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[whykikyouwhy]

I'd like to again interject the suggestion that we stop the name-calling and such, because it's really not conducive to discourse.

[dan107]

You can't paint revealing armor on men and women with the same brush. Using the OP's pictures as an example -- the girl looks sexy, while the guy looks flaming. Trying to pretend that that ain't so for the sake of equality is just stupid.

[jlb524]

Nyoka wrote...
scampermax and I were talking about Isabela the other day and she made a good point: Isabela is too laid back and practical-minded for that outfit. It's a skin-tight outfit, it's got those strange joints by the sides... looks uncomfortable. I think many people in that outfit would have trouble breathing. And her rogue-ish style of jumping around while fighting makes that cleavage frankly ridiculous. Those boobs wouldn't stay in place for 3 seconds once a fight kicks off.

Plus no pants simply makes no sense. That has nothing to do with character. You'll find that very sexually active people wear pants outdoors just like the rest of the people.

Since she's very focused on 1vs1 like a duelist kind of thing, she could wear a practical, comfortable fencing shirt.

Well, yeah...Isabela's outfit was designed for sex appeal since she was the leading female of DA2.  Her dress 'making sense' was of secondary concern (though some are of the opinion that it does make sense for her and that's fine).

Similar to Morrigan in DA:O.  If Morrigan was nothing but a random NPC you met, she'd be wearing the same robes Wynne wears.

[Sylvianus]

Mr.House wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Funny how people are fine with a lot of the armors in Skyrim consisting of little more than straps and a kilt and it's the most bestest perfectest thing ever, but Isabela (who's "battlefield" is typically a tavern) isn't wearing full platemail? Bioware needs to burn for this unforgiveable sin!

Welcome to the bsn.

Skyrim ? You can choose your armor, if it doesn't fit to you, you can change. In dragon age 2 with Isabela and her outfit ? Nada. There are also some armor fine in Skyrim for male and female.  So I don't know what are you complaining about. And like said someone before, strawman arguments; Wearing full platemail or not isn't the issue with this outfit.

[Mr.House]

Sylvianus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Funny how people are fine with a lot of the armors in Skyrim consisting of little more than straps and a kilt and it's the most bestest perfectest thing ever, but Isabela (who's "battlefield" is typically a tavern) isn't wearing full platemail? Bioware needs to burn for this unforgiveable sin!

Welcome to the bsn.

Skyrim ? You can choose your armor, if it doesn't fit to you, you can change. In dragon age 2 with Isabela and her outfit ? Nada. There are also some armor fine in Skyrim for male and female.  So I don't know what are you complaining about. And like said someone before, strawman arguments; Wearing full platemail or not isn't the issue with this outfit.

Isabela is not the PC, also I have seen alot of "armour" in Skyrim that has made me facepalm, Foresworn armour is number one on my list. Half naked people running at you with crappy weapons woohoo. But of course it's Skyrim so it does not matter.

Also Aela, a Companion member, archer and hunteress shows alot of skin in her base armour.

Modifié par Mr.House, 08 décembre 2011 - 07:57 .

[Addai]

Mr.House wrote...
Isabela is not the PC, also I have seen alot of "armour" in Skyrim that has made me facepalm, Foresworn armour is number one on my list. Half naked people running at you with crappy weapons woohoo. But of course it's Skyrim so it does not matter.

Also Aela, a Companion member, archer and hunteress shows alot of skin in her base armour.

If Aela is your follower you can change her armor by giving her something with a better armor rating.  For the record, I and others have done plenty of complaining in the Skyrim thread about this very topic.

I hate skimpy stuff in games and would rather not see it on either men or women.  It's not a freaking peep show.  I don't care what other people do in their games as long as I can change the outfits to suit my own taste, at least those of my PC and followers which I have to look at constantly.

[Zanallen]

Sylvianus wrote...

For those who are saying they do not see Isabela wearing an armor, she did in DAO, before that revealing outfit in DA2.

So I do not really understand how you can think that.

Pirates can wear light armor, which protect them and allow mobility at the same time.

The outfit of Isabela, is pathetic in combat. Vulnerable to anything and everything. And yes, Isabela wearing armor is totally in her personality. Or then, bioware has no coherence between two episodes about the characters.

Lol, the armor she was wearing in DAO protected almost nothing. Her head, neck, upper torso, arms and legs were all exposed.

[tmp7704]

Fox In The Box wrote...

I suspect he or she is referring to the Chasind robes. While not extremely similar, and being robes instead of armor, they too have a plunging-neckline-no-pants-tall-boots thing going on:

Correct. If you take away the shoulder piece the basic form is similar to the point where you can consider Isabela's "iconic outfit" a reskin with some details added. Even the silly collar is still there.

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 décembre 2011 - 08:39 .

[tmp7704]

Zanallen wrote...

Lol, the armor she was wearing in DAO protected almost nothing. Her head, neck, upper torso, arms and legs were all exposed.

Nevertheless it's the armour no different from one worn by other light armour wearers in DAO. (the exposed chest is the difference between models across the board and yes, it was complained about)

[Killjoy Cutter]

The solution is to have all armor designed to be and appear functional, and not sexy or kewl or edgey.

[Aaleel]

tmp7704 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Lol, the armor she was wearing in DAO protected almost nothing. Her head, neck, upper torso, arms and legs were all exposed.

Nevertheless it's the armour no different from one worn by other light armour wearers in DAO. (the exposed chest is the difference between models across the board and yes, it was complained about)

This is why it didn't really stand out to me.  Yes the armor lacked in protection, and the dalish light armor was worse because the midriff was showing.  But Isabella still wore the same light armor as anyone else.

Isabella in DA2 pretty much had a cotton top on with slits up both sides, and laces on the front an sides.  Her butt was pretty showing.  Then it was like at the last minute they said she may need more protection so they gave her metal plates on her elbows and ONE shoulder, the other one is bare.

I'm not really for eye candy armor on female warriors.

Modifié par Aaleel, 08 décembre 2011 - 08:48 .

[Zanallen]

tmp7704 wrote...

This is "Robe of the Notorious Pirate" in DA2.

Suspect no one would mind if Isabela was dressed in this manner, and the whole controversy wouldn't arise in the first place, if she did.

Except that pirate outfit isn't any more protective than Isabela's outfit. It is a shirt, pants and a thin leather vest. The only difference is that it is less revealing. If the controversy would have never arised, then it was never about her wearing armor to begin with and was instead about her wearing a "sexy outfit".

[tmp7704]

Zanallen wrote...

Except that pirate outfit isn't any more protective than Isabela's outfit. It is a shirt, pants and a thin leather vest.

Pants provide more protection than lack of pants. "Thin leather vest" may very well be a brigandine. In other word, "no".

If the controversy would have never arised, then it was never about her wearing armor to begin with and was instead about her wearing a "sexy outfit".

"do you think revealing male / female armor / clothes are a good idea"?

Of course it is about her wearing a "sexy outfit". That's just simply another way to call the same issue.

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 décembre 2011 - 09:13 .

[Zanallen]

tmp7704 wrote...

Pants provide more protection than lack of pants. "Thin leather vest" may very well be a brigandine. In other word, "no".

Except that you can obviously see that it isn't a brigandine. There is nothing sewn or riveted to that vest. It is thin leather with a bit of embroidery. Pants will protect you from certain everyday things like sharp grass or splashing oil or whatever. However, Isabela's boots/tunic combo already covers most of what pants would cover. Pants won't protect against swords, arrows, flames, lightning bolts, etc.

"do you think revealing male / female armor / clothes are a good idea"?

Of course it is about her wearing a "sexy outfit". That's just simply another way to call the same issue.

I was more referring to the Isabela controvery as a whole.

Modifié par Zanallen, 08 décembre 2011 - 09:19 .

[Mr.House]

Addai67 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
Isabela is not the PC, also I have seen alot of "armour" in Skyrim that has made me facepalm, Foresworn armour is number one on my list. Half naked people running at you with crappy weapons woohoo. But of course it's Skyrim so it does not matter.

Also Aela, a Companion member, archer and hunteress shows alot of skin in her base armour.

If Aela is your follower you can change her armor by giving her something with a better armor rating.  For the record, I and others have done plenty of complaining in the Skyrim thread about this very topic.

I hate skimpy stuff in games and would rather not see it on either men or women.  It's not a freaking peep show.  I don't care what other people do in their games as long as I can change the outfits to suit my own taste, at least those of my PC and followers which I have to look at constantly.

That's not the point. The point is Aela's base still shows alot of skin, no diffrent then Izzy. Even if you could change her look people will still complain, just like they did with Morrigan.

[Sylvianus]

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Funny how people are fine with a lot of the armors in Skyrim consisting of little more than straps and a kilt and it's the most bestest perfectest thing ever, but Isabela (who's "battlefield" is typically a tavern) isn't wearing full platemail? Bioware needs to burn for this unforgiveable sin!

Welcome to the bsn.

Skyrim ? You can choose your armor, if it doesn't fit to you, you can change. In dragon age 2 with Isabela and her outfit ? Nada. There are also some armor fine in Skyrim for male and female.  So I don't know what are you complaining about. And like said someone before, strawman arguments; Wearing full platemail or not isn't the issue with this outfit.

Isabela is not the PC, also I have seen alot of "armour" in Skyrim that has made me facepalm, Foresworn armour is number one on my list. Half naked people running at you with crappy weapons woohoo. But of course it's Skyrim so it does not matter.

Also Aela, a Companion member, archer and hunteress shows alot of skin in her base armour.

But did you play Skyrim before complaining ? You can change your armor and those of your companions. So, yes, from there, it doesn't matter if you can find something else that you prefer. The same in DAO for you and your companions.

Nobody is saying to you,they couldn't wear something else.

In Skyrim the lightest armor are those of bandits, wild Folmer, the poor character, the stormcloaks , which are not better off to be properly clothed and protected, this is part of the lore. The armor are fine otherwise.

Aela is a lonely soul, a werewolf. She does not need an armor. But if it bothers you ... change her armor. So, I don't really see the problem. Or then, you really hope that all the armour will please you, some won't be revealing armor ?

And I am playing right now a female warrior redguard, and so far, I am pleased with what I found.

In any case,  The problem for me isn't that Isabela wear an outfit, or something sexy, it's that it is her casual combat outfit and that's ridiculous in my eyes.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 décembre 2011 - 09:33 .

[Sylvianus]

Zanallen wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

For those who are saying they do not see Isabela wearing an armor, she did in DAO, before that revealing outfit in DA2.

So I do not really understand how you can think that.

Pirates can wear light armor, which protect them and allow mobility at the same time.

The outfit of Isabela, is pathetic in combat. Vulnerable to anything and everything. And yes, Isabela wearing armor is totally in her personality. Or then, bioware has no coherence between two episodes about the characters.

Lol, the armor she was wearing in DAO protected almost nothing. Her head, neck, upper torso, arms and legs were all exposed.

Lol, are you saying, her armor protected nothing ? I disagree.

[tmp7704]

Zanallen wrote...

Except that you can obviously see that it isn't a brigandine. There is nothing sewn or riveted to that vest. It is thin leather with a bit of embroidery.

You can see the stitches on the texture. Whether these are just to hold pieces together or for something more, and whether there's more than one layer to that vest is open to interpretation.

Even in situation where it is "just" a "thin vest", are you honestly arguing that at least three layers of clothing which include boiled leather really offer identical protection to a single bodice? Because that's either absurd or a mad hyperbole just to not concede the point.

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 décembre 2011 - 09:30 .

[Zanallen]

Sylvianus wrote...

Lol, are you saying, her armor protected nothing ? I disagree.

I'm saying it doesn't protect exactly the portions that I mentioned in my post. Head, neck, upper torso, arms and legs. You said that a single arrow could kill DA2 Isabela. That same arrow could kill DAO Isabela with only slightly more difficulty. Most, if not all, of the light armors in DAO offered very little in the way of actual protection.

[tmp7704]

Zanallen wrote...

Most, if not all, of the light armors in DAO offered very little in the way of actual protection.

Most light armours in DAO protected entire body except for the  upper arms and thighs. The studded light armour covered also these areas.

The point of concern could be exposed chest on the female model like mentioned, but "very little" is again, a hyperbole.

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 décembre 2011 - 09:36 .

[Sylvianus]

@ Zanallen

And a light armor does not have the same role as heavy armor. Not everything needs to be protected. It must allow the dexterity with minimal protection. That's the point.

shoulders, wrists, abdomen, chest contained and protected, the throat is not, but it's not what makes this armor ineffective and it's appropriate based on the dexterity.

Isabela could receive an arrow on her butt while jumping and she could die, that would be stupid. She doesn't have any protection,

a simple piece of tissue that can crack under the pressure of her big breasts. She doesn't have even pants.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 décembre 2011 - 09:45 .

[Mr.House]

Sylvianus wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

For those who are saying they do not see Isabela wearing an armor, she did in DAO, before that revealing outfit in DA2.

So I do not really understand how you can think that.

Pirates can wear light armor, which protect them and allow mobility at the same time.

The outfit of Isabela, is pathetic in combat. Vulnerable to anything and everything. And yes, Isabela wearing armor is totally in her personality. Or then, bioware has no coherence between two episodes about the characters.

Lol, the armor she was wearing in DAO protected almost nothing. Her head, neck, upper torso, arms and legs were all exposed.

Lol, are you saying, her armor protected nothing ? I disagree.

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-Arms are unprotected
-Alot of her leg is unprotected
-her neck and upper chest is unprotected

[Mr.House]

Sylvianus wrote...

@ Zanallen

And a light armor does not have the same role as heavy armor. Not everything needs to be protected. It must allow the dexterity with minimal protection. That's the point.

shoulders, wrists, abdomen, chest contained and protected, the throat is not, but it's not what makes this armor ineffective and it's appropriate based on the dexterity.

Isabela could receive an arrow on her butt while jumping and she could die, that would be stupid. She doesn't have any protection,

a simple piece of tissue that can crack under the pressure of her big breasts. She doesn't have even pants.

She also didn't have pants in DAO.

[Aaleel]

This is the problem I have with the light armor in Origins. Male character, pretty much full protection all around. Female character doesn't get the same. At least make it the same. But this light armor is definitely not "very little" in the protection department.

[Sylvianus]

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

@ Zanallen

And a light armor does not have the same role as heavy armor. Not everything needs to be protected. It must allow the dexterity with minimal protection. That's the point.

shoulders, wrists, abdomen, chest contained and protected, the throat is not, but it's not what makes this armor ineffective and it's appropriate based on the dexterity.

Isabela could receive an arrow on her butt while jumping and she could die, that would be stupid. She doesn't have any protection,

a simple piece of tissue that can crack under the pressure of her big breasts. She doesn't have even pants.

She also didn't have pants in DAO.

She does not need pants if she wears leggings and her ass is protected by her armor, thanks.

Isabella wears a garment that is flying when she is jumping, and everything is exposed.