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[mineralica]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

In Lotsb Shepard WANTs to help Liara. Why would your Shepard help Liara if (s)he hated her.


Thats why you have forced friendship in the dlc cause you are helping a friend. LOTSB is completely optional.

If you canonicaly didn't do lotsb Liara still beats the SB without your help. The buddy buddy act never happens.

Oh? Then "Help Liara gain more plot importance" should have been the name of this DLC. Because silly me hoped that the actual plot will be "Shepard got intel about Shadow Broker and Liara wants revenge. Go after Shadow Broker, get his base and use it as you wish - handle it to Cerberus, Alliance, Council, or make on of your crew or Liara a new Shadow Broker".

'sigh' I hope two occasions was enough - now I won't approach to DLC with "Of The" in the title even with 10 feet pole.

[FryPanNN]

Random Nobody wrote...

Not comparable. Liara may have done things disagreeably, but unlike TIM, she isn't ever outright antagonistic.

Indeed, but the fact that you gave me this answer just shows how much disappointed you would be if that happens. Which of course, won't.

But as we said many times, this is a issue which bioware can solve and please everyone, just make dialog lines neutral, no "LIARA'S IN THERE!" instead of something like "WE'RE TOO LATE!" or "WE NEED TO HURRY!". All these little things can make a lot of difference.

"Any friend of yours is a friend of mine, what's our next step?" - "Let's take down the Shadow Broker then. Where do we begin?"

"Liara! Anything I should know?"  -  "I guess you know something I don't."

"It was good talking to you Liara, let me know if you need anything." - "I better get going, let me know when you find anything useful."

" - Maybe I can turn this operation into something better!
 - Thanks Liara! Let me know when you find anything"   -  "Good luck."

" - I'm going to end you, Vasir!
  - It's okay Liara! We'll handle it, the usual way!"   - "Let me handle it." Or add a choice here to use  "Back off Liara! She's mine!"

Some examples of more neutral lines on the answers and auto dialog.

Modifié par FryPanNN, 27 novembre 2011 - 09:31 .

[MegaBadExample]

I'm still waiting for Liara to be thrown in the blender.

[DoNotIngest]

der be sum gud feedback 4 da trial uv da new Gmagz/Privet Window mancin;

Saphra Deden wrote...

I surprised myself and thoroughly enjoyed the GMagnum/Private Window romance. Good writing even if it did seem ridiculous at first. I especially enjoyed the explanation for how blunts hardwired into the Geth units could slow down the Geth Collective's processes and sedate them enough to be brought under the control of Admiral Xen.

Arcian wrote...

Liked it until I realised the swarm of plebeian GMagnum/Pvt. Window peasant fanboys that are going to hit the BSN come ME3.


It'll be worse than Talimancers, mark my words.

IsaacShepard wrote...


The dialogue with Kaidan was great. Felt bad when GMag got nervous and drank all that milk on date night. It was sweet how Window stayed with him even when he was locked up all night with the runs.

dis romance gon be hella gud tbh jus look @ dem reviews

[MassStorm]

@ FryPanNN
Liara Haters here....not worth discussing anymore, this entire issue of having assholish lines to say is utterly nonsense. Now if you will excuse me i will enjoy the central importance in the plot of my blue lady as information broker and deepest romance of the game. You can stay here and keep blabbing your hate. Haters gonna hate.

Gently sponsored from my colleagues of the Blue Brigade

Modifié par MassStorm, 27 novembre 2011 - 09:39 .

[Clara Shepard]

MassStorm wrote...

Random Nobody wrote...

Unless

1. Shep didn't want to be brought back to life.
2. Shepard's hatred of Cerberus (and the distinct possibility s/he could be mind-controlled) precluded such feelings.

It's perfectly possible to be both grateful to be alive and pissed at Liara. Don't force your interpretation.

Point 1: Really??? C'mon
Point 2: You do not know that just wild speculation, though Miranda said that TIM explicitly forbidden to put any control device on Shepard not to risk an alteration of the original one

Actually, my shep would resent Liara for handing her to Cerberus, in ME1 Cerberus was worse than the reapers... like come on, atleast the reapers weren't racist    they killed everyone equally!   And yeah, sure Shep's alive because of Liara, but it doesn't mean I need to be forced to be grateful, the only satisfaction I want Liara to have is knowing that Shepard forgave her... but doesn't want to be f***ing friends anymore.  Like come on, I have the choice to stab someone in the back with a glowing stick and I'm able to kick people out of windows but I can't tell Liara "I hate you".   That's not even roleplaying anymore, that's just "Here's a game without any player choices... enjoy!"

[Clara Shepard]

MegaBadExample wrote...

I'm still waiting for Liara to be thrown in the blender.

 I want to feed her to the reapers. <3

[Someone With Mass]

MegaBadExample wrote...

I'm still waiting for Liara to be thrown in the blender.

I'm still waiting for the VS to shut the hell up about Shepard working with Cerberus.

[Clara Shepard]

And I'm all for having Liara with a happy ending, but not everyone is Liara fans, some people just don't like her, and everyone should get a choice in what they want to do and what they hate, I'm just saying the game is about choices. I'm just happy if everyone gets to make their own, I don't want anyone to be forced into something they DON'T want. I for one want to drag Major Alenko into the nearest bedroom and discuss.. biotics... but that doesn't mean I want EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THE GAME to be forced into the same situation.

[Harmless Citizen]

The reapers seem pretty racist to me.

[FrosTMorning]

Clara Shepard wrote...

And I'm all for having Liara with a
happy ending, but not everyone is Liara fans, some people just don't
like her, and everyone should get a choice in what they want to do and
what they hate, I'm just saying the game is about choices. I'm just
happy if everyone gets to make their own, I don't want anyone to be
forced into something they DON'T want. I for one want to drag Major
Alenko into the nearest bedroom and discuss.. biotics... but that
doesn't mean I want EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THE GAME to be forced into the
same situation.

most reasonable post here, unlike the obsessive liara-fans and their obsessive character...

Modifié par FrosTMorning, 27 novembre 2011 - 09:52 .

[Someone With Mass]

Random Nobody wrote...

The reapers seem pretty racist to me.

I think they're more like fascists myself.

[FrosTMorning]

no point on discussing this with obsessed character fans....

Modifié par FrosTMorning, 27 novembre 2011 - 09:47 .

[Vilio1]

Clara Shepard wrote...
Like come on, I have the choice to stab someone in the back with a glowing stick and I'm able to kick people out of windows but I can't tell Liara "I hate you".   That's not even roleplaying anymore, that's just "Here's a game without any player choices... enjoy!"

I really want to shoot the VS on Horizon, the game didn't give me the choice either...

[DoNotIngest]

ya saph i wasnt expectin dat thx a lot for dat tbh next time u come over i got sum choco chip n banana muffins dey sound weerd but dey hella gud tbh u can have many as u want

[IndigoWolfe]

Clara Shepard wrote...

And I'm all for having Liara with a happy ending, but not everyone is Liara fans, some people just don't like her, and everyone should get a choice in what they want to do and what they hate, I'm just saying the game is about choices. I'm just happy if everyone gets to make their own, I don't want anyone to be forced into something they DON'T want. I for one want to drag Major Alenko into the nearest bedroom and discuss.. biotics... but that doesn't mean I want EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THE GAME to be forced into the same situation.

And when was Shepard forced into a situation where he or she drags Liara into the nearest bedroom and discuss... biotics? For Pete's sake...

[Xilizhra]

But as we said many times, this is a issue which bioware can solve and please everyone, just make dialog lines neutral, no "LIARA'S IN THERE!" instead of something like "WE'RE TOO LATE!" or "WE NEED TO HURRY!". All these little things can make a lot of difference.

Assuming that there were options for less neutral lines for those who wanted them, of course.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

MassStorm wrote...

@ FryPanNN
Liara Haters here....not worth discussing anymore, this entire issue of having assholish lines to say is utterly nonsense. Now if you will excuse me i will enjoy the central importance in the plot of my blue lady as information broker and deepest romance of the game. You can stay here and keep blabbing your hate. Haters gonna hate.

Gently sponsored from my colleagues of the Blue Brigade

And did this despite the fact you killed her mother.

[Yuqi]

Where is PD (The S.H Panda) when you need him 

Modifié par Yuqi, 28 novembre 2011 - 12:55 .

[Dariustwinblade]

There is something called the limit of Roleplaying you can do. Especially in story driven rpgs.

The writers have to limit certain choices for the sake of the story.

Unless you want smt like Kotor where your choices are nulled and are not canon.

Or Da2 where they are retonned. You can kill Leliana and send Anders to the Templar and they still come in Da2 .I rather not have choice than have them retonned.



Geralt can't kill the Ambassador of Nilfguard after he is knocked out conscious. Cause it goes against his character.

Adam Jensen can't kill Megan cause she needs to life and see her work completed.

Even in Skyrim for all its freedom you have to kill Parthanax to advance the blade mission.

I am a Joker-hater I hate him with every fibre of my being.

He is even worse than Liara. Liara is the reason I am alive. Joker is the reason I am dead.

But I know apparently Joker is one of Shepards best buds REGARDLESS of my liking. You can't even say anything bad to him. You can't even confront him about the SR1 incident.

I as his hater, understand he is important to the plot and can't be mistreated. I'll suck it up and will play Me3 regardless and wont let this hamper my enjoyment. Or I am in for more resentment.

I didn't want Shepard saying
"I an tired of my BEST FRIENDS(the VS) not beliving me" this is after Horizon.

This is Shepards story and he to has a personality. He considers Joker, Anderson, Liara and the VS as friends. Then who am I to judge.

Suck it up haters and deal with it!
I did, unless you want the bitter resentment of unexpected and forced friendship when playing me3.

[Clara Shepard]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

Clara Shepard wrote...

And I'm all for having Liara with a happy ending, but not everyone is Liara fans, some people just don't like her, and everyone should get a choice in what they want to do and what they hate, I'm just saying the game is about choices. I'm just happy if everyone gets to make their own, I don't want anyone to be forced into something they DON'T want. I for one want to drag Major Alenko into the nearest bedroom and discuss.. biotics... but that doesn't mean I want EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THE GAME to be forced into the same situation.

And when was Shepard forced into a situation where he or she drags Liara into the nearest bedroom and discuss... biotics? For Pete's sake...

No, for one thing I don't mean anything like that happened with Liara, I was putting it as a example for what could happen in the next game but I'd like if everyone had the choice of not doing it.  That is what I'm saying, I just want the freedom to make my own choices, and I don't want others to be forced into those decisions.

[JamieCOTC]

You bet. Treat them like subordinates, or friends. Your choice. - Mac Walters

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