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[CptData]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I think that you should of looked up Liara more before making this Thread. I understand people don't like her or being friends with her. Liara risked alot for Shepard more than you know. If you read any of the comics it explains things there as well. I just hope nothing get changed or taken away. Liara fans deserve something special and wonderful, the others they can just deal with it. Beloved Liara is a very strong and important character in the series, stronger than the others. I don't want her dead or end up during or even seeing that a option. I think people should relook up things before posting. That what I think. I don't like haters and people that judge much. I understand the others feeling, this too is only a video game, so don't take it serious, seriously. x.x

As much as I can understand you, I have to say "no". No more "special & wonderful" treatment for Liara. She was significant in ME (without her, Shepard can't find out meaning of the visions), got her own book (saving Shepard's corpse), was significant enough in ME2 so the devs decided to give her a full DLC and I'm sure Liara will have a major role in ME3.

The thing is - although I like her as a character, others don't. Other players treat her like someone they wanna keep on distance - and still Liara is saving Shepard, still Liara hugs him. Why not the VS, why not Anderson, why not any other character?
Because BW decided so. That's okay. Still, because Liara is the -only- character needed so far to keep the story going, she's also the only character Shepard can't get on her bad side. Therefore, even if you consider Liara only as a friend, that friendship feels "destined to happen". If you simply hate her, that friendship feels forced and out of place.

I'd say Liara got enough "special & wonderful" treatment from Bioware, just to keep the story running. In ME3 it shouldn't be all about Liara. It should be about Shepard and his friends. That includes Liara. But she's no longer exclusively driving the story like she did before. This time I want other characters giving the story some drive ...

[Xilizhra]

I'd say Liara got enough "special & wonderful" treatment from Bioware, just to keep the story running. In ME3 it shouldn't be all about Liara. It should be about Shepard and his friends. That includes Liara. But she's no longer exclusively driving the story like she did before. This time I want other characters giving the story some drive ...

This seems backwards. Liara is the only squadmate who's always alive. She's the only one who can be counted on to drive the plot forward.

[ravene]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I think that you should of looked up Liara more before making this Thread. I understand people don't like her or being friends with her. Liara risked alot for Shepard more than you know. If you read any of the comics it explains things there as well. I just hope nothing get changed or taken away. Liara fans deserve something special and wonderful, the others they can just deal with it. Beloved Liara is a very strong and important character in the series, stronger than the others. I don't want her dead or end up during or even seeing that a option. I think people should relook up things before posting. That what I think. I don't like haters and people that judge much. I understand the others feeling, this too is only a video game, so don't take it serious, seriously. x.x

Liara got Lotsb so she got something special the rest of the cast got nothing, I read the comics while my sheps are on the fence on how they feel about being draged back for the dead.   Turrning  my shep over to a terriost organization  was risky at best and could have another cerbrus fubar( how many in me1 did we have to clean up) and the chip mentioned in the first convo with miranda shows how bad the situation could have been so trust is a big issue with me and liara.  I did not romance her in any playthrew to me her turning shep over to cerbrus is more of a
betrayal knowing what  we knew about them in me1 than horzin conversation with Ka/Ash. 

[FrosTMorning]

i've read all the posts, and been following a lot of threads about the characters, i say all characters fans want is get everything happen to them in the best way possible but taking away things not fans of the said characters not want. these hardcore people need to understand that people complaining/requesting are only wanting to add things to the game, not take away from you.
Here is my take: liara fans here, i hope you'll get satisfied in the game, have your "special & wonderful" treatment you want for liara.
Not fans of liara: hope you too get what you want, have the options of not being friends with her, or anyone else. Bioware can please everyone on this, after all we just need more options for the player on the RPG aspect of the game.

[CptData]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd say Liara got enough "special & wonderful" treatment from Bioware, just to keep the story running. In ME3 it shouldn't be all about Liara. It should be about Shepard and his friends. That includes Liara. But she's no longer exclusively driving the story like she did before. This time I want other characters giving the story some drive ...

This seems backwards. Liara is the only squadmate who's always alive. She's the only one who can be counted on to drive the plot forward.

She's only alive because BW favors her.
I don't mind it, but it degrades any other characters to some kind of "expendable 2nd grade guys".

Actually, the entire story can work without Liara. Or at least, Liara is not needed more or less than other characters.

- Shepard's visions
Liara is not the only Asari being able to mindmelt. Shepard could also ask the Consort. Finding out about Ilos does not necessarily require Liara as well - that planet could be explored already.

- Shepard's death
Is unneccessary at all.

- Shadowbroker
Could be replaced by any other character if needed.

Uhhhm ... yes.

Xil, you should know me - I have nothing against Liara. I don't mind BW favors her over all other characters. I just mind the fact Liara will get -another- special treatment in ME3. Time for the other guys ... that's what I want.

[Pax of Doom]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'd say Liara got enough "special & wonderful" treatment from Bioware, just to keep the story running. In ME3 it shouldn't be all about Liara. It should be about Shepard and his friends. That includes Liara. But she's no longer exclusively driving the story like she did before. This time I want other characters giving the story some drive ...

This seems backwards. Liara is the only squadmate who's always alive. She's the only one who can be counted on to drive the plot forward.

Then why am I playing that loser Shepard?  Why am I not playing Liara?  Why doesn't Liara have her own game?

[Xilizhra]

She's only alive because BW favors her.
I don't mind it, but it degrades any other characters to some kind of "expendable 2nd grade guys".

Perhaps, but that's a problem (if you can call it that) with ME1/2, not 3. 3 is just doing what makes sense.

Actually, the entire story can work without Liara. Or at least, Liara is not needed more or less than other characters.

True, no one specific is necessary.

Xil, you should know me - I have nothing against Liara. I don't mind BW favors her over all other characters. I just mind the fact Liara will get -another- special treatment in ME3. Time for the other guys ... that's what I want.

That'd be ideal, but there's too much other plot going on to put it all in.

Then why am I playing that loser Shepard? Why am I not playing Liara? Why doesn't Liara have her own game?

I'd love to see that, but I suspect relatively few people would advocate for it. They want to be Shepard.

[CptData]

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you should know me - I have nothing against Liara. I don't mind BW favors her over all other characters. I just mind the fact Liara will get -another- special treatment in ME3. Time for the other guys ... that's what I want.

That'd be ideal, but there's too much other plot going on to put it all in.

True. But then pick one of the other characters. I mean, I read the spoilers and again a lot of Liara-centered stuff happens. Sure, she's the only one who makes it so far without getting killed (or in danger of being killed) and therefore, you can't make a story reliant on guys who won't even be alive at that point.

But we still have Joker, Chakwas, the VS, Anderson. At least Joker and VS can play a significant role similar (or even more significant) to Liara. The VS, because either Ashley OR Kaidan will make it to ME3 and although their characters are different and ther romance arcs as well, their main role remains the same.
Joker is ... Joker. He'll be back again. He's no squaddie, but important for the story. I'd like to see him even more in game. The VS is my preferred choice for "drive the story" because of obvious reasons - but to be fair, I don't wanna see a similar "special treatment" for Ash / Kaidan like BW did for Liara.

Too bad any other characters can die. Team Dextro seems to have their own "treatment", dunno about the rest of the crowd.

[Xilizhra]

But we still have Joker, Chakwas, the VS, Anderson. At least Joker and VS can play a significant role similar (or even more significant) to Liara. The VS, because either Ashley OR Kaidan will make it to ME3 and although their characters are different and ther romance arcs as well, their main role remains the same.

Chakwas may also be dead. Joker's role probably wouldn't change any. Anderson has potential, true, but as a more minor character. And the VS isn't the same character every time, so ideally their stories would be different.

[Someone With Mass]

Every character is important to their respective race as far as I can tell.

And as I have said before, I think it matters more about what they do with the time they have. A squadmate can be with you all game, but it's pointless if there's nothing of importance in his/her path.

Tali and Garrus actually aren't getting any more attention than other squadmates in missions outside their races' conflicts if the script is any indication.

When characters like Mordin and Wrex are on the screen, it's their moment, not Shepard's squad's.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Xilizhra wrote...
Only if you believe Paragon is inherently deontologist, which I do not.

Thank you. My Paragon Shep is not deontologist either. Nor do I like Cerberus or TIM, but what Liara did was far far better than the alternative which was being sold to the Collectors. So every one of my Shepards are grateful, from the extreme Paragon to the extreme Renegade.

[someone else]

My hopes for Liara in ME3 (not alas to be realized) is that she becomes a power-hungry virago - like her mother - the Witch Queen of Haglaz - obsessed with her own vision of a galactic future, she and her minion Feron battle Team Alliance (led by Anderson & VS) , Team Cerberus (TIM and Kai Leng), Team Citadel (Council races), Team Quaria (Daro Xen and the Geth), and Shep for ultimate power and galactic hegemony. Multi-player anyone?

Modifié par someone else, 27 novembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[Disastersaurus]

What does VS stand for?

[Harmless Citizen]

Virmire Survivor.

[Disastersaurus]

Okay, thanks.

[CerberusWarrior]

all I want is for ME 2 LI to be respected in ME 3 by Bioware

[Harmless Citizen]

And how do you mean "respected"?

[someone else]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

all I want is for ME 2 LI to be respected in ME 3 by Bioware

as in if I made the choice, she/he damn well better be there...and puttin' out

[Troika0]

Xilizhra wrote...

And the VS isn't the same character every time, so ideally their stories would be different.

Setting aside the actual topic of discussion for a moment, while I understand yours was a hopefull sentiment, I very much disagree that Ashley and Kaidan are seperate characters. In fact, they are the same, they fill the same roles within the story, are written to make the same decisions within the plot--regardless of any presumed idiosyncracies--and even have much the same if not identicle dialogue. The only thing differentiating the two is a superficial veneer created by seperate appearances and voice work, for in all other aspects they are essentially the same.

With regards to the original intent of this thread, I share the same concern. but extend that apprehension further to the promised intersquad dialogue as well. With so little effort put into developing relationships between squadmembers in previous games, introducing them now--at the tail end of the series--runs a real risk of such relations feeling forced. And indeed, I thought the banter between Wrex, Garrus, and Liara in the leaked footage was rather strange. Moreover, if I am permitted to nitpick, I'd also say it suffered from "just tuning in" style dialogue--such as that found in cartoons--where characters unnaturally use one anothers names in sentences and frequently lapse into reminicences on the premise that the viewer has no idea who any of these people are. I suppose fans like this sort of thing, past occurences referenced as though they were trivia, but for my part I find it awkward.

[someone else]

Troika0 wrote...
 it suffered from "just tuning in" style dialogue--such as that found in cartoons--where characters unnaturally use one anothers names in sentences and frequently lapse into reminicences on the premise that the viewer has no idea who any of these people are.

think i read a comment from casey that ME3 was designed to be a "great" entry point for ME virgins - so yeah, not surprising

[CerberusWarrior]

Random Nobody wrote...

And how do you mean "respected"?

  

As in squad mates . Its real simple us ME 2 fans want our LI on the squad and this crap about the squad being small does not cut it when the whole freaking squad from ME 1 is on the squad in ME 3 .

[someone else]

CerberusWarrior wrote...

Random Nobody wrote...

And how do you mean "respected"?

  

As in squad mates . Its real simple us ME 2 fans want our LI on the squad and this crap about the squad being small does not cut it when the whole freaking squad from ME 1 is on the squad in ME 3 .

...mira doan get no 'spect

[Labrev]

Personally I had far more issue with the treatment she got in Genesis than the Illium and LotSB stuff.

[jtrook]

someone else wrote...

CerberusWarrior wrote...

all I want is for ME 2 LI to be respected in ME 3 by Bioware

as in if I made the choice, she/he damn well better be there...and puttin' out

I don't always quote people on forums but when I do, make sure it's this awesome. Stay thirsty my friends.

[surfgirlusa_2006]

Non-Liara Thoughts on Romances:
My biggest problem with romances in Mass Effect 2 is how shallow they feel. Conversation options are quite limited, and I don’t feel like I ever got to know any of these characters well enough to realistically go that route. In addition, the relationship feels like it was something added in to placate fans, rather than being a relatively important part of the story. While I’m not saying it should be of primary importance (since not everyone likes romances), it does seem like it could have a bigger role. I guess I was just expecting a lot more from Bioware seeing how I enjoyed the romances in some of their other games, and was rather disappointed.