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Xilizhra wrote...
If no one sold out, the Beatles would forever have been an obscure group that ate chicken onstage.
More to the point, I don't think this really damages the story.
Modifié par Eustacia, 26 novembre 2011 - 03:17 .
Wouldn't the last game be a remarkably odd time for them to not be?be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
Not really. As long as what they're doing makes sense and is written well.Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't the last game be a remarkably odd time for them to not be?be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
Guest_Cthulhu42_*
I've tried to point this out on numerous occasions. The response is typically something along the lines of "They've had enough screentime; they should shove over for someone else".Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't the last game be a remarkably odd time for them to not be?be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
True but she still has exterior media, the best DLC and the most plot relevence. On top of that, she cant die in ME1/2.jeweledleah wrote...
Liara cannot be freshly romanced in ME2, can only have continuation with a DLC and while she does get some content in ME2, she's not a full squadmate there. plus there were plenty of people complaining about Liara. from the top of my head - that huge "Liara's lack of death" thread comes to mind. but there were others.
be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
iOnlySignIn wrote...
So you haven't heard the theory that the entire Mass Effect saga revolves around Tali and Talimance. Lucky you.
Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't the last game be a remarkably odd time for them to not be?be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
Quole wrote...
True but she still has exterior media, the best DLC and the most plot relevence. On top of that, she cant die in ME1/2.jeweledleah wrote...
Liara cannot be freshly romanced in ME2, can only have continuation with a DLC and while she does get some content in ME2, she's not a full squadmate there. plus there were plenty of people complaining about Liara. from the top of my head - that huge "Liara's lack of death" thread comes to mind. but there were others.
be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
The trouble is that ME2's squad was too big as it was, and Bioware wanted more in-depth character interaction, so people would have to be cut. Everyone would want their favorite characters on the list of more in-depth interactions, but such was never possible.Cthulhu42 wrote...
I've tried to point this out on numerous occasions. The response is typically something along the lines of "They've had enough screentime; they should shove over for someone else".Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't the last game be a remarkably odd time for them to not be?be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
jeweledleah wrote...
be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
Guest_Cthulhu42_*
That's another thing I've tried to point out. The typical response to that is "You like Tali,Garrus, and Liara, of course you would say that".Xilizhra wrote...
The trouble is that ME2's squad was too big as it was, and Bioware wanted more in-depth character interaction, so people would have to be cut. Everyone would want their favorite characters on the list of more in-depth interactions, but such was never possible.Cthulhu42 wrote...
I've tried to point this out on numerous occasions. The response is typically something along the lines of "They've had enough screentime; they should shove over for someone else".Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't the last game be a remarkably odd time for them to not be?be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
Really? Where? No one is talking about Liara. Its almost completely Tali and somewhat Garrus. There have been a FEW threads in the past dedicated to that but far less than what wee are seeing now.. even though this is the same basic circumstance.jeweledleah wrote...
Quole wrote...
True but she still has exterior media, the best DLC and the most plot relevence. On top of that, she cant die in ME1/2.jeweledleah wrote...
Liara cannot be freshly romanced in ME2, can only have continuation with a DLC and while she does get some content in ME2, she's not a full squadmate there. plus there were plenty of people complaining about Liara. from the top of my head - that huge "Liara's lack of death" thread comes to mind. but there were others.
be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
you said people are not complaining.
and I'm telling you that you're wrong. becasue they are.
as for the reason for Tali and Garrus not to be squadmates. don't they deserve to get out from Shepard's shadow and actualy, you know show what they are really capable of. Tali gets a little bit of an opportunity for that, but Garrus? so much potential, all of it squandered to make him into Tonto to Shepard's Lone ranger.
Modifié par Quole, 26 novembre 2011 - 03:28 .
Cthulhu42 wrote...
I've tried to point this out on numerous occasions. The response is typically something along the lines of "They've had enough screentime; they should shove over for someone else".
Exactly. The best they can do is make sure they write the parts where the squadmates do appear extremely well and make sure it's something they would be doing. I never thought for a moment that Mordin would be a squadmate, and I'm glad since there are other squadmates who fit the combat zone more than Mordin does. I still loved the part he had in the demo I saw though I'd still like it if he was a temporary squadmate.Xilizhra wrote...
The trouble is that ME2's squad was too big as it was, and Bioware wanted more in-depth character interaction, so people would have to be cut. Everyone would want their favorite characters on the list of more in-depth interactions, but such was never possible.Cthulhu42 wrote...
I've tried to point this out on numerous occasions. The response is typically something along the lines of "They've had enough screentime; they should shove over for someone else".Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't the last game be a remarkably odd time for them to not be?be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
Because of course you would. It wouldn't be weird as long as they were put into roles that are well-written and fitting of their characters.Cthulhu42 wrote...
That's another thing I've tried to point out. The typical response to that is "You like Tali,Garrus, and Liara, of course you would say that".Xilizhra wrote...
The trouble is that ME2's squad was too big as it was, and Bioware wanted more in-depth character interaction, so people would have to be cut. Everyone would want their favorite characters on the list of more in-depth interactions, but such was never possible.Cthulhu42 wrote...
I've tried to point this out on numerous occasions. The response is typically something along the lines of "They've had enough screentime; they should shove over for someone else".Xilizhra wrote...
Wouldn't the last game be a remarkably odd time for them to not be?be as it may - Garrus and Tali are the only characters that are full squadmates in all 3 parts of the trilogy.
Cthulhu42 wrote...
Keep in mind that if they didn't listen to fan's input we'd all still be driving the Mako. Which is a frightening thought, indeed.iOnlySignIn wrote...
But this *is* a kind of hideous violation of artistic integrity.Xilizhra wrote...
So, let me get this straight.
Bioware wants people to like their game.
Bioware makes a decision to bring in a character that many people like, so that they'll like the game more.
Other people this is some kind of hideous violation of artistic integrity.
I honestly don't get this.
More commonly known as "selling out".
Quole wrote...
Really? Where? No one is talking about Liara. Its almost completely Tali and somewhat Garrus. There have been a FEW threads in the past dedicated to that but far less than what wee are seeing now.. even though this is the same basic circumstance.
Very few people complain about that. And yes, a decent amount of people do read the comics (most likely Liara fans amazingly enough). And no for as long as Tali and Garrus have been confirmed people have complained nonstop. Liara not so much. Even after 2 years there hasnt been that much complaining about Liara. Your stupidity is astounding.jeweledleah wrote...
Quole wrote...
Really? Where? No one is talking about Liara. Its almost completely Tali and somewhat Garrus. There have been a FEW threads in the past dedicated to that but far less than what wee are seeing now.. even though this is the same basic circumstance.
because just becasue current complains tend to slant towards Tali and Garrus due to the very recent announcement = no one is complaining about Liara? and outside media, which only fraction of the fans ever see (and that includes DLC purchases, most people don't actualy buy them or post on these forums) is the same as being squadmates for all three games?
/facepalm
and the thing is - if this didn't affect handling of other characters if it didn't come together with severe sidelining of the ME2 squadmates? people woudln't complain nearly as much.
Modifié par Quole, 26 novembre 2011 - 03:40 .
I just tell it like it is.jeweledleah wrote...
aaah, Quole. at least you are consistent.
I like how some people relate 'I dislike that my character's getting less screentime due to Bioware paying more attention to the Tali fanbase' to 'I want Tali dead and gone.'Ariadnee wrote...
Meh...haters gonna hate. If you hate Tali so much, then kill her off in the SM, rather than p*ssing & moaning about her on the forums. Then again, what do I know? I'm a Garrusmancer, so I have nothing to complain about
Ariadnee wrote...
Meh...haters gonna hate. If you hate Tali so much, then kill her off in the SM, rather than p*ssing & moaning about her on the forums. Then again, what do I know? I'm a Garrusmancer, so I have nothing to complain about
Modifié par Ticktank, 26 novembre 2011 - 03:44 .
Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
ROFL, okay. Now this is pretty sad.
Bringing back Tali as a perma-squadmate makes sense on several levels: (1) bring back someone Shepard can trust; (2) as leverage in any negotiations with Quarians; (3) tech-combat ace in the squad.
But if they really did this simply in response to the forum nerdrage, despite having had an outside role cut-out for her beforehand, that's quite pathetic.
Up to now I've been quite pleased by the general direction, still am overall, but this disappoints me. I was glad when I saw the script since I thought they were carrying out the story their way and not worrying about appeasing every individual fanbase at its expense. But apparently that wasn't true.
Minus renegade points for Bioware.
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