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[juggNaut73]

First, let me apologize for my bad english.

I'm making this post to ask the devs about the relationships of Shepard in ME3. As they said many times, Mass Effect is all about choices we make as Shepard, and since ME1 we could make decisions and choose how to react to a lot of things.

Since in ME1, we could talk to our crew, choose how to respond to them, be friends with them or not, and this was with everyone. But in ME2, some of the characters we forced to be our friends, even when a lot of players didn't want to.

I'm well aware that Bioware can't please everyone, make everything available and certain things must happen in the story they are trying to tell. But I think how Shepard views the relationships are not canon, and for example, we needed to work with Cerberus and the Illusive Man in ME2, but a lot of times we could choose not being happy with it.

Liara is my main concern here, since LOTSB, Shepard is forced to be friendly with her (even if at the end, we could tell her that things must stay professional), but in the whole DLC, we are pretty much best friends.

I know that in ME3 (Casey said himself) that we can tell Kaidan (and presumably Ashley) that we felt rejected at Horizon and have resentment. I just really hope we can do the same with Liara and have Shepard  feel resentment for her gaving his/her body to Cerberus.
In the beginning of the dlc, Liara tells Shepard what happened and he/she just "Ok, any friend of yours is a friend of mine, let's get the Shadow Broker!".

A lot of people are going to complain (especially Liara fans) since they like the character and everything, but all I'm asking is giving the option of not being so friendly like what happened in the DLC. Of course if you like her, just choose being best friends. Simple, everyone can be happy this way and everyone will have a satisfying experience in this aspect.

I extend this to others characters as well, as a lot of people made posts like this complaining about forced friendships. Characters that we can be rude in ME1 suddenly can't be anymore in ME2. If we have been forced since the beginning, but this is not case.

I hope this thread won't become another war (like most on BSN) and I just want to give my opinion on the game. This is my feedback for you guys that make this exceptional series that I truly love.

I apologize for my bad english and if I offended anyone.

Modifié par juggNaut73, 25 novembre 2011 - 02:11 .

[CerberusWarrior]

well if Casey is right and we can deal with the VS issue from ME 2 then I am for that . As far as Liara goes I thought if you banged her in ME 1 you could keep it going in LOTSB dlc .

[Eckswhyzee]

I'd rather have forced friendship than forced resentment.

Then again, LOTSB, amazing as it already is, could have done with some more RP opportunities. Something like "I really don't like you Liara, but the SB is a threat to Cerberus" or something along those lines. Plus some extra dialogue with confronting Vasir about Cerberus (I know this is important to the Sole Survivors on these forums).

Then again, as a Liara fan I'm not exactly impartial on this issue.

[FryPanNN]

juggNaut73 wrote...

First, let me apologize for my bad english.

I'm making this post to ask the devs about the relationships of Shepard in ME3. As they said many times, Mass Effect is all about choices we make as Shepard, and since ME1 we could make decisions and choose how to react to a lot of things.

Since in ME1, we could talk to our crew, choose how to respond to them, be friends with them or not, and this was with everyone. But in ME2, some of the characters we forced to be our friends, even when a lot of players didn't want to.

I'm well aware that Bioware can't please everyone, make everything available and certain things must happen in the story they are trying to tell. But I think how Shepard views the relationships are not canon, and for example, we needed to work with Cerberus and the Illusive Man in ME2, but a lot of times we could choose not being happy with it.

Liara is my main concern here, since LOTSB, Shepard is forced to be friendly with her (even if at the end, we could tell her that things must stay professional), but in the whole DLC, we are pretty much best friends.

I know that in ME3 (Casey said himself) that we can tell Kaidan (and presumably Ashley) that we felt rejected at Horizon and have resentment. I just really hope we can do the same with Liara and have Shepard  feel resentment for her gaving his/her body to Cerberus.
In the beginning of the dlc, Liara tells Shepard what happened and he/she just "Ok, any friend of yours is a friend of mine, let's get the Shadow Broker!".

A lot of people are going to complain (especially Liara fans) since they like the character and everything, but all I'm asking is giving the option of not being so friendly like what happened in the DLC. Of course if you like her, just choose being best friends. Simple, everyone can be happy this way and everyone will have a satisfying experience in this aspect.

I extend this to others characters as well, as a lot of people made posts like this complaining about forced friendships. Characters that we can be rude in ME1 suddenly can't be anymore in ME2. If we have been forced since the beginning, but this is not case.

I hope this thread won't become another war (like most on BSN) and I just want to give my opinion on the game. This is my feedback for you guys that make this exceptional series that I truly love.

I apologize for my bad english and if I offended anyone.

i have not played any of the dlcs, but i can understand the concern, me2 have forced moments with some of the characters and i hope we have more freedom with shepard on 3.

[FrosTMorning]

Hey man, I just put your post on another thread, hope you don't mind!

[Eatordie]

juggNaut73 wrote...

First, let me apologize for my bad english.

I'm making this post to ask the devs about the relationships of Shepard in ME3. As they said many times, Mass Effect is all about choices we make as Shepard, and since ME1 we could make decisions and choose how to react to a lot of things.

Since in ME1, we could talk to our crew, choose how to respond to them, be friends with them or not, and this was with everyone. But in ME2, some of the characters we forced to be our friends, even when a lot of players didn't want to.

I'm well aware that Bioware can't please everyone, make everything available and certain things must happen in the story they are trying to tell. But I think how Shepard views the relationships are not canon, and for example, we needed to work with Cerberus and the Illusive Man in ME2, but a lot of times we could choose not being happy with it.

Liara is my main concern here, since LOTSB, Shepard is forced to be friendly with her (even if at the end, we could tell her that things must stay professional), but in the whole DLC, we are pretty much best friends.

I know that in ME3 (Casey said himself) that we can tell Kaidan (and presumably Ashley) that we felt rejected at Horizon and have resentment. I just really hope we can do the same with Liara and have Shepard  feel resentment for her gaving his/her body to Cerberus.
In the beginning of the dlc, Liara tells Shepard what happened and he/she just "Ok, any friend of yours is a friend of mine, let's get the Shadow Broker!".

A lot of people are going to complain (especially Liara fans) since they like the character and everything, but all I'm asking is giving the option of not being so friendly like what happened in the DLC. Of course if you like her, just choose being best friends. Simple, everyone can be happy this way and everyone will have a satisfying experience in this aspect.

I extend this to others characters as well, as a lot of people made posts like this complaining about forced friendships. Characters that we can be rude in ME1 suddenly can't be anymore in ME2. If we have been forced since the beginning, but this is not case.

I hope this thread won't become another war (like most on BSN) and I just want to give my opinion on the game. This is my feedback for you guys that make this exceptional series that I truly love.

I apologize for my bad english and if I offended anyone.

I agree

[Dariustwinblade]

You know if you really hate her, you can NOT DO LAIR OF THE SHADOW BROKER.


*LEAKED SPOILER ALERT*




Liara becomes SB with or without your help.

If you don't do Lotsb she SINGLEHANDEDLY butchers the Shadow Broker and his army, alone


You get a dialogue if you don't do Lotsb.

[Harmless Citizen]

...Now that stretches the imagination.

[alex90c]

liara for canon romance

;D

[onelifecrisis]

While I agree with you, OP, I don't see Liara as a special case. Shepard is railroaded throughout the whole of ME2. You can't be anything but nice to Miranda. It's almost impossible to avoid Shepard having a go at Mordin over the Genophage. Garrus, Tali and Wrex are always your friends. And so on.

TIM is the only character you can really choose to not get along with. Oh, and you can be a jerk to Jacob too, curiously.

So while I agree, I think the scope of what you're asking for is much bigger than you make it sound.

[CptData]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

well if Casey is right and we can deal with the VS issue from ME 2 then I am for that . As far as Liara goes I thought if you banged her in ME 1 you could keep it going in LOTSB dlc .

Lets hope we can deal with that issue. I'll let Ashley know that my Shepard(s) felt rejected - and that the message didn't change that much. However, he didn't go for another woman on board of the Normandy, knowing there can't be love until the job is done.

If that helps to restart the romantic arc with Ashley, I'll be a very happy dude.

-- edit --

About Liara: I'm glad she considers me as a friend. I couldn't be overly friendly to her in ME since I didn't want to run into the "catfight scene". Never used renegade answers on her, but the neutral "professional" ones if possible and not sounding rude.

It's good to have her as a friend.

Modifié par CptData, 26 novembre 2011 - 11:28 .

[BatmanPWNS]

I don't mind it but it got annoying when I got to my Xenophobe Shep. All those comments after I insulted her in ME1.

[Harmless Citizen]

I liked Liara in ME1, but never used her but once (to fight Benezia) in any of my first few playthroughs (and then suddenly singularity). I spoke to her up until the branch where she says it's Shep's job to change people's mind about humans, and apparently I was joyously oblivious to all the romantic signals she was sending.

Consequently, when I got to ME2--LotSB especially, where she has Shep's armour preserved like a precious artefact--my reaction was something like:

"O_o"

[kumquats]

I agree with the OP. It's very annoying to play a Sole Survivor in ME2. But there is nothing we can do about it.
At least we can tell Liara in the DLC that their relationship should only be professional from now on. Which suggests that maybe with the LotSB import, Liara will change how she reacts to Shepard in ME3.

I don't think we will have so much luck with Miranda. I try everything with my Sole Survivor to hate Cerberus. So in the Jack/Miranda confrontation, I side with Jack. I will be surprised if Miranda remembers this in ME3.

It would be a very cool feature to have a friendship or a rivalry with the VS.
Everyone has kind of their own interpretation of Horizon, so it would be nice to explore this relationship between Shepard and the VS.
But I kind of doubt the ME2 Squadis will get so much depth.

[Harmless Citizen]

The rudest you can be Miranda is ask, "Is it me, or are you always this ****y?"

...Which was more hilarious than anything.

[alex90c]

Random Nobody wrote...

The rudest you can be Miranda is ask, "Is it me, or are you always this ****y?"

...Which was more hilarious than anything.

I always use that line.

In one playthrough though, I remember trying to be nice to her, so I picked the paragon option for some dialogue (can't remember the paraphrase, wasn't anything that stood out) and then my Shep ended up basically calling Miranda an amazing woman yadda yadda yadda out of nowhere 

[wildannie]

I found the Liara friendship in ME2 and LotSB to be really grating from Liara's over-familiar hug when Shepard meets her on Ilium to Shepards overconcerned 'Liara's in there' during LotSB and don't get me started on her visit to the Normandy... It would have been nice to be able to have a professional relationship that was not broken with romantic mannerisms.

It's great for all the Liara fans that they got this kind of content, I just wish that more effort had been put into making the interactions that were more neutral more convincing.

I'm quite concerned about what we know of the squad in ME3 so far and really hope that I can create a relationship with the crew that is in keeping with the Shepards I play (none of which are great friends with Liara)

[Dariustwinblade]

If being mean to Liara or Joker or Anderson is what you are looking for, judging from the script. You guys are in for dissappointment.

[someone else]

Sheps offer to help Liara @ LotSB works better (for me) with either my ren or para FemShep - unless I going to romance her in which case BroShep knows exactly what he's doing and why...boys will be boys.

[Xilizhra]

I just really hope we can do the same with Liara and have Shepard feel resentment for her gaving his/her body to Cerberus.

Oh, yes, because it's so much better to stay a corpse while the Reapers destroy the galaxy, amirite?

[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Personally, I never really saw the big deal in forced squadmate friendships. Then again, I'm one of those people who doesn't hate any of the squadmates.

I don't mind if they do give you opportunities to be mean to your team, though, provided it doesn't affect the friendship path (such as by giving it less content, for example).

Well, Shepard can be a douchebag to everyone else in existance, so I can't see why they wouldn't.

[Harmless Citizen]

Never understood that. You can give her a What The Hell, Liara?" on Illium, in which Shepard flips her (or his) sh!t and says something like, "It's your fault! You're the reason I'm in this position!" Liara does not react as strongly as might be expected, however.

I suppose it's a logical reaction if Shepard ism played as having moral reservations about revival, or was simply a reluctant hero(ine) who'd rather be dead whilst the reapers be reapin'.

[Gespenst]

wildannie wrote...

to Shepards overconcerned 'Liara's in there' during LotSB

I'm sorry? I can understand if someone doesn't like Liara (I can't understand why, mind you) but if the person you were meant to be meeting to go on a trip to kill the Shadow Broker had just blown the **** up... would you be nonchalant about it?

wildannie wrote...

and don't get me started on her visit to the Normandy... It would have been nice to be able to have a professional relationship that was not broken with romantic mannerisms.

That scene isn't very romantic if you aren't romancing her... but if it bothers you/doesn't fit with your Shepard that much then maybe you shouldln't invite her into your bedroom for drinks.

[JamieCOTC]

I'm all for the option of hating on Liara, but haters won't get any sympathy from me for taking her up to the ship. It's an option. I have a Shep who didn't get his dog tags back for that very reason and he's fine w/ that.