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[HowlHowl]

Quething wrote...

I can't see Isabela in full plate, no (though depending on era, full plate is far more flexible than most people give it credit for), but simple leather armor would provide a lot more protection against stray bites from dragonlings and standing too close to a fireball without sacrificing much of any dexterity. That's the reason there's light armor in the first place (actually I wouldn't want to be wearing anything metal against a dragon period; I stick my hands and face in active ovens for a living and let me tell you, rings and bracelets are even less ideal than naked skin).

I generally envision her as wearing her usual pirate gear most of the time, and grudgingly letting Hawke stuff her into something sturdier whenever they know there's going to be a major fight (or they go somewhere cold). So, like, varterrals, dragons that they know about in advance (which is... one of them, haha), Xebenkeck, the expedition and both DLCs, probably Meredith depending on how long they had to prep before the templars managed to cross the water. (Notably not Castillon, much to main!Hawke's distress, since the double-cross doesn't work otherwise.) So still, only maybe half a dozen times in seven years. But those half-dozen times still sort of bug me if I imagine her no-pantsing them.

I'd still raise the point that her flexibility is probably beyong that of even the lightest of armors because she's wearing the normal skankmail she's used to, but I see what you mean and pretty much agree. Again, none of this would be a problem if changing companion equipment included clothing and armor. Ah well.

[shephawke]

i honestly couldnt care as much as i am a girl myself i think if it does that keep my brother from playng it

[Rawgrim]

Wouldn`t revealing armour kind of ruin the point of armour in the first place? Revealing clothes, would make sense though.

[Meris]

Revealing armor is a nonsensical form of fanservice.

Revealing clothes is fanservice too, but at least it doesn't defeat the purpose of wearing clothes.

Modifié par Meris, 07 décembre 2011 - 01:52 .

[Sylvianus]

For those who are saying they do not see Isabela wearing an armor, she did in DAO, before that revealing outfit in DA2.

So I do not really understand how you can think that.

Pirates can wear light armor, which protect them and allow mobility at the same time.

The outfit of Isabela, is pathetic in combat. Vulnerable to anything and everything. And yes, Isabela wearing armor is totally in her personality. Or then, bioware has no coherence between two episodes about the characters.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 07 décembre 2011 - 06:14 .

[Imsyu]

I dont mind revealing armor as long as its a choice like ver 1 for non revealing and version 2 for revealing

[MagmaSaiyan]

Sylvianus wrote...

For those who are saying they do not see Isabela wearing an armor, she did in DAO, before that revealing outfit in DA2.

So I do not really understand how you can think that.

Pirates can wear light armor, which protect them and allow mobility at the same time.

The outfit of Isabela, is pathetic in combat. Vulnerable to anything and everything. And yes, Isabela wearing armor is totally in her personality. Or then, bioware has no coherence between two episodes about the characters.

well yes she did wear armor in DAO she also got "enhancements" in DA2 which wouldnt exactly fit into armor, where i dont dissagree that pirates can wear light armor, but as far i know i havent seen pirates wear any armor, even in PotC(even though i havent seen any of them) unless its under the clothes, so if there is some who do, show me a reference to which pirates actually wear armor

[Sylvianus]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

For those who are saying they do not see Isabela wearing an armor, she did in DAO, before that revealing outfit in DA2.

So I do not really understand how you can think that.

Pirates can wear light armor, which protect them and allow mobility at the same time.

The outfit of Isabela, is pathetic in combat. Vulnerable to anything and everything. And yes, Isabela wearing armor is totally in her personality. Or then, bioware has no coherence between two episodes about the characters.

well yes she did wear armor in DAO she also got "enhancements" in DA2 which wouldnt exactly fit into armor, where i dont dissagree that pirates can wear light armor, but as far i know i havent seen pirates wear any armor, even in PotC(even though i havent seen any of them) unless its under the clothes, so if there is some who do, show me a reference to which pirates actually wear armor

Hayder, Castillon and all the random guys with them, Felissicima Armada, and some other guys on the coast who attack us, what is it ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 décembre 2011 - 01:21 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Castillon, Evetts, etc - they're raiders and slavers. They deal in high stakes smuggling, which puts them more at risk of getting a knife in the gut. So too, they're more about the strong-arming, and *looking* fierce and formidable.

Isabela, on the other hand, is about stealth, swiftness, deftness, etc. She comes off as formidable without having to "wear" the part. And while she may have worn armor in DA:O, perhaps it was because the job at the time called for it. Shipwrecked and in Kirkwall for DA2...she is free to be comfortable in what is probably her standard attire. And it still serves the purpose for the type of fighter that she is - she's a duelist. It's all about dexterity.

[Sylvianus]

slavers, raiders, and pirates. Piracy is not limited to looting ship and control of the sea, with transactions of illegal goods. felicissma  Armada, is an organization of pirates, who once also helped the authorities on the sea against Qunari in the past. You separates several areas of excellence, of what they do, but they complement each other. Isabela is simply a pirate, but that doesn't mean they are not because they are working in several areas, their activity is also based on the sea, although this is not the only one. Besides, Kirkwall also requires the help of some pirates against the interests of Amaranthine.

A light armor can offer the dexterity and mobility, and protection, even for a dualist. This outfit brings nothing, it's even worse than a normal and civilian outfit. We could say that nudity, or very close, half nudity is valuable, because it's all about dexterity while we are at it.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 décembre 2011 - 03:03 .

[Sylvianus]

An arrow is enough to kill Isabella .... And there are many archers in Dragon Age lol.

the garment is just an old worn fabric, able to tear at the slightest pressure.

[Quething]

Haha, false dichotomies and strawmen in a single post. Very nice.

[Plaintiff]

Sylvianus wrote...

For those who are saying they do not see Isabela wearing an armor, she did in DAO, before that revealing outfit in DA2.

So I do not really understand how you can think that.

Pirates can wear light armor, which protect them and allow mobility at the same time.

The outfit of Isabela, is pathetic in combat. Vulnerable to anything and everything. And yes, Isabela wearing armor is totally in her personality. Or then, bioware has no coherence between two episodes about the characters.

Isabela also had paler skin, a totally different hair colour and style and a different voice in DA:O.

Her look in Origins is totally irrelevent. It was utterly generic, entirely the result of a lack of options and can't possibly be considered canon.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 08 décembre 2011 - 11:27 .

[tmp7704]

Plaintiff wrote...

Isabela also had paler skin, a totally different hair colour and style and a different voice in DA:O.

Her look in Origins is totally irrelevent. It was utterly generic, entirely the result of a lack of options and can't possibly be considered canon.

She was given "the darkest skin tone available" and dark brown hair, i.e. hardly different. Her face morph was created specifically by the person who wrote her dialogue, so unless you suggest her creator put no thought in that process, the argument of her being "utterly generic" is bonkers.

And there's number of other, far more revealing outfits in DAO (her DA2 appearance is actually a tweak of one of them) she could've been wearing instead, so the "lack of options" isn't exactly a working excuse, either.

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:19 .

[tmp7704]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

where i dont dissagree that pirates can wear light armor, but as far i know i havent seen pirates wear any armor, even in PotC(even though i havent seen any of them) unless its under the clothes, so if there is some who do, show me a reference to which pirates actually wear armor

This is "Robe of the Notorious Pirate" in DA2.

Suspect no one would mind if Isabela was dressed in this manner, and the whole controversy wouldn't arise in the first place, if she did.

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 décembre 2011 - 12:26 .

[Plaintiff]

tmp7704 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Isabela also had paler skin, a totally different hair colour and style and a different voice in DA:O.

Her look in Origins is totally irrelevent. It was utterly generic, entirely the result of a lack of options and can't possibly be considered canon.

She was given "the darkest skin tone available" and dark brown hair, i.e. hardly different. Her face morph was created specifically by the person who wrote her dialogue, so unless you suggest her creator put no thought in that process, the argument of her being "utterly generic" is bonkers.

I'm sure it took them a very long time to choose just one of the eight options provided for each physical feature.

And there's number of other, far more revealing outfits in DAO (her DA2 appearance is actually a tweak of one of them) she could've been wearing instead, so the "lack of options" isn't exactly a working excuse, either.

I'm playing Origins right now and have yet to see this extremely similar armor that's supposedly available, and I've gone through DA2 roughly six times, so you'd think it would stand out from the four basically identical main armor designs in Origins.

Nevertheless, if such an outfit exists, it's not what Isabela wears in Origins. She wears extremely generic leather armor that you can pick up anywhere.

I'm not against Isabela covering up more. I don't really feel she needs to, I don't much care either way. But to say she was "_______________" in Origins is hardly an argument, character designs in Origins were extremely limited. They were just doing the best with the small amount of tools at their disposal.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 08 décembre 2011 - 01:29 .

[Sylvianus]

Plaintiff wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Isabela also had paler skin, a totally different hair colour and style and a different voice in DA:O.

Her look in Origins is totally irrelevent. It was utterly generic, entirely the result of a lack of options and can't possibly be considered canon.

She was given "the darkest skin tone available" and dark brown hair, i.e. hardly different. Her face morph was created specifically by the person who wrote her dialogue, so unless you suggest her creator put no thought in that process, the argument of her being "utterly generic" is bonkers.

I'm sure it took them a very long time to choose just one of the eight options provided for each physical feature.

And there's number of other, far more revealing outfits in DAO (her DA2 appearance is actually a tweak of one of them) she could've been wearing instead, so the "lack of options" isn't exactly a working excuse, either.

I'm playing Origins right now and have yet to see this extremely similar armor that's supposedly available, and I've gone through DA2 roughly six times, so you'd think it would stand out from the four basically identical main armor designs in Origins.

Nevertheless, if such an outfit exists, it's not what Isabela wears in Origins. She wears extremely generic leather armor that you can pick up anywhere.

I'm not against Isabela covering up more. I don't really feel she needs to, I don't much care either way. But to say she was "_______________" in Origins is hardly an argument, character designs in Origins were extremely limited. They were just doing the best with the small amount of tools at their disposal.

1 - Your point is irrelevant, from what he answered to you. And Isabella in DAO have got even a darker skin in DAO. So when you are saying, as usual, that she is utterly generic like it seems everything to you, you look like a moron. Or you are blind, I don't know, or as usual, you exaggerate about dao.

2 - In origins, she wore an armor, saying she couldn't wear an armor, but only outfit is nonsense. And what you are saying is ridiculous about the same armor between two games. Who cares, if her amor is generic in dao ? When you meet her in the inn in dao, that's here that you learn first about her. The point IS that she can wear an armor in DA2, not necessarily the same, nobody said that. * rolling eyes *  It wouldn't be a problem, even if it is light, and not full platemail.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 décembre 2011 - 01:49 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Perhaps we can dispense with the name-calling in order to "discuss" this matter, hmm?

Regardless of what she wore in her 5-minute scne in DA:O, in DA2, Isabela is a much richer character - she's an active member of the party, we get her backstory, etc. And for that, I think the outfit suits her. It's as much a badge of the character as fighting style, or voice, or banter. Same to be said with Varric and his duster (and exposed chest) - the appearance matches the character.

All that aside, in a realm where magically enhanced items and equipment can be bought or found, armor may not hold the same exclusive consideration and importance for battle as it would IRL. Even your armored characters would want enchantments on their gear to protect against cold, fire, etc. Thus, someone in little to no armor may not be without *some* protective resources for battle.

[Mr.House]

Rojahar wrote...

Funny how people are fine with a lot of the armors in Skyrim consisting of little more than straps and a kilt and it's the most bestest perfectest thing ever, but Isabela (who's "battlefield" is typically a tavern) isn't wearing full platemail? Bioware needs to burn for this unforgiveable sin!

Welcome to the bsn.

[Plaintiff]

Sylvianus wrote...
1 - Your point is irrelevant, from what he answered to you. And Isabella in DAO have got even a darker skin in DAO. So when you are saying, as usual, that she is utterly generic like it seems everything to you, you look like a moron. Or you are blind, I don't know, or as usual, you exaggerate about dao.

2 - In origins, she wore an armor, saying she couldn't wear an armor, but only outfit is nonsense. And what you are saying is ridiculous about the same armor between two games. Who cares, if her amor is generic in dao ? When you meet her in the inn in dao, that's here that you learn first about her. The point IS that she can wear an armor in DA2, not necessarily the same, nobody said that. * rolling eyes *  It wouldn't be a problem, even if it is light, and not full platemail.

1. You don't know what the word "irrelevent" means.

2. I never said Isabela couldn't wear armor. Reading comprehension, learn some.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 08 décembre 2011 - 03:32 .

[Fox In The Box]

Plaintiff wrote...


I'm playing Origins right now and have yet to see this extremely similar armor that's supposedly available, and I've gone through DA2 roughly six times, so you'd think it would stand out from the four basically identical main armor designs in Origins.

I suspect he or she is referring to the Chasind robes. While not extremely similar, and being robes instead of armor, they too have a plunging-neckline-no-pants-tall-boots thing going on:




As for the OP, the most important thing for me is that the armor fits the setting and doesn't look silly. Chainmail bikini type armors are generally too over-the-top for me, though I wouldn't mind something like Bethany's armour available for my mage/rogue characters. The DA armors could use some more variety - I had some difficulty finding ones that I liked, and my favorite set in DA2 I had to buy as an item pack.

Modifié par Fox In The Box, 08 décembre 2011 - 03:49 .

[furryrage59]

A vast swwathe of armours, classic and revealing/semi revealing.

That way the player can choose or roleplay depending on what is in the game. That is if they allow us some vague sense of roleplay in the 3rd installment.

[Sylvianus]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 08 décembre 2011 - 08:13 .