him! Nope. Can't see it happening.

Oh, you can switch him back in the party easily, especially since Redcliffe village allows you to change party members at will.  I will sometimes do this now, if for RP reasons I want my character to not find out about his identity until after they get the ashes.  My mage PC (current avatar) was falling for him, slept with him, but didn't know he was the heir until Eamon sprung it on her.  It made the RP story of her breaking up with him more plausible.  I doubt she ever would have gotten involved with him had she known it earlier.

How do you do this? You can't go back to camp, so what's the mechanism for switching party members?

Sidenote: I'm not sure I'm going to want to use this anyway, although it's very interesting that you can, because it makes Alistair into a guy who let's something like that get sprung on you when he makes sure to stop and tell you to prevent that from happening.

[Sandtigress]

You can go back to camp - just don't go anywhere else, or Redcliffe gets destroyed. But you can also do a party switch outside.

I'd see it more like he just got too afraid to tell you once he'd missed his chance.  He tells you "I tried to tell you outside of Redcliffe..." and if you want to do this, you can always take the option of telling him it can wait, and then its your fault he didn't tell you, and not his.    He is, after all, hoping it will all go away, and hoping that Arl Eamon will take over the throne.  So its not too awful that he doesn't tell you - he wants you to like him minus the prince thing anyways.

Modifié par Sandtigress, 25 mars 2010 - 04:54 .

[errant_knight]

Sandtigress wrote...

You can go back to camp - just don't go anywhere else, or Redcliffe gets destroyed. But you can also do a party switch outside.

But the guard says they'll all die. They won't if you only go to camp?

[Sandtigress]

Nope, they don't. Tell him you'll be right back.



But like I said, you can always do a party change as soon as you get outside the Chantry.