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[RyanFialcowitz]

For the most part the game runs fine maxed. But after playing for awhile I start to notice slowdown. Conversations & cutscenes start lag and eventually just running around gets laggy. Strangely combat always seems unaffected.

Whilst the game is running it's only using around a single gigabyte of RAM out of four with two still free for use. It is, however, heavly taxing the CPU which is where I believe the problem lies.

On the other hand I understand that the game uses PhysX, which is proprietary to Nvidia. With ATI cards it offloads what the card should be doing onto the CPU, which could also be the problem.

So, my question is this: Which would be more likely to solve my lag issues- a new CPU of a new GPU?

AMD Athlon II X4 620 at 2.60 Ghz
ATI Radeon HD4850 1 gigabye RAM
4 gigabtyes RAM

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

[Gorath Alpha]

https://www.google.c...com memory leak

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[RyanFialcowitz]

Whilst the game is running it's only using around a single gigabyte of RAM out of four with two still free for use.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Were it a memory leak I would expect to have very little or no free RAM. As I'm typing this the game is running and I'm experiencing no slow down outside of the game.

Edit
Forget to mention that I've tried lowering the graphics settings and restricting the game's process from four cores to one core- nothing changes, it is no better and no worse.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Modifié par RyanFialcowitz, 26 novembre 2011 - 09:25 .

[Moondoggie]

Out of curiosity what patch are you using?

What driver version for your GPU?

Looking at your hardware it's pretty good for this game. Your GPU is at that 3 year old model mark where it becomes less usefull to you so you might want to consider something newer though it may not solve your lag issues at all since Origins is notorious for lag issues in certain areas. The newly released patch 1.05 does deal with performence problems with older GPU's though so it might be worth downloading if you have not already.

[RyanFialcowitz]

Moondoggie wrote...

Out of curiosity what patch are you using?

What driver version for your GPU?

Looking at your hardware it's pretty good for this game. Your GPU is at that 3 year old model mark where it becomes less usefull to you so you might want to consider something newer though it may not solve your lag issues at all since Origins is notorious for lag issues in certain areas. The newly released patch 1.05 does deal with performence problems with older GPU's though so it might be worth downloading if you have not already.

I started a new game with the 1.05 patch and THOUGHT it helped. But by the time I had finished Lothering the party camp was lagging. It also seemed like the load times even from the start were longer.

I did some research on the memory leak and no one seems to have a definite solution. Although I did notice the game runs smoothly when first started and is only using about half a gigabyte or so of RAM. When I start to notice the lag the game is using between eight hundred megabytes and one gigabyte. Attempts to find some method or program to limit the game's RAM usage have thus far born no results.

But if anyone has any further ideas I am eager to fix this!

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

[Damric]

Your Athlon II can be overclocked quite a bit if your motherboard supports it. My wife's 620 is running at 3.5GHZ and it helps quite a bit. Once you hit the wall with that, there are plenty of upgrade options for the AM3 CPU socket path.

As far as your GPU, it will depend on what resolution you play at. For full HD and highest detail settings you would want something along the lines of a GTX 460 1GB for PhysX.

I used to run this game at full HD with maximum detail on an overclocked HD 5750 and a Phenom II x4 @4 GHZ, with FPS around 40-55.

Memory is extremely cheap right now, so you might as well pick up a 2x4 GB kit for $30 while you are at it. I get most of my hardware from newegg, of course.

For fast load times, get an SSD.

Modifié par Damric, 27 novembre 2011 - 09:09 .

[Moondoggie]

@Ryan: Out of curiosity what are the usual average FPS numbers you are getting? Your hardware tempretures when playing the game? Especially for your GPU. What i want to do is establish if it has anything at all to do with your GPU or something else. You said you tried different graphics settings and lower resolution and had no joy right?


@Damric: With all due respect throwing more RAM at the problem won't work. The OP has 4GB or RAM which is more than enough. More than that is pointless unless you are a graphic designer or video editor or something where your computer does heavy rendering. While there is a documented problem with memory leak often people overuse the word to describe any problem to do with DAO and with memory leak throwing more RAM at it doesn't solve anything.

[Gorath Alpha]

Moondoggie wrote...

@Damric: With all due respect throwing more RAM at the problem won't work. The OP has 4GB or RAM which is more than enough. More than that is pointless unless you are a graphic designer or video editor or something where your computer does heavy rendering. While there is a documented problem with memory leak often people overuse the word to describe any problem to do with DAO and with memory leak throwing more RAM at it doesn't solve anything.

In my own initial suggestion, I didn't make any distinction between real memory leaks and the described symptoms, because all of it had ended up being referred to as a "leak", in most of the past message threads here, whether it was or was not technically such a leak (and extra RAM would not really solve any of it, I doubt). 

[RyanFialcowitz]

Moondoggie wrote...

@Ryan: Out of curiosity what are the usual average FPS numbers you are getting? Your hardware tempretures when playing the game? Especially for your GPU. What i want to do is establish if it has anything at all to do with your GPU or something else. You said you tried different graphics settings and lower resolution and had no joy right?


@Damric: With all due respect throwing more RAM at the problem won't work. The OP has 4GB or RAM which is more than enough. More than that is pointless unless you are a graphic designer or video editor or something where your computer does heavy rendering. While there is a documented problem with memory leak often people overuse the word to describe any problem to do with DAO and with memory leak throwing more RAM at it doesn't solve anything.

To be fair, it is a little better since the latest patch. Currently without the game running my CPU is around 84 and the GPU is at 104, in Fahrenheit. I will edit or make a new post with in game temperatures & FPS.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

[Damric]

@Moondoggie I suggested getting RAM as an afterthought. I agree it won't help this game, but right now it is so cheap so why not stock up on some while the price is bottomed out? If not more ram, then faster, tighter RAM helps with CPU bottlenecks as well. DDR3-1600 CAS 6 seems to be the sweet spot for AM3 chips such as Ryan's.

For curiosities sake, I fired up the game today to see the performance on my newest rig, a Phenom II x6, dual HD 6850's, 2x4 GB RAM, and Solid State Drive. Total overkill. @1080p with maximum detail settings (including maximum anti-aliasing), I was rock solid 60fps with v-synch enabled. GPU usage never got over about 35% and CPU usage stayed about 25% on each core with an occasional peak of 100% on one core. This tells me that this game is much, much more CPU bound than GPU. My SSD made all scenes and areas load up instantly.

For now I would keep your HD 4850, and either overclock your CPU (and tighten up your memory), upgrade to something higher up in the AM3 socket (like Zosma or Thuban), or go the intel Sandybridge route (even an i3-2100 would be better than what you have).

[RyanFialcowitz]

Today was mostly lag free- with 30 FPS being about the norm. However when I started a new character and started skipping conversations & cutscenes around 20 became the norm with it dipping as low as 4! Not sure if that's the cause but I think I was skipping cutscenes prior to starting this thread as well. . .

My temps after the 4 FPS were 129 for the GPU and 115 for the CPU. Both well under their heat limits. I know for my CPU the limit is 158 not sure about the GPU- but I do know it's crazy high.

So, does skipping like that induce the problem or should I upgrade?

Edit
So, I tested it a bit and once the lag started I couldn't get back to 30 FPS unless I just stood there and did nothing. Doing anything else dropped it into the mid twenties and things got a bit jittery. Conversations get even worse with the FPS dropping below 20 FPS, which is where I first noticed the problem.

I quit the game to this edit and just started it up again and the FPS are about the same. I'm starting to think it's a hardware issue. . .

Further Edit
I just played through to Ostagar with a Human Noble whilst paying close attention to the FPS. In the origin it was generally in the seventies or mid sixties and the upper thirties in the more intense battles. Upon reaching the main camp at Ostagar I was back to low thirties high twenties. I'm now wondering whether this is an actual issue or not given the enviroment & number of characters present at Ostagar. That and I'm running quite a few mods- but testing without them didn't seem to make a real difference. . .

In any case slowdown is what me brought me here and my question remains: If I want to get my origin FPS to match up with my Ostagar FPS which is more likely to do that a new CPU or GPU- or is it unlikely to improve either way?

Lastly, I want to thank everyone for their input- it is appreciated.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Modifié par RyanFialcowitz, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:31 .

[Damric]

I would run a 3dmark vantage benchmark to help diagnose your problem. It's free to download and use the preset performance mode. Post your score for cpu/gpu and I'll compare it to other systems in your category. Your problem could be a lot of possible things like dying motherboard, psu, hdd, ram, besides cpu/gpu.

[Moondoggie]

Skipping conversations should not have any impact on performence. I was thinking GPU but with your temps ringing no alarm bells i'm not sure if that is the case unless you have had it a while and it's just not working as well as it should  . How old are your computer main parts? MoBo,CPU,GPU,PSU? i'll leave HDD and RAM out for now i don't think that's the tree to bark up.


And moving away from hardware for a moment by what you describe i wonder if you have some sort of background program that's conflicting with the game. What do you have running in the background during gameplay? Which antivirus you have and whatever else runs too.

Modifié par Moondoggie, 28 novembre 2011 - 11:15 .

[RyanFialcowitz]

1.) The slowdown only seems to happen in heavily populated areas- not sure if you folks read that in my edits.

2.) I run a lot of mods- but disabling everything didn't seem to improve performance in laggy areas.

3.) Running without any other applications running does not improve performance.

4.) 3DMark Vantage is for Windows Vista, I'm running on Windows XP Professional. So, I ran 3DMark06 and got scores that seem much lower then others posted on the site:

3D Marks: 8281
SM2.0: 3230
HDR/SM3.0 Score: 3241

Clearly something is amiss any ideas?

Edit
Motherboard (Purchased 12/17/2010) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813157210
CPU (Purchased 2/27/2010) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103706
GPU (2/27/2010) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814131163
Memory - First Two Gigs (Purchased 2/27/2010) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820211066
Memory - Second Two Gigs (Purchased 12/17/2010) http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820141064

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Modifié par RyanFialcowitz, 28 novembre 2011 - 06:13 .

[Moondoggie]

if the slowdown happens only in highly populated areas that is pretty normal for this game. Theres a great deal on screen during some areas of the game like Denerim and the final battle so you get slowdowns in those areas even with top cards. Sometimes haveing vsync on can help avoid fluctuating framerates causing lag

[RyanFialcowitz]

Moondoggie wrote...

if the slowdown happens only in highly populated areas that is pretty normal for this game. Theres a great deal on screen during some areas of the game like Denerim and the final battle so you get slowdowns in those areas even with top cards. Sometimes haveing vsync on can help avoid fluctuating framerates causing lag

Not to mention that Improved Atmosphere, which I have installed, adds more characters!

Anyway, I overclocked my CPU from 2.6 Ghz to 3.1 Ghz and it improved my FPS a bit, just over thirty in Ostagar with dips below for a second or so here or there. Then I found out that my motherboard wasn't rated for the increased voltage and could explode, wiping out humanity. Sad face. . .

Since an increase in processor power helped, I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and get a new CPU: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103962

Not as fast as I'd like- but it has SIX freaking cores- how many cores can Dragon Age: Origins use anyhow?

Thanks.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Modifié par RyanFialcowitz, 29 novembre 2011 - 12:21 .

[Damric]

Your 3dmark06 scores indicate a GPU problem. I'm guessing a thermal problem when put under high load it is throttling back. Let's test this theory. Open up MSI Afterburner (or whatever GPU monitoring program you have) and run 3dmark06 again. When completed, take a look at the graphs for temperature and core frequency. GPU temp shouldn't be an issue under 90C, but 4800 series cards do run notoriously hot. If all of that looks fine then I would put money on the PSU (most likely) or motherboard slowly dying and crippling you GPU (and possibly your CPU) performance. What PSU is that?

The best stress test for your GPU+PSU would be to run Furmark with full-unlocked power draw, but it is brutal and may send your rig up in smoke if it is already feeble.

[RyanFialcowitz]

Damric wrote...

Your 3dmark06 scores indicate a GPU problem. I'm guessing a thermal problem when put under high load it is throttling back. Let's test this theory. Open up MSI Afterburner (or whatever GPU monitoring program you have) and run 3dmark06 again. When completed, take a look at the graphs for temperature and core frequency. GPU temp shouldn't be an issue under 90C, but 4800 series cards do run notoriously hot. If all of that looks fine then I would put money on the PSU (most likely) or motherboard slowly dying and crippling you GPU (and possibly your CPU) performance. What PSU is that?

The best stress test for your GPU+PSU would be to run Furmark with full-unlocked power draw, but it is brutal and may send your rig up in smoke if it is already feeble.

I inadvertantly linked to an older motherboard- the one I have is this: http://www.asrock.co...p?model=k10n78d

My power supply: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817339012

Which GPU monitoring program should I use and how can we eliminate the possibility of a bad motherboard or power supply?

Edit
Perhaps this goes without saying but outside of Dragon Age: Orgins and maybe The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion I don't really have any framerate problems in games- not sure if I made that clear or not. I also researched motherboard & power supply failure and I'm not having any of the described symptoms.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Modifié par RyanFialcowitz, 29 novembre 2011 - 01:43 .

[Damric]

I wouldn't put that PoS PSU in my rig PSU is the heart of the rig, never cheap out. Good ones are Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, XFX, and NZXT (actually almost all the good ones are Seasonic but rebranded as Corsair, ect). But it is not necessarily your problem.

Oblivion is another game that likes a fast CPU (mostly because of the poor console-port-coding).

I'd go ahead and run Furmark, but be careful. It has its own built in monitoring interface. Otherwise I use MSI Afterburner as an all-in-one GPU monitor/tweaker. It is based on the old Rivatuner.

I'd like to invite you over to www.overclock.net where you can get more expert hardware opinions on this matter. This is a game forum, so there isn't quite the same knowledge base here. Not to mention there is a huge marketplace there if you want to upgrade hardware on the cheap.

[RyanFialcowitz]

Damric wrote...

I wouldn't put that PoS PSU in my rig PSU is the heart of the rig, never cheap out. Good ones are Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, XFX, and NZXT (actually almost all the good ones are Seasonic but rebranded as Corsair, ect). But it is not necessarily your problem.

Oblivion is another game that likes a fast CPU (mostly because of the poor console-port-coding).

I'd go ahead and run Furmark, but be careful. It has its own built in monitoring interface. Otherwise I use MSI Afterburner as an all-in-one GPU monitor/tweaker. It is based on the old Rivatuner.

I'd like to invite you over to www.overclock.net where you can get more expert hardware opinions on this matter. This is a game forum, so there isn't quite the same knowledge base here. Not to mention there is a huge marketplace there if you want to upgrade hardware on the cheap.

Ha, I already beat you to the punch: http://www.overclock...-motherboard/10

I got Furmark and ran it for awhile with the default settings and the average FPS was 20.

As for overclocking, I'm getting mixed advice on overclock.net as to whether it will fry my system or not. . . very disconcerting.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

[mcsupersport]

Damric wrote...

Your Athlon II can be overclocked quite a bit if your motherboard supports it. My wife's 620 is running at 3.5GHZ and it helps quite a bit. Once you hit the wall with that, there are plenty of upgrade options for the AM3 CPU socket path.

As far as your GPU, it will depend on what resolution you play at. For full HD and highest detail settings you would want something along the lines of a GTX 460 1GB for PhysX.

I used to run this game at full HD with maximum detail on an overclocked HD 5750 and a Phenom II x4 @4 GHZ, with FPS around 40-55.

Memory is extremely cheap right now, so you might as well pick up a 2x4 GB kit for $30 while you are at it. I get most of my hardware from newegg, of course.

For fast load times, get an SSD.

Unless he is running a 64 bit operating system, which I didn't see listed anyhow, then anything over 3 is wasted space.  Only if he is running Win7 64bit, for example, would he get any real benifit adding more Ram, and that of course would be mitigated by processor, HD and power supply.



As for PSUs, never skimp out on them, as they can cause many odd issues when they aren't meeting your needs from slowdowns to crashes and overheating issues.

[Damric]

RyanFialcowitz wrote...

Damric wrote...

I wouldn't put that PoS PSU in my rig PSU is the heart of the rig, never cheap out. Good ones are Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, XFX, and NZXT (actually almost all the good ones are Seasonic but rebranded as Corsair, ect). But it is not necessarily your problem.

Oblivion is another game that likes a fast CPU (mostly because of the poor console-port-coding).

I'd go ahead and run Furmark, but be careful. It has its own built in monitoring interface. Otherwise I use MSI Afterburner as an all-in-one GPU monitor/tweaker. It is based on the old Rivatuner.

I'd like to invite you over to www.overclock.net where you can get more expert hardware opinions on this matter. This is a game forum, so there isn't quite the same knowledge base here. Not to mention there is a huge marketplace there if you want to upgrade hardware on the cheap.

Ha, I already beat you to the punch: http://www.overclock...-motherboard/10

I got Furmark and ran it for awhile with the default settings and the average FPS was 20.

As for overclocking, I'm getting mixed advice on overclock.net as to whether it will fry my system or not. . . very disconcerting.

- Ryan Paul Fialcowitz

Cool man, I'll see you there.