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[someone else]

seirhart wrote...

rockman0 wrote...

I think that whoever created the Reapers will show up. I know, it sounds kind of corny, but I think it'd be awesome.

Personally I'm hoping for this right here. I really like the idea of the super ancient race more ancient than the reapers who created them in the beginning shows back up to help us out.

On a side note I think that the reapers just need a hug, cause they don't feel loved.

...and i think the reaper precursors self-assembled at the quantum level almost as soon as the universe cooled enough to allow particle formation,  so no, the reapers do not have "creators"  Sovvy was telling like it is.  Reaper life forms are ubiquitous throughout dark space across the entire universe, and while all may not be genocidal maniacs  are truly the only life form that can claim to be a totally integral part of creation - and no, I am not indoctrinated -

[BlueMagitek]

We have an advantage that (presumably) other species didn't have; forewarning. We have the corpse of a Reaper which we've had time to study.

But for us to deliver a deathblow to the Reapers as a whole, we'd need one massive AOE blast; our best chance would probably to detonate both a Mass Relay and a nearby Star, catching the Reapers in the middle of the blast.

[Chun Hei]

Shepard uses his incredible charisma to establish a Reaper fifth column with a handful of Reapers who feel guilty about being killer robot spaceships.

[Harmless Citizen]

Except how would that work? The reapers have already arrived on multiple fronts.

[someone else]

BlueMagitek wrote...
We have an advantage that (presumably) other species didn't have; forewarning.

and the trailer vids show how really helpful that was

We have the corpse of a Reaper which we've had time to study.

All we got out of it was IFF, a few sketchy logs. and reaperized crew of husks before it got eaten by a Brownie.

But for us to deliver a deathblow to the Reapers as a whole, we'd need one massive AOE blast; our best chance would probably to detonate both a Mass Relay and a nearby Star, catching the Reapers in the middle of the blast.

See post above and below yours - this will not work with an enemy fleet spred across half the galaxy.

Modifié par someone else, 27 novembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[Domanese]

Okay I might as well throw my hat in here and I am completely wild man guessing when it comes to this so I may be completely wrong here.

My idea and probably a realistic one for the setting is linked to what Legion had told us on the "Old Machines" - the Reapers. We are currently using technology the Reapers have effectively given us and is using those facts to obliterate everything that has come before them.

Standing a chance against the Reapers means deviating off their technology hand outs and developing our own upgrades. The geth have already started this process and I suspect that's one of the ways the Reapers can be stopped. Getting new tech advancements the Reapers did not plan on their path.

Theres probably multiple paths to that victory and not all are equal. Hell another pyrrhic victory might be consisting of a powerful EMP in order to short out the Reapers. Their life support systems for their organic parts would fail and kill them. But it could also send the humans far back in technology, removing them from the galatic world.

Again I reiterate that this is simply wild guesses and nothing more. I don't expect to be correct.

Modifié par Domanese, 27 novembre 2011 - 04:50 .

[111987]

It's kind of hard to develop brand new technology right in the middle of war. And you'd literally have to start from scratch since pretty much all tech is based off Mass Effect technology (which is Reaper technology).

[Domanese]

111987 wrote...

It's kind of hard to develop brand new technology right in the middle of war. And you'd literally have to start from scratch since pretty much all tech is based off Mass Effect technology (which is Reaper technology).

Actually from what I recall only the geth have a different set of technology. Or at the very least a different method to obtaining it. That may be a critical point to solving the situation. I don't mean starting completely from scratch but advancing differently then before. The protheians failed to do this as well as countless other species.

Still you make some very good counters to the guess I make.

Now that I think on it, didn't Vigil also say that the citadel was never truly looked at because the Reapers didn't want anyone trying to figure out how it works? And how they made a new species just for the purpose of maintenance of the citadel so no one bothers with it? I think it would be worth a look.

[DoNotIngest]

Give them a rubix cube.

[111987]

Domanese wrote...

111987 wrote...

It's kind of hard to develop brand new technology right in the middle of war. And you'd literally have to start from scratch since pretty much all tech is based off Mass Effect technology (which is Reaper technology).

Actually from what I recall only the geth have a different set of technology. Or at the very least a different method to obtaining it. That may be a critical point to solving the situation. I don't mean starting completely from scratch but advancing differently then before. The protheians failed to do this as well as countless other species.

Still you make some very good counters to the guess I make.

Now that I think on it, didn't Vigil also say that the citadel was never truly looked at because the Reapers didn't want anyone trying to figure out how it works? And how they made a new species just for the purpose of maintenance of the citadel so no one bothers with it? I think it would be worth a look.

Indeed, I think altering their technology could be useful. But starting totally from scratch isn't an option this late.

And yes, there are many secrets the Citadel likely has; the Keepers prevent anyone from accessing the majority of the station.

[someone else]

why, I think you're ~finally~ all on to something - the Keepers are the secret weapon or know the reapers secret weakness - classic mcguffin and kill button all rolled in one.

Modifié par someone else, 27 novembre 2011 - 05:25 .

[Homebound]

no matter what people will cry and whine about the ending because it wasn't the ending they wanted instead of seeing it as the ending Shepard's story needed.

[Mike 9987]

Yell a paradox at them

[DoNotIngest]

Mike 9987 wrote...

Yell

FUS... RO DAH!



*Reapers tumble into core of universe, black hole troll is fed*

[Chuvvy]

They'd need to restructure the franchise. ME2 should have been about building up an army to fight the reapers. And ME3 should have been about fighting the reapers. In stead ME3 is about scrambling to do something. It lends it's self to the drama I suppose, but it deferentially implies we'll get a deus ex machina.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Hopefully it's not a computer virus. I'd probably never be able forgive Bioware for that one.

[Total Biscuit]

111987 wrote...

It's kind of hard to develop brand new technology right in the middle of war. And you'd literally have to start from scratch since pretty much all tech is based off Mass Effect technology (which is Reaper technology).

I know everyone went past this, but it's so enormously wrong I thought I should address it anyway.

War is infact one of the times when the most new, innovative ideas are made reality. It's why the phrase necessity is the mother of invention exists. Wars gave us machine guns, tanks, rockets, Radar, the computer, nuclear weapons and millions of other devices and ideas that changed the course of mankind forever.

With an entire galaxy worth of beings suddenly desperate for their lives, with nothing to lose by throwing all their resources at any bright and/or crazy idea that might help them live, new tech shoul be popping up all over the place.

Modifié par Total Biscuit, 27 novembre 2011 - 09:43 .

[someone else]

Total Biscuit wrote...

War is infact one of the times when the most new, innovative ideas are made reality. It's why the phrase necessity is the mother of invention exists. Wars gave us machine guns, tanks, rockets, Radar, the computer, nuclear weapons and millions of other devices and ideas that changed the course of mankind forever.

..and Spam, which changed the course of lunch meat forever.

(my $$ is still on the Keepers)

Modifié par someone else, 27 novembre 2011 - 11:02 .

[Aurora313]

We need giant bio organic human-shaped mecha piloted by 14 year old, mentally unstable children to hunt down and destroy all the reapers and prevent the third impact... Wait.

lol. Sorry, was just watching Evangelion.

As stupid as this sounds, I'm actually going to take a que from Eva and hypothesis that the 'shell' that houses the Reaper core are not just armor, but also bindings and restraints to keep the entire thing under control of a singular entity.

Soveriegn said 'We are each a nation.'. I don't know about you guys, but if I had millions upon millions of other voices and minds in my head, I wouldn't be able to control myself - at least, not without something to surpress the other voices in my head to a dull whisper. What would I do in that situation? Create a shell, or a device that allows me to maintain my sanity and control, all the while utilising the power of all those individual minds.

Cliche as people may think this sounds, what if the 'Reapers' are actually the shells that house the cores made from the chosen spieces, and that if the core was left on it's own would go on a rampage? Reason it out. When we destroy the 'baby reaper' in the Collector base, it activated and tried to destroy the first thing in it's sight, the platforms that Shepard+crew were on. If didn't care about friendly fire or anything like that, it was purely rampaging and destroying the first thing it registered.

[Someone With Mass]

LegionMan wrote...

My best guess, given the (non-beta leak) information we have available.

Shepard raising the massive fleet to fight the Reapers?  My bet is that it's a distraction, so that the galaxy can harness the power of the Geth 'dyson sphere' to stage a 'hostile' (friendly?) takeover of various Reapers.  Enough to turn the tide.

As someone who's read the leak...

Nope.

That Dyson sphere is far away from being completed.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 27 novembre 2011 - 11:29 .

[Asch Lavigne]

As long as they don't pull the idea from ID4 and we defeat them with a computer virus.

[ZLurps]

I don't know if the Reapers will be totally defeated in ME3 or just pushed back into dark space or something. I could go with that kind of ending for ME3.

If Reapers are defeated in ME3 it might be something to break their ability to communicate with QEC. That might give opportunity to strike against smaller Reaper fleets (if there are such things, for example in the Turian space) with combined fleets of the Citadel races.
Citadel races fleets could be at least partially upgraded using Geth as work force (as they can work 24/7 even in vacuum) have Salarians or some other faction develop better combat algorithms based on EDI (and perhaps Quarians to install them, as well Quarians salvaging and repairing ships) and using all kind of combined efforts to strike back.

Then, I don't know, losses for Citadel races would still be something really awful and actually I don't know... say there are 3 reaper ships and they can one shot with their tentacle beams one cruiser per second... that's 18 cruisers going down very fast. It should take three shots to take down dreadnought, but even then... again disabling QEC communications from Reapers could give some sort of advantage of surprise attacks to citadel fleets but still, I don't know...

BioWare created really fantastic and powerful enemy and it's really interesting to see what happens in ME3. Encountering them in fleet vs. fleet battle doesn't seem to be winnable scenario, but something else must happen to give citadel races any hope for winning.

[111987]

Someone With Mass wrote...

LegionMan wrote...

My best guess, given the (non-beta leak) information we have available.

Shepard raising the massive fleet to fight the Reapers?  My bet is that it's a distraction, so that the galaxy can harness the power of the Geth 'dyson sphere' to stage a 'hostile' (friendly?) takeover of various Reapers.  Enough to turn the tide.

As someone who's read the leak...

*snip*

<_<

PLEASE NO SPOILERS!!!

[111987]

Total Biscuit wrote...

111987 wrote...

It's kind of hard to develop brand new technology right in the middle of war. And you'd literally have to start from scratch since pretty much all tech is based off Mass Effect technology (which is Reaper technology).

I know everyone went past this, but it's so enormously wrong I thought I should address it anyway.

War is infact one of the times when the most new, innovative ideas are made reality. It's why the phrase necessity is the mother of invention exists. Wars gave us machine guns, tanks, rockets, Radar, the computer, nuclear weapons and millions of other devices and ideas that changed the course of mankind forever.

With an entire galaxy worth of beings suddenly desperate for their lives, with nothing to lose by throwing all their resources at any bright and/or crazy idea that might help them live, new tech shoul be popping up all over the place.

I've had this same argument before. And no, nothing you just said applies because all of that stuff was based off existing technology; it's all a part of the same 'path', so to speak. It was all based off of existing technology.

The post I was refuting said we should not use Reaper technology, which means mass effect technology. That means we have to go back to 21st century tech and continue progression from there. That would mean not using space travel, mass accelerators, kinetic barriers, etc...

Hopefully that clears up what I was saying.

[Harmless Citizen]

I'm still betting it will be something involved with dark energy. There's been enough bleating about it that I'd be surprised if it didn't have a significant role.