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[Merchant2006]

This needs to be placed in the hellhole of the romance and character discussion board.

[Harmless Citizen]

MassStorm, you are completely missing the point.

And "Oh c'mon" isn't a viable rebuttal. Fact is, some people want to stay dead when they die.

[FryPanNN]

What I don't understand from the guys defending the actions of Liara or others is that when ME1 arrived, there wasn't anyone complaining the rude, jerk actions Shepard could perform. When this was taken away by the last dlcs and some people start complaining, these defenders appear everywhere and try to convince us.

What is the problem of having the same level of roleplay of ME1 again, at least in dialog options?
These are the only things I want back, nothing more. To not make our actions and choices irrelevant in the other games.

Modifié par FryPanNN, 27 novembre 2011 - 03:07 .

[MassStorm]

Random Nobody wrote...

I like Liara, it's just that her Shepard obsession came off as odd to me. Three conversations, and look how badly she wants Shep's vagina/penis.

I would agree on that but i do not think other romances are pretty much different....Tali anyone? 

[someone else]

Random Nobody wrote...

I like Liara, it's just that her Shepard obsession came off as odd to me. Three conversations, and look how badly she wants Shep's vagina/penis.

Awwww, she's just a kid, young, impressionable and horny - can you remember back that far?

[Harmless Citizen]

She already mind molests you twice. That should be enough, dammit.

[someone else]

FryPanNN wrote...
To not make our actions and choices irrelevant in the other games. 

Apparently thwarting such a goal is something of a cause celebre at BW, if the rumors about ME3 are to be believed.

[Someone With Mass]

Random Nobody wrote...

She already mind molests you twice. That should be enough, dammit.

Shepard got mind molested by the Prothean beacons and pyramids too.

[Harmless Citizen]

Let's face it - the "She messed up my mind!" dialogue option pretty much sums up ME1.

That and accidental asari sex.

[someone else]

Random Nobody wrote...

She already mind molests you twice. That should be enough, dammit.

Like I said, can you remember back that far - and also, even if she tumbles at the end of LotSB, she's a lot more committed to Haglaz Enterprises,LLC than Shep...

But Pan has a point more generally - the dialog options seemed more open ended in ME1 - but that's likely because he writers hadn't fully dealth with the story arc back then  - as it get closer to the pot of gold, the curvature of the rainbow becomes more constrained...

Modifié par someone else, 27 novembre 2011 - 03:17 .

[Someone With Mass]

FryPanNN wrote...
What is the problem of having the same level of roleplay of ME1 again, at least in dialog options?
These are the only things I want back, nothing more. To not make our actions and choices irrelevant in the other games.

You must be joking.

ME1 had the most jarring roleplaying I've ever seen.

The characters didn't care and the dialogues were often three options with the same damn outcome and answer for all of them.

Judging by the script, ME3 is doing it infinitely better than ME1. Both when it comes to recognize Shepard's backgrounds and the past actions with the characters.

THAT is a good roleplaying.

[FryPanNN]

Someone With Mass wrote...

FryPanNN wrote...
What is the problem of having the same level of roleplay of ME1 again, at least in dialog options?
These are the only things I want back, nothing more. To not make our actions and choices irrelevant in the other games.

You must be joking.

ME1 had the most jarring roleplaying I've ever seen.

The characters didn't care and the dialogues were often three options with the same damn outcome and answer for all of them.

Judging by the script, ME3 is doing it infinitely better than ME1. Both when it comes to recognize Shepard's backgrounds and the past actions with the characters.

THAT is a good roleplaying.

Ok, if you say so...

[Harmless Citizen]

Nah, SWM is pretty much spot on in that regard. Lots of dialogue options yielded the exact same lines in ME1. That, or the same idea delivered politely or in the flavour of dick.

Same as ME2.

[FryPanNN]

Yes, I agree in ME1 a lot of dialog led to the same line spoken, this was true in the conversation with Sovereign, all 3 options led to the exact same thing spoken by Shepard, but most others, only the paragon and neutral options led to the same dialog, the renegade was different. So all they had to do was remove the neutral or paragon.

If I recall correctly of course...

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Xilizhra wrote...

I just really hope we can do the same with Liara and have Shepard feel resentment for her gaving his/her body to Cerberus.

Oh, yes, because it's so much better to stay a corpse while the Reapers destroy the galaxy, amirite?

One of the only times I ever I agree with you...

[someone else]

@Random Nobody

yeah, in many cases, true enough, but in some - e.g., Noveria, esp the rachni queen scene (genuine masterpiece - so far NOT topped by anything so far, imho) the dialog options are very deep, branching and varied. Its not just the response to a particular question but the entire dialog tree.

Modifié par someone else, 27 novembre 2011 - 03:35 .

[FrosTMorning]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I just really hope we can do the same with Liara and have Shepard feel resentment for her gaving his/her body to Cerberus.

Oh, yes, because it's so much better to stay a corpse while the Reapers destroy the galaxy, amirite?

One of the only times I ever I agree with you...

heheheh, i'd prefer stay dead while highly intelligent and arrogant giant machines destroy and liquefy the whole damn galaxy...

[Dariustwinblade]

Is it so hard to believe Shepards opinion and character has changed after two years being dead.

[FryPanNN]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Is it so hard to believe Shepards opinion and character has changed after two years being dead.

Considering that in less than 5 minutes he was seeing his ship explode and wake up in a lab with strange people, i think it is hard to believe. His brain didn't collect any new information in the two years he was dead . He didn't even know what was going on and said the last thing he remembered was the normandy blowing up.

So, to Shepard, it didn't pass two years at all, just like for the player: between the opening cutscene and the cerberus station.

[Harmless Citizen]

FemShep even has a line that goes something like, "It's hard to accept how changed everyone is. For them it's been two years, but for me, it's been a couple weeks."

Something to that effect. Don't quote me on it, though. It supposedly only pans if you romance Jacob, and I never did any romances.

[Barquiel]

FrosTMorning wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I just really hope we can do the same with Liara and have Shepard feel resentment for her gaving his/her body to Cerberus.

Oh, yes, because it's so much better to stay a corpse while the Reapers destroy the galaxy, amirite?

One of the only times I ever I agree with you...

heheheh, i'd prefer stay dead while highly intelligent and arrogant giant machines destroy and liquefy the whole damn galaxy...

Well, you can always romance Morinth if you want to die -> Liara gave you the opportunity to die happy!

[Dariustwinblade]

In Lotsb Shepard WANTs to help Liara. Why would your Shepard help Liara if (s)he hated her.


Thats why you have forced friendship in the dlc cause you are helping a friend. LOTSB is completely optional.

If you canonicaly didn't do lotsb Liara still beats the SB without your help. The buddy buddy act never happens.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In Lotsb Shepard WANTs to help Liara. Why would your Shepard help Liara if (s)he hated her.


Thats why you have forced friendship in the dlc cause you are helping a friend. LOTSB is completely optional.

If you canonicaly didn't do lotsb Liara still beats the SB without your help. The buddy buddy act never happens.

It would be nice for that quest to be pursued in a "I don't like you, but I am willing to work with you for the greater good" way as well. I think that $10 justifies that level of content in a DLC.

[FryPanNN]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In Lotsb Shepard WANTs to help Liara. Why would your Shepard help Liara if (s)he hated her.


Thats why you have forced friendship in the dlc cause you are helping a friend. LOTSB is completely optional.

If you canonicaly didn't do lotsb Liara still beats the SB without your help. The buddy buddy act never happens.

If in ME3, without playing LOTSB, Liara do that on her own without Shepard's help, of course I won't be carrying this DLC to the next game, but still, doesn't mean there won't be forced friendship in ME3 either, that's my concern.

But if the game says that I helped her even without playing, of course I will play, because it could be even worse: maybe it will assume I hugged her or took her aboard the normandy for that catch up, or both!

Look, it is beginning to look like I am a Liara hater, but I don't want to be forced friends with anybody. Think about being friends with the Illusive Man in ME3 if you hate the guy.

I am a forced friendship hater. Good times in ME1 when you could treat everyone as expendable for your mission.

Modifié par FryPanNN, 27 novembre 2011 - 08:45 .

[Harmless Citizen]

Not comparable. Liara may have done things disagreeably, but unlike TIM, she isn't ever outright antagonistic.