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[Mr.House]

Sylvianus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

@ Zanallen

And a light armor does not have the same role as heavy armor. Not everything needs to be protected. It must allow the dexterity with minimal protection. That's the point.

shoulders, wrists, abdomen, chest contained and protected, the throat is not, but it's not what makes this armor ineffective and it's appropriate based on the dexterity.

Isabela could receive an arrow on her butt while jumping and she could die, that would be stupid. She doesn't have any protection,

a simple piece of tissue that can crack under the pressure of her big breasts. She doesn't have even pants.

She also didn't have pants in DAO.

She does not need pants if she wears leggings and her ass is protected by her armor, thanks.

Isabella wears a garment that is flying when she is jumping, and everything is exposed.

It's called fantasy.

[Zanallen]

tmp7704 wrote...

Most light armours in DAO protected entire body except for the  upper arms and thighs. The studded light armour covered also these areas.

The point of concern could be exposed chest on the female model like mentioned, but "very little" is again, a hyperbole.

Hyperbole? No. Let's go over the vital parts left uncovered by that particular armor: Neck, including the carotid artery, the upper torso with the ascending and descending aorta and a good angle on the heart and lungs, upper arms and the brachial artery and the thighs with the femoral artery. The only armor worse than that is the female Dalish armor which doesn't even protect the guts. The studded leather set is better, sure. But it still leaves the upper arms and thighs exposed and the neck.

And no, at absolute best the light armors in DAO were split 50/50 between the ones that exposed the upper torso and those that didn't.

[Sylvianus]

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

@ Zanallen

And a light armor does not have the same role as heavy armor. Not everything needs to be protected. It must allow the dexterity with minimal protection. That's the point.

shoulders, wrists, abdomen, chest contained and protected, the throat is not, but it's not what makes this armor ineffective and it's appropriate based on the dexterity.

Isabela could receive an arrow on her butt while jumping and she could die, that would be stupid. She doesn't have any protection,

a simple piece of tissue that can crack under the pressure of her big breasts. She doesn't have even pants.

She also didn't have pants in DAO.

She does not need pants if she wears leggings and her ass is protected by her armor, thanks.

Isabella wears a garment that is flying when she is jumping, and everything is exposed.

It's called fantasy.

lol. I don't need to answer, I think.

[Zanallen]

Sylvianus wrote...

She does not need pants if she wears leggings and her ass is protected by her armor, thanks.

Isabella wears a garment that is flying when she is jumping, and everything is exposed.

But the studded leather skirt in Origins also moves while jumping. It consists of leather strips weighed down by metal studs. It will fly up when jumping as well, leaving everything exposed.

[Sylvianus]

Zanallen wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Most light armours in DAO protected entire body except for the  upper arms and thighs. The studded light armour covered also these areas.

The point of concern could be exposed chest on the female model like mentioned, but "very little" is again, a hyperbole.

Hyperbole? No. Let's go over the vital parts left uncovered by that particular armor: Neck, including the carotid artery, the upper torso with the ascending and descending aorta and a good angle on the heart and lungs, upper arms and the brachial artery and the thighs with the femoral artery. The only armor worse than that is the female Dalish armor which doesn't even protect the guts. The studded leather set is better, sure. But it still leaves the upper arms and thighs exposed and the neck.

And no, at absolute best the light armors in DAO were split 50/50 between the ones that exposed the upper torso and those that didn't.

Yes, hyperbole. Sorry. Neck,carotide, if you are hit in these parts, without a big heavy armor, no matter what you wear, throat and the carotid artery, if they are beaten, you are dead. Should be avoided, than trying to resist, it's an advise. So It desserves no purpose.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 décembre 2011 - 10:09 .

[Zanallen]

Sylvianus wrote...

Yes, hyperbole. Sorry. Neck,carotide, if you are hit in these parts, without a big heavy armor, no matter what you wear, throat and the carotid artery, if they are beaten, you are dead. Should be avoided, than trying to resist, it's an advise. So It desserves no purpose.

And heart, lungs, aorta, femoral and brachial arteries?

[Sunnie]

Oh for crying out loud.. the female armor was never designed to protect anything, it was designed to create erections, thats it. Now shush up! Geeze!

[Mr.House]

Sunnie22 wrote...

Oh for crying out loud.. the female armor was never designed to protect anything, it was designed to create erections, thats it. Now shush up! Geeze!

:lol:

[Sylvianus]

Zanallen wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

She does not need pants if she wears leggings and her ass is protected by her armor, thanks.

Isabella wears a garment that is flying when she is jumping, and everything is exposed.

But the studded leather skirt in Origins also moves while jumping. It consists of leather strips weighed down by metal studs. It will fly up when jumping as well, leaving everything exposed.

I disagree. It can not fly like that in my opinion, it's not a rag. 

[Sylvianus]

Zanallen wrote...
And heart, lungs, aorta, femoral and brachial arteries?

What's your point ? That a light armor, is as valuable as what she wears ? 

Modifié par Sylvianus, 08 décembre 2011 - 10:21 .

[tmp7704]

Zanallen wrote...

And no, at absolute best the light armors in DAO were split 50/50 between the ones that exposed the upper torso and those that didn't.

this is what all variants of the (male) light armour in DAO looked like.

Please, give me the rough percentage of covered area for each, then explain how that amounts to "very little" in your view. As well as which of them, specifically, expose the upper torso.

(although, tbh, Sunnie22's answer was the /thread 

Modifié par tmp7704, 08 décembre 2011 - 10:27 .

[Addai]

Sylvianus wrote...
But did you play Skyrim before complaining ? You can change your armor and those of your companions. So, yes, from there, it doesn't matter if you can find something else that you prefer. The same in DAO for you and your companions.

Not sure what you're asking.  I didn't see the armor designs before the game's release.

It's kind of a shame in that certain unique armors like the Ancient Nord Armor are reasonable in the male model, and are merest strips of cloth in the female model.  It doesn't seem like the female Dovahkiin should have to look like a stripper while the male looks like he actually might fight in it.

I also don't see why in a country that's freezing cold, it makes any sense for the native armors to be bikinis and thongs. 

In any case,  The problem for me isn't that Isabela wear an outfit, or something sexy, it's that it is her casual combat outfit and that's ridiculous in my eyes.

I hate Isabela's outfit.  I find it sloppy, besides being crass and impractical.  However I don't see why you'd object to that any more than the "barbarian" armors in Skyrim.  People say the same thing about Isabela that you're saying about Aela- she's a free spirit, a rogue, doesn't need armor, etc.  Of course I agree that at least for your followers, you can change the armor in Skyrim so it's not so much an issue.

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

The point of an armor is to protect the person who wears it. Revealing outfit is a non sense. But casual sexy clothes to use in non warfare purpose, I have no problems with that. But if you chose to wear those in battle, you should be penalized.

[Sylvianus]

Addai67 wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...
But did you play Skyrim before complaining ? You can change your armor and those of your companions. So, yes, from there, it doesn't matter if you can find something else that you prefer. The same in DAO for you and your companions.

Not sure what you're asking.  I didn't see the armor designs before the game's release.

It's kind of a shame in that certain unique armors like the Ancient Nord Armor are reasonable in the male model, and are merest strips of cloth in the female model.  It doesn't seem like the female Dovahkiin should have to look like a stripper while the male looks like he actually might fight in it.

I also don't see why in a country that's freezing cold, it makes any sense for the native armors to be bikinis and thongs. 

In any case,  The problem for me isn't that Isabela wear an outfit, or something sexy, it's that it is her casual combat outfit and that's ridiculous in my eyes.

I hate Isabela's outfit.  I find it sloppy, besides being crass and impractical.  However I don't see why you'd object to that any more than the "barbarian" armors in Skyrim.  People say the same thing about Isabela that you're saying about Aela- she's a free spirit, a rogue, doesn't need armor, etc.  Of course I agree that at least for your followers, you can change the armor in Skyrim so it's not so much an issue.

Nords don't fear freezing cold, that's in their blood in the lore. We talk about 50 % resistance in the game, because well, it's a game. That would suck to give them 100 %

Now, the outfit of Isabela wouldn't disturb me if I could change that. I don't disagree with those who are saying it suits her.  Yes, it suits her, no problems.  But, That's her casual combat outfit, and I find It absolutely ridiculous, so yes it disturbs me when i am forced to be with that with my companions. If a companion would wear something like Isabela in Skyrim, and forced to have this outfit, I wouldn't choose her. Also, I disagree with the thought that Isabela couldn't wear an armor, I don't know from what, someone could say that.

I don't know If you read this topic, but I have also nothing against revealing armor.

Light armor does not need to be full plate mail. I never said that, and those who are saying that, it is their opinion. The role of light armor is a minimum of protection to preserve the strength attack of the fighter. That's not its role to protect the man perfectly like an heavy armor.

Shoulders, wrists, stomach, knees or legs must be protected. But not necessarily the whole body.

What wears Isabela, is just an outfit, witout anything, ridiculous because it is an abuse, too much, not because it reveals some things.

Gladiators and barbarians, whether male or Female wore armor , that were not full plate mail in the past. So I am not among those who are saying that revealing armor are ridiculous.

My position is pragmatic. I do not care what Bioware or another company does with all its outfits and armors, If I can choose a pratical armor, not necessairly full platemail. I do not ask Bioware to remove this kind of armor, and I am not so naive to think that they will disappear. So, Why be mad I ask myself? It's there It desserves no purpose to be upset to each game for some stuff I could avoid.  I simply ask a  choice to find what I like and I do not worry about the poor stuff in the game.

In Skyrim, when I see an armor that is ridiculous,, I don't bother to take it, and move on. I won't complain that some armor don't fit me, are ridiculous, I've never seen a game where all the armour were fine. In what game didn't you see revealing armor for female ?  If I find a stuff that I like and I find credible,I don't see the point to complain about that. And it will be the same for all the games. If there is no revealing armor, no problem either.

Now, yes there are some armor in Skyrim which are ridiculous, but there which are great.  The same in DAO. And If in mass effect, there are revealing outfit, I don't care, If it allow me to have pratical armor. That isn't a point, I see as important at this level.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 09 décembre 2011 - 12:16 .

[Maria Caliban]

Addai67 wrote...

I also don't see why in a country that's freezing cold, it makes any sense for the native armors to be bikinis and thongs. 

The human races of the Elder Scrolls have inherent magical abilities. Walking around half-naked in the freezing cold is no more distressful to Nords than swimming underwater is a problem for Argonians or walking around at night bothers Khajait because the Nords have a magical resistance to cold.

[Addai]

People still talk about it being cold and beggars still huddle near fires at night. So the resistance is obviously a resistance against extremes. Still makes no sense that you'd wear a couple strips of fur into battle.

[Tezzajh]

sexy armour is tatical, it makes the fighter more maneuverable, guards the most obvious areas from slash attacks and puts the enemy off when fighting. plus it would be a choice if you equip that kind of armour,

[shephawke]

like i said i am female and i really wouldnt care that much seeing i only play as mages

[mousestalker]

If you want to introduce reality into this discussion, the most important pieces of armour are those that protect the chest and belly. Every ancient, classical and medieval armour set you see protects those parts, with the exception of gladiatorial armour.

Gladiators wore armour that protected limbs because their owners did not want cripples. They wanted their property either alive and whole or dead. A gladiator missing an arm was fairly useless. In the gladiator revolts (Spartacus et al), one of the first things the slaves did was re-equip as best they could into military armour.

You may resume discussing fur bikinis and mail by Victoria's Secret.

[Zanallen]

tmp7704 wrote...

this is what all variants of the (male) light armour in DAO looked like.

Please, give me the rough percentage of covered area for each, then explain how that amounts to "very little" in your view. As well as which of them, specifically, expose the upper torso.

(although, tbh, Sunnie22's answer was the /thread 

The male light armor did fine is providing adequate protection of the upper torso. The female armor had the 50/50 split. Since we were talking about Isabela, we are obviously talking about the female armor.

Edit: And even then 3/4th of those armor suits don't cover the upper arms and legs. They are probably 25% exposed. Unfortunately, a good hit to those exposed areas will cause them to bleed out and die. Or maybe even lose a limb. A good hit to the upper torso in the exposed female armor will simply kill you.

Modifié par Zanallen, 09 décembre 2011 - 01:48 .

[CuriousArtemis]

OMG the people on the first page look like characters on some mystical Love Planet in are Star Trek episode LOL

I already hate the fact that female characters in DA run like COMPLETE GIRLS (you know what I'm talking about), so to have them dress like hookers would be beyond insulting. Please, DA, watch some women's soccer or something or hell, watch female marines or soldiers, and wow, notice that they don't prance and sashay their hips when they walk or run...

I don't want sexy armor for guys or girls. I like how in the love scenes we get to see them half-dressed or undressed. That's enough. Maybe you get to choose your character's casual wear when s/he is at home. That's compromise, right?

[RPGamer13]

I'd be ecstatic if there were some armor options like in Guild Wars for the next Dragon Age.

What I'd also like to see, is the ability to get the clothing of a love interest, when the alert popped up about obtaining Isabela... whatever the actual thing said, and I thought "cool, i can now equip Hawke with Isabela's outfit!

Another way to deal with is this: in addition to your armor, option of equipping clothing is separate slots for the same parts of the body and have that show while you still get the benefits of the armor you equipped.

That would be completely optional and a good way to get some sexy clothing for the female main character should the player choose to take advantage of it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Mr.House wrote...

It's called fantasy.

It's not that kind of fantasy. 

[Orian Tabris]

I think that male clothes/armour, should never be revealing unless 1. it suits that character (i.e. an inappropriate character similar to Zevran - though not him, more like Serendipity) 2. it's some sort of berzerker armour, where the wearer cares little for the damage they receive, should be completely bare chested, if at all (this goes for women too, but with appropriate coverage nonetheless).

With females, again, it depends on the character and their background. Rogue/light armour should have the legs, stomach and from the chest (not the parts that should be covered) to the neck, bare because you don't want to get too stuffy zipping across the battle field. Medium armour should have a bare collar, if not, covered up by a thin material. Heavy armour, the torso should be distinct, but otherwise covered. Only sometimes, should it be open chest. As for Massive armour, not so distinct torso, but noticably different from the men's (Origin's massive armour was absolutely wrong).

Clothes for females, would depend on the style or intended occasion. At most, chest/legs open, at least, cover even the neck up (Merrill's romance armour is an excellent example of why you'd cover the neck). Mage clothes shouldn't be restricted to being completely closed, but open chest would be the limit.

Arm coverage is dependant on the apparel itself. But the most protective of armour should never be open arm.

[DreamwareStudio]

Keep it real. Real will add to a game's immersion. When I see a person (male or female) wielding a sword long as they are tall as if that thing was a stick, I lose that immersion. Same thing happens when I see warriors battling with little to no armor. Of course, it also depends on the type of warrior. A Spartan warrior would not wear the same thing as a knight nor would I expect someone of slight build capable of carrying heavy plate.

I cannot yet speak for DA 2, but I have no problem with DA:O's armor thus far (pretty early in).  Morrigan's ensemble is sexy and it fits her character.  Likewise, leather armor fits Leliana.

Modifié par google_calasade, 10 décembre 2011 - 07:08 .