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GMagnum wrote...

i wan sum fist fite lyke rocky boxing match omg
dat shyt wuld be hella gud tbh

Agreed. Even if it's just quicktime events I would much rather have a physical confrontation instead of just shooting EVERYTHING.

Even though I hated MGS4 for it's pretentiousness and bad writing, that face off with the evil Liquid guy was sweet.

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matt-bassist wrote...

Kai Leng *is* a joke. The fact that the writers have to rely on a badly written character, from a bunch of poorly written books to fill the void in ME3 is hilarious.

Saren will always be the best villain, because he was an original character. Created in the mind and brought to life by an awesome writer I can only assume. He bossed it up and was believable.

Realism is the problem I have with Kai Leng. He is so over-the-top it's stupid. I'm also upset because the game is going to auto-matically assume we've read those dreadful *novels* to understand why we're supposed to be scared of this guy.

Of course, all will be forgiven if I can just draw my pistol right after he says some presumably lame introduction speech, which will of course include some swearing to show how *cool* he is, and just shoot him straight in the face and kill him outright. Like in Indiana Jones. I would forgive Bioware for including lame characters from their side-line book series.

Having read the script though, this will not be the case.


How is Kai Leng over the top? He's not any more impressive than a lot of other characters (i.e. Wrex, Thane, Aria, Zaeed, Shepard, etc...)

The rest of your hate for Kai Leng is based off assumption you made about his role in the third game. Which seems rather silly. However I haven't read the script, so maybe you already have evidence supporting your assumptions.

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why is all cyborg'ed up? In the book he was most badass because he was just a regular guy with no amazing abilities, just pure determination, ruthlessness, and skill.

He was pretty scary actually now that I recall, because he never gave his victims a chance.

But in the game I guess it would have to be a straight up fight so he needs to be given a power boost to compensate.


(Spoilers to the book below)

Anderson did shoot him with a shotgun in both legs at the Grissom academy after killing Greyson.  Maybe TIM had him augmented further to make him even more BA like you said.
PS
Am I the only one who likes Kai I think he is preety cool?

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He is goin to be one bad ass mofooo.

I hope hes recuitable, I helluva dont wanna try and push his buttons.

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111987 wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

Kai Leng *is* a joke. The fact that the writers have to rely on a badly written character, from a bunch of poorly written books to fill the void in ME3 is hilarious.

Saren will always be the best villain, because he was an original character. Created in the mind and brought to life by an awesome writer I can only assume. He bossed it up and was believable.

Realism is the problem I have with Kai Leng. He is so over-the-top it's stupid. I'm also upset because the game is going to auto-matically assume we've read those dreadful *novels* to understand why we're supposed to be scared of this guy.

Of course, all will be forgiven if I can just draw my pistol right after he says some presumably lame introduction speech, which will of course include some swearing to show how *cool* he is, and just shoot him straight in the face and kill him outright. Like in Indiana Jones. I would forgive Bioware for including lame characters from their side-line book series.

Having read the script though, this will not be the case.


How is Kai Leng over the top? He's not any more impressive than a lot of other characters (i.e. Wrex, Thane, Aria, Zaeed, Shepard, etc...)

The rest of your hate for Kai Leng is based off assumption you made about his role in the third game. Which seems rather silly. However I haven't read the script, so maybe you already have evidence supporting your assumptions.


You know, you're absolutely right. Most of my anger is based off assumption. Kai Leng's first appearance however WILL ****** off pretty much everyone, especially those who dislike the novels like myself, if it hasn't been changed since the script was written. I guess I'm just upset that they are forcing the expanded universe (novels, comics, etc.) into the games, where i truly believe they DO NOT belong. 

The expanded universe, despite being poorly written, also follows only one canon storyline, and the whole point of the Mass Effect series is that *your* desicions matter, and change and shape the galaxy. The EU basically ignores anything you have done in the games, and now that they are trying to force Kai Leng (and Kahlee Sanders to a lesser extent) into them... urgh it's just such a poor implimentation, because now we are expected to read the novels (which i've begrudgingly done) to understand really important parts of the game.

TL;DR version: The expanded universe should be seperate from the games because then we aren't forced to read crap to understand important plot points. Unimportant side-characters can pop up sure, but not such important plotlines. :bandit:

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matt-bassist wrote...

111987 wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

Kai Leng *is* a joke. The fact that the writers have to rely on a badly written character, from a bunch of poorly written books to fill the void in ME3 is hilarious.

Saren will always be the best villain, because he was an original character. Created in the mind and brought to life by an awesome writer I can only assume. He bossed it up and was believable.

Realism is the problem I have with Kai Leng. He is so over-the-top it's stupid. I'm also upset because the game is going to auto-matically assume we've read those dreadful *novels* to understand why we're supposed to be scared of this guy.

Of course, all will be forgiven if I can just draw my pistol right after he says some presumably lame introduction speech, which will of course include some swearing to show how *cool* he is, and just shoot him straight in the face and kill him outright. Like in Indiana Jones. I would forgive Bioware for including lame characters from their side-line book series.

Having read the script though, this will not be the case.


How is Kai Leng over the top? He's not any more impressive than a lot of other characters (i.e. Wrex, Thane, Aria, Zaeed, Shepard, etc...)

The rest of your hate for Kai Leng is based off assumption you made about his role in the third game. Which seems rather silly. However I haven't read the script, so maybe you already have evidence supporting your assumptions.


You know, you're absolutely right. Most of my anger is based off assumption. Kai Leng's first appearance however WILL ****** off pretty much everyone, especially those who dislike the novels like myself, if it hasn't been changed since the script was written. I guess I'm just upset that they are forcing the expanded universe (novels, comics, etc.) into the games, where i truly believe they DO NOT belong. 

The expanded universe, despite being poorly written, also follows only one canon storyline, and the whole point of the Mass Effect series is that *your* desicions matter, and change and shape the galaxy. The EU basically ignores anything you have done in the games, and now that they are trying to force Kai Leng (and Kahlee Sanders to a lesser extent) into them... urgh it's just such a poor implimentation, because now we are expected to read the novels (which i've begrudgingly done) to understand really important parts of the game.

TL;DR version: The expanded universe should be seperate from the games because then we aren't forced to read crap to understand important plot points. Unimportant side-characters can pop up sure, but not such important plotlines. :bandit:



We could find out novel related information through conversation with squad mates or NPC's

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That picture of Kai kinda reminds me of Nightwing.

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D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

We could find out novel related information through conversation with squad mates or NPC's


I'm guessing it will be like that. Just like in ME1 where Anderson explains an abridged version of the first book.

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D3MON-SOVER3IGN wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

111987 wrote...

matt-bassist wrote...

Kai Leng *is* a joke. The fact that the writers have to rely on a badly written character, from a bunch of poorly written books to fill the void in ME3 is hilarious.

Saren will always be the best villain, because he was an original character. Created in the mind and brought to life by an awesome writer I can only assume. He bossed it up and was believable.

Realism is the problem I have with Kai Leng. He is so over-the-top it's stupid. I'm also upset because the game is going to auto-matically assume we've read those dreadful *novels* to understand why we're supposed to be scared of this guy.

Of course, all will be forgiven if I can just draw my pistol right after he says some presumably lame introduction speech, which will of course include some swearing to show how *cool* he is, and just shoot him straight in the face and kill him outright. Like in Indiana Jones. I would forgive Bioware for including lame characters from their side-line book series.

Having read the script though, this will not be the case.


How is Kai Leng over the top? He's not any more impressive than a lot of other characters (i.e. Wrex, Thane, Aria, Zaeed, Shepard, etc...)

The rest of your hate for Kai Leng is based off assumption you made about his role in the third game. Which seems rather silly. However I haven't read the script, so maybe you already have evidence supporting your assumptions.


You know, you're absolutely right. Most of my anger is based off assumption. Kai Leng's first appearance however WILL ****** off pretty much everyone, especially those who dislike the novels like myself, if it hasn't been changed since the script was written. I guess I'm just upset that they are forcing the expanded universe (novels, comics, etc.) into the games, where i truly believe they DO NOT belong. 

The expanded universe, despite being poorly written, also follows only one canon storyline, and the whole point of the Mass Effect series is that *your* desicions matter, and change and shape the galaxy. The EU basically ignores anything you have done in the games, and now that they are trying to force Kai Leng (and Kahlee Sanders to a lesser extent) into them... urgh it's just such a poor implimentation, because now we are expected to read the novels (which i've begrudgingly done) to understand really important parts of the game.

TL;DR version: The expanded universe should be seperate from the games because then we aren't forced to read crap to understand important plot points. Unimportant side-characters can pop up sure, but not such important plotlines. :bandit:



We could find out novel related information through conversation with squad mates or NPC's


Perhaps after your first encounter with Kai Leng EDI gives you a run-down of who he is from the Cerberus database. That could work, I guess.

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Did anyone else not really care for Saren? I feel nothing for him...I don't think he is a super great villain, nor do I think he's terrible. He's just...kind of there. :/

I do hope they have a "main" villain that is present. Hopefully this guy will be it.

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I have to say that I REALLY hated ol' Mr.Kai in Retribution so I am eager to kill him in ME3. Can he be the Yin to Shepard's Yang? Can he be the rival that Saren was? Can he even TOP saren? We shall see. :)

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matt-bassist wrote...

Of course, all will be forgiven if I can just draw my pistol right after he says some presumably lame introduction speech, which will of course include some swearing to show how *cool* he is, and just shoot him straight in the face and kill him outright. Like in Indiana Jones.

I don't exactly agree with your rant about the books, but yes you should get a "Bold Action" / Renegade interrupt when you first meet him and shoot him with your sidearm like Indy did to the Cairo Swordsman.

"Don't bring a knife to a gunfight."

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Did anyone else not really care for Saren? I feel nothing for him...I don't think he is a super great villain, nor do I think he's terrible. He's just...kind of there. :/

I do hope they have a "main" villain that is present. Hopefully this guy will be it.


I happen to agree. For me, it was because there was no personal or emotional connection between Shepard and Saren. You could have replaced the character of Saren with pretty much anyone else who had fallen under the sway of the Reapers and the story would be the same. Killin Saren felt the same as killing any random mercenary to me.

As of right now there isn't an emotional or personal connection between Shepard and Kai Leng, but hopefully one develops throughout ME3.

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Guy looks like Raiden from Metal Gear

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Saren wasn't that bad. He's more a tragic hero than anything - he believed that what he was doing was for the good cause.


But Kai Leng? Hmm, lemme say there are plenty of reasons why hating him. It would go down into "spoilery stuff", but lets say, I will be pleased to take him out of commission. Either by a bullet right between the eyes or by breaking his legs. Twice. With a pumpgun.

Did I mention I'm a peaceful guy? ^^


Whatever - when personal feelings interfere with your missions, don't expect a peaceful outcome. I'll pick the renegade choice if that's needed to take out Kai Leng, even if it adds 500 RP at once :innocent:

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Kai Leng needs to be an opponent that Shepard can't simply shoot with a bullet or use biotic/tech abilitie's, Kai Leng needs to make Shepard think fast when fighting him, put Shepard out of his/her comfort zone, toy with Shepard and make Shepard use every second fighting him could be the differnce between life or death

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lightsnow13 wrote...

Did anyone else not really care for Saren? I feel nothing for him...I don't think he is a super great villain, nor do I think he's terrible. He's just...kind of there. :/

I do hope they have a "main" villain that is present. Hopefully this guy will be it.


I think I know what you mean....

He didn't seem like a villian to me, because I rarely came face to face with him. I'm hoping we have multiple encounters with Kai Lang. It makes the pursuit against the enemy much more engaging.

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Drone223 wrote...

Kai Leng needs to be an opponent that Shepard can't simply shoot with a bullet or use biotic/tech abilitie's, Kai Leng needs to make Shepard think fast when fighting him, put Shepard out of his/her comfort zone, toy with Shepard and make Shepard use every second fighting him could be the differnce between life or death


I hope so. Fighting Kai Leng should be as difficult as fighting Saren on Insane with just a Kessler MK I pistol.

Make it difficult: blood, sweat and tears, gentlemen!

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I hope so. Fighting Kai Leng should be as difficult as fighting Saren on Insane with just a Kessler MK I pistol.

Why would anyone do this to themselves?

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Arcian wrote...

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I hope so. Fighting Kai Leng should be as difficult as fighting Saren on Insane with just a Kessler MK I pistol.

Why would anyone do this to themselves?


The pain!

Naa, seriously, I use this line quite often for a nearly impossible thing. Like saving Kaidan AND Ashley on Virmire. I'd like to see it, but it should be difficult like ... yes, like said line.:innocent:

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Saren was a solid villain, but not great. What stood out about him was him being a turian and the stereotypes and baggage that come with. Make him a human, and you get ten times more probability these boards would bash him.

That's Kai Leng right now. Retribution didn't paint him particularly well, at least as far as his deeper motives go, apart from him being standard-issue pseudo-Cerberus racist with N7 training and a thing for barfights. But I sure hope the game will expand upon him more, 'cause until then nothing is definite.

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Should be great. Some of the script does make him out to be the best henchman in the series but we'll see who is voicing him and whatnot.

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AlphaJarmel wrote...

Should be great. Some of the script does make him out to be the best henchman in the series but we'll see who is voicing him and whatnot.


I agree.

Oh, he's taunting you. He's taunting you like hell. But unlike Harbinger, he can actually back it up.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

AlphaJarmel wrote...

Should be great. Some of the script does make him out to be the best henchman in the series but we'll see who is voicing him and whatnot.


I agree.

Oh, he's taunting you. He's taunting you like hell. But unlike Harbinger, he can actually back it up.


Harby is kinda destroying Earth and making it his laboratory while sending his fellow Reapers to destroy rest of galaxy.


He's backing it up pretty much.

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Harby is kinda destroying Earth and making it his laboratory while sending his fellow Reapers to destroy rest of galaxy.


He's backing it up pretty much.


The part about destiny and ascension? Not so much.

When Kai Leng says that he can hurt you, he really can.

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