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[TheKillerAngel]

The "fanbase" is madder at Bioware than Bioware is mad at them.

[this isnt my name]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Are they mad at the fanbase? You know what, they can get over it. They've done more than gone out of their way to rattle every ME1 fan's cage (The fans who have been die-hard committed to the story from the start).

You're mad, Bioware? Get over it. Try winning back some of the fans you drove away. Maybe, JUST maybe, I'll stop telling everyone I have a gaming convo with to not buy your product, and why they shouldn't.

I am also a bitter ME1 fan highfive.

To hell with winning back fans, do you want them to win you back ? You will only have them sell you out when they go after another market again. No Bioware have shown their true colours.

They had a chance after ME2, instead they dumbed down DA2, then kept ME3 as the gears clone. Now it turns out they have also messed up the story, consiqunces, squadmates, everything. Its quite funny tbh, now they can work as hard as they want, but they have around 100 days, no way in hell will they fix the horrible script and the broken "consiqunces" hahahaha its like one of those moral choices in a game. Time to choose bioware, script, consiqunces or try to salvage both and have both half assed.

Hell Bioware should thank that hacker, everyone should, he saved some money and bioware may be able to make a slightly less crap product. Then when ME3 fails (and it will) you better hoope the new audience you wanted keep you going, becuase I know lots of folks saying after ME3 they are done with BW. Karma is a ****, but you didnt want the support of your long term fans, an this is where you will end up.

Atleast I can rely on Obsidian, damn I love Obsidian.

[Bluko]

felipejiraya wrote...

Hell, since the infamous (and apocryphal) leaks the amount of new information about the game decreased a lot.

Aside the little snipets from BioWare Pulse, the CE trailer and Invasion there is nothing substantial: no new gameplay trailers, no updates on "N7 Ops", the developers are less active on twitter...the list goes on.

I don't want their marketing becomes spoilerish like ME2 but they really could throw something new to us because to me it seems they're punishing us because of the leaks.

Well, you guys can bash me now. lol

Well for starters Bioware has probably released more information then most Developers do on the game. I mean with Skyrim I honestly had no clue what'd it'd be like since there was only a handful of screenshots and a few breif gameplay trailers.

Also Bioware has to be careful with Story Elements since they don't want Spoliers to spread. (This leak has been a very major problem as now individuals can disclose possible spoilers at will.) See this upsets the "Spoiler Babies" as I like to call them, since apparently knowing a few things that happen ruins the entire experience. Personally I'd rather see parts of the game even if it does spoil some things for me. I like to know what I'm getting, but I guess I'm just old-fashioned. Heck it's pretty rare I delve into a game without referring to a guide before-hand so I usually come across spoilers anyways.


Though truth be told they could show some more gameplay. (Funny people thought this game would be ready for a November release...) But I'm sure they will show more closer to the Holiday season. Right now Bioware is focused on selling SW: TOR as that has been a huge investment for them. If The Old Republic turns out to be another MMO flop I could forsee EA bringing the axe down on Bioware so this is a big deal for them. Though I think TOR is pretty well set to be the next "WoW" as it is.

I don't really see Bioware being angry so much as afraid. Bioware seems especially fearful of fan reactions sometimes to the point where they outright lie or hide things. I often am left to wonder how much damage has been wraught by the vein efforts to appease relatively small groups of the playerbase, of which the majority is probably unconcerned about. I think Bioware could do with being a little more direct and active in the community as it were. I'm not sure why they leave BSN to madness and hysteria. Granted the internet is a crazy and unforgiving place, but you got to be willing to dare the fire if you want to put out the flames.

[Ghost-621]

Unlike ValvE, Bioware bends over to a publisher.

Gabe Newell, I salute you, you may have issues with telling time, but man you take a stand and keep your game your own. Stay nonconformist for me.

[this isnt my name]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Unlike ValvE, Bioware bends over to a publisher.

Gabe Newell, I salute you, you may have issues with telling time, but man you take a stand and keep your game your own. Stay nonconformist for me.

I cant blame the publisher too much. Obsidian gets screwed over by publishers, but still make good games. Bioware has to accept responsibility for its own actions. If obsidian can make choice and consiquence as big as it was in alpha protocal then bioware has no excuse, they have been working on mass effect for years, had more funding. And only emails to show for it. Thats not much effort on their part, at all. Cant blame EA for that, I also doubt EA said "Hey guys, you know the tomboy marine, give her high heels, long hair, and light armour, she hated it but still. Oh and dont forget to retcon qurians so some people can have sex with the walking codex with chicken feet".

Also EA has kept mirrors edge alive, the game didnt sell too well, but was original, and they havent totally binned it. So that makes me blame them alot less, becuase they actually kept something despite its lack of sales. Now when I see mirrors edge 2 my views may change, but until then I cant blame EA too much for biowares faults.

[Aumata]

ME2 is not a GoW clone. It is a crappier GoW clone get it straight, the mechanics in Gears was superior than ME2. But yes it what is true about the leaks then ME3 just screwed over those who played the other 2 games. As Terror_K puts it they made each game independent of each other instead of a consistent trilogy.

[LegionMan]

Ghost-621 wrote...

Unlike ValvE, Bioware bends over to a publisher.

Gabe Newell, I salute you, you may have issues with telling time, but man you take a stand and keep your game your own. Stay nonconformist for me.

Especially because he ate the watch, mirite?
...oh hell, I just delayed Episode 3...

In BW's defense, Valve is not owned by a large publisher, and doesn't have to endure the strong-arming...then again maybe I'm being too hopeful by assuming it's all the result of EA execs...

[Terror_K]

ODST 3 wrote...

You no longer like the style of games Bioware makes so why attempt to bring down the people who do? I don't enjoy basketball but I don't waste my time in some sports forum trying to convince basketball fans that their sport sucks.

No. It's more a case of bringing down people who do enjoy them not so much because they enjoy them, but because there are plenty of games like that out there already, and now BioWare is just trying to make their games more like the already overbloated market for an already overcatered for audience, leaving the hardcore RPG fan with almost nothing. Your example would be more accurate if basketball fans were so big and basketball was so profitable that every sport out there gradually started trying to come more like basketball, eventually resulting in every sport simply being basketball in the end, and leaving soccer, cricket and everything else in a professional sense essentially dead. They're not making their games for the fans anymore, they're making them for the $$$'s.

Don't get me wrong, I like a good shooter as much as anybody. I can have quite a bit of fun in Gears of War, Unreal Tournament, Team Fortress 2, the earlier CoD titles and Battlefield, etc. But that doesn't mean I want every game I play to turn into simple, action games, because these titles really are just a bit of fun to me. When I want a game with a bit of meat that can be a true experience and I can sink my teeth into, immerse myself in and even regard as more than just a game, then I go to the RPG.

But BioWare is trying to water down and kill the RPG lately and just make cinematic action games, like everybody else out there. The Dragon Age universe has already been completely ruined for me thanks to their selling out and dumbing down for the casual, mainstream gamer and essentially giving it the Michael Bay meets Dynasty Warriors treatment, and the cracks have already shown in Mass Effect with its sequel. I don't want the cracks to get bigger with ME3, but given a lot of the BS they've shown and are going on about, it looks like they have.

To sum it all up: this isn't what I signed up for, BioWare. I didn't get interested in Mass Effect just so it could gradually be turned into a poor man's Gears of War with dialogue wheels, just like I didn't sign up to Dragon Age so it could become whatever you want to call the abomination that was DA2. And if they (and others) are sick of the Gears comparisons, then they can deal with it. Those comments are somewhat commonplace for a reason, and they shouldn't have messed with the formula as much as they did just for the sake of branching out more.

I'm quite frankly sick of BioWare starting out an IP and then warping it later on to appeal more to possible newcomers than to those already invested in it. You already killed Dragon Age for me... don't do the same for Mass Effect, especially when you're on such thin ice.

[Gatt9]

Bluko wrote...

felipejiraya wrote...

Hell, since the infamous (and apocryphal) leaks the amount of new information about the game decreased a lot.

Aside the little snipets from BioWare Pulse, the CE trailer and Invasion there is nothing substantial: no new gameplay trailers, no updates on "N7 Ops", the developers are less active on twitter...the list goes on.

I don't want their marketing becomes spoilerish like ME2 but they really could throw something new to us because to me it seems they're punishing us because of the leaks.

Well, you guys can bash me now. lol

Well for starters Bioware has probably released more information then most Developers do on the game. I mean with Skyrim I honestly had no clue what'd it'd be like since there was only a handful of screenshots and a few breif gameplay trailers.

Also Bioware has to be careful with Story Elements since they don't want Spoliers to spread. (This leak has been a very major problem as now individuals can disclose possible spoilers at will.) See this upsets the "Spoiler Babies" as I like to call them, since apparently knowing a few things that happen ruins the entire experience. Personally I'd rather see parts of the game even if it does spoil some things for me. I like to know what I'm getting, but I guess I'm just old-fashioned. Heck it's pretty rare I delve into a game without referring to a guide before-hand so I usually come across spoilers anyways.


Though truth be told they could show some more gameplay. (Funny people thought this game would be ready for a November release...) But I'm sure they will show more closer to the Holiday season. Right now Bioware is focused on selling SW: TOR as that has been a huge investment for them. If The Old Republic turns out to be another MMO flop I could forsee EA bringing the axe down on Bioware so this is a big deal for them. Though I think TOR is pretty well set to be the next "WoW" as it is.

I don't really see Bioware being angry so much as afraid. Bioware seems especially fearful of fan reactions sometimes to the point where they outright lie or hide things. I often am left to wonder how much damage has been wraught by the vein efforts to appease relatively small groups of the playerbase, of which the majority is probably unconcerned about. I think Bioware could do with being a little more direct and active in the community as it were. I'm not sure why they leave BSN to madness and hysteria. Granted the internet is a crazy and unforgiving place, but you got to be willing to dare the fire if you want to put out the flames.

The reasons for everything you mention are contained here...

http://www.vg247.com...d-our-way-back/

Bethseda's...um...behavior,  the way EA Bioware works,  and the reasons for so many shennagins with Metacritic reviews are all in there.  A number of studios let their developers write User Reviews as if they were regular people,  including EA.

But honestly,  the explanation for ME2 and the schizophrenic design of ME3 aren't all that hard to discern.  EA paid what?  700 million for Bioware?  Star Wars is around 80-100 million in development costs?  the Pop-cap deal costs between 800 mill and 1 billion dollars? 

Gamespot reported that Bulletstorm underperformed,  we know DA2 bombed,  EA was reporting units shipped instead of units sold for Dead Space 2,  in their quarterly,  which is a strong indicator it performed badly.  Shadows of the Damned bombed harder than DA2.  NFL's first week sales were down around 200 million units,  which should work out to around 15% or so (Though they claimed revenues were up).  I've gotten the impression that BF3 didn't sell nearly as well as they wanted.

In short,  from an investing standpoint,  I do not like the signs.  Enourmous amounts of money going out,  and indications are that they are underperforming with all products. 

So it's no surprise that EA's plan is to mitigate risk by trying to appeal to the widest possible market,  they cannot afford too many more misses.  From everything I've read,  it doesn't look like anything they tried in 2011 succeeded as expected. 

The problem is,  this is an entertainment medium.  You cannot be everything to everyone.  You cannot make an RPG and a full-on Shooter with no RPG elements in it.  You cannot design by what would make a good bullet point on the back of the box.

I actually haven't read the script,  since I haven't yet cancelled my preorder I don't want to be spoiled,  but the rumblings of a half-baked plot,  questionable companion choices,  and all choice being irrelevant make me nervous.

I hope for Bioware's sake it isn't true.  If this game is a throw-away shooter where nothing from the first two mattered,  the firestorm is going to be history-making epic,  and very likely more than sufficient to tank Star Wars no matter what.  The problem with MMORPG's is,  you need RPG Players.  Disappointing them with DA2 and then publicly insulting them was bad,  following it up with a deeply flawed ME3 would be catastrophic.

It's very likely RPG players won't even give Star Wars a chance if Bioware burns customers a second time with a "Designed by Suits" game again.

[Grey34]

this isnt my name wrote...

Ghost-621 wrote...

Are they mad at the fanbase? You know what, they can get over it. They've done more than gone out of their way to rattle every ME1 fan's cage (The fans who have been die-hard committed to the story from the start).

You're mad, Bioware? Get over it. Try winning back some of the fans you drove away. Maybe, JUST maybe, I'll stop telling everyone I have a gaming convo with to not buy your product, and why they shouldn't.

I am also a bitter ME1 fan highfive.

To hell with winning back fans, do you want them to win you back ? You will only have them sell you out when they go after another market again. No Bioware have shown their true colours.

They had a chance after ME2, instead they dumbed down DA2, then kept ME3 as the gears clone. Now it turns out they have also messed up the story, consiqunces, squadmates, everything. Its quite funny tbh, now they can work as hard as they want, but they have around 100 days, no way in hell will they fix the horrible script and the broken "consiqunces" hahahaha its like one of those moral choices in a game. Time to choose bioware, script, consiqunces or try to salvage both and have both half assed.

Hell Bioware should thank that hacker, everyone should, he saved some money and bioware may be able to make a slightly less crap product. Then when ME3 fails (and it will) you better hoope the new audience you wanted keep you going, becuase I know lots of folks saying after ME3 they are done with BW. Karma is a ****, but you didnt want the support of your long term fans, an this is where you will end up.

Atleast I can rely on Obsidian, damn I love Obsidian.

"Because i know lots folks saying after ME3 they are done with BW"  

whose "folks" are you refering to?

[CuseGirl]

am I the only one who doesn't believe the leak was a mistake.....I just can't believe a major title like this could accidently get "flagged" for beta download......come on, really? I think Bioware/EA wanted to know wut they were up against and found out loud and clear.....

[onelifecrisis]

Bluko wrote...

"Spoiler Babies" as I like to call them

That seems unnecessarily harsh. 

Bluko wrote...

I don't really see Bioware being angry so much as afraid.

Meh. I doubt they're either.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 28 novembre 2011 - 04:43 .

[Gatt9]

Terror_K wrote...
I'm quite frankly sick of BioWare starting out an IP and then warping it later on to appeal more to possible newcomers than to those already invested in it. You already killed Dragon Age for me... don't do the same for Mass Effect, especially when you're on such thin ice.

I would actually extend this...

I'm quite sick of the entire industry warping every IP into a pure-shooter.  EA's studio for Syndicate claims that there's no market for anything but Shooters,  Ubisoft makes the same claim for X-com.  Neither one of those games should be Shooters.

Like I said,  E3.  The big announcements were all Shooters,  and sequels at that.  I looked through the list of games shown and almost everything was a Shooter.

So right now,  the only things I plan on buying are Bioshock Infinity,  maybe ME3,  Diablo 3,  Starcraft,  and Dead State in 2012.  Mind you,  through the 90's I bought 4-5 games a month*,  in 2012 I expect to buy a grand total of 4 games,  maybe 5.

I doubt I'm the only one whose game buying is dropping dramatically,  mainly because the NPD reports indicate people aren't buying games.

*No,  I'm not a shut-in.  I didn't finish most of those games,  there were too many great games to play in the 90's.  Nothing like today where you get maybe 4-5 decent games in a year.

[Harmless Citizen]

@Cuse - Eh. Maybe, maybe not. The same thing happened to Skywar Sword. The entire game was leaked a week and a half before the release date (well, the Euro one, anyway), but I highly doubt Nintendo wanted that.

[ODST 3]

Terror_K wrote...

ODST 3 wrote...

You no longer like the style of games Bioware makes so why attempt to bring down the people who do? I don't enjoy basketball but I don't waste my time in some sports forum trying to convince basketball fans that their sport sucks.

No. It's more a case of bringing down people who do enjoy them not so much because they enjoy them, but because there are plenty of games like that out there already, and now BioWare is just trying to make their games more like the already overbloated market for an already overcatered for audience, leaving the hardcore RPG fan with almost nothing. Your example would be more accurate if basketball fans were so big and basketball was so profitable that every sport out there gradually started trying to come more like basketball, eventually resulting in every sport simply being basketball in the end, and leaving soccer, cricket and everything else in a professional sense essentially dead. They're not making their games for the fans anymore, they're making them for the $$$'s.

Don't get me wrong, I like a good shooter as much as anybody. I can have quite a bit of fun in Gears of War, Unreal Tournament, Team Fortress 2, the earlier CoD titles and Battlefield, etc. But that doesn't mean I want every game I play to turn into simple, action games, because these titles really are just a bit of fun to me. When I want a game with a bit of meat that can be a true experience and I can sink my teeth into, immerse myself in and even regard as more than just a game, then I go to the RPG.

But BioWare is trying to water down and kill the RPG lately and just make cinematic action games, like everybody else out there. The Dragon Age universe has already been completely ruined for me thanks to their selling out and dumbing down for the casual, mainstream gamer and essentially giving it the Michael Bay meets Dynasty Warriors treatment, and the cracks have already shown in Mass Effect with its sequel. I don't want the cracks to get bigger with ME3, but given a lot of the BS they've shown and are going on about, it looks like they have.

To sum it all up: this isn't what I signed up for, BioWare. I didn't get interested in Mass Effect just so it could gradually be turned into a poor man's Gears of War with dialogue wheels, just like I didn't sign up to Dragon Age so it could become whatever you want to call the abomination that was DA2. And if they (and others) are sick of the Gears comparisons, then they can deal with it. Those comments are somewhat commonplace for a reason, and they shouldn't have messed with the formula as much as they did just for the sake of branching out more.

I'm quite frankly sick of BioWare starting out an IP and then warping it later on to appeal more to possible newcomers than to those already invested in it. You already killed Dragon Age for me... don't do the same for Mass Effect, especially when you're on such thin ice.

I don't see that at all. Bioware are the only devs I trust to tell a decent story well. I missed certain RPG elements from ME1 in the second one but for the most part, I want to continue experiencing the story. The writing in all Gears of War games has been atrocious from Day 1, the only reason to play those games in for funny brutality and smooth gameplay. Mass Effect has a rich universe and fleshed out story that hasn't overtly disappointed me yet. I much preferred Mass Effect 2's inventory to the needlessly complex and micro-managing one of ME 1. The side-quests were better connected to the main story. The gameplay was way smoother and more rewarding with a much more intelligent controller interface. There's going to be the most action in ME 3 because the biggest war in 50,000 years is going on, that doesn't mean it's another mindless shooter.

[Terror_K]

Gatt9 wrote...

So it's no surprise that EA's plan is to mitigate risk by trying to appeal to the widest possible market,  they cannot afford too many more misses.  From everything I've read,  it doesn't look like anything they tried in 2011 succeeded as expected.

FIFA 12 is probably the one exception to the rule (mostly outside the States though), though Battlefield 3 did pretty well I believe, if admittedly less than they hoped. Still, even with those two, that's only two successes vs. what... 30 or so fails.

Disappointing them with DA2 and then publicly insulting them was bad,  following it up with a deeply flawed ME3 would be catastrophic.

Indeed. That's what actually killed Dragon Age for me: the derogatory mindset of the development team and the fact they deliberately sabotaged the series without remose from the get-go, and pretty much rebooted it into a console action game. That was far more damaging than the game itself. The attitude of the team even after the hollow, too-late apologies still indicates they haven't really learned and still suffer from the same blind issues. And I get the feeling given the way things played out the only reason any apologies and admissions came at all was because their little experiment failed and backfired on them. They underestimated the strength and resolve of the hardcore RPG fan, and they've paid for it, though not enough. It still worries me how many are willing to forgive and forget over the travesty that was DA2.

It's very likely RPG players won't even give Star Wars a chance if Bioware burns customers a second time with a "Designed by Suits" game again.

To be fair, SWTOR is actually out before ME3.

[CuseGirl]

Gatt9 wrote...
The reasons for everything you mention are contained here...

http://www.vg247.com...d-our-way-back/

Bethseda's...um...behavior,  the way EA Bioware works,  and the reasons for so many shennagins with Metacritic reviews are all in there.  A number of studios let their developers write User Reviews as if they were regular people,  including EA.

But honestly,  the explanation for ME2 and the schizophrenic design of ME3 aren't all that hard to discern.  EA paid what?  700 million for Bioware?  Star Wars is around 80-100 million in development costs?  the Pop-cap deal costs between 800 mill and 1 billion dollars? 

Gamespot reported that Bulletstorm underperformed,  we know DA2 bombed,  EA was reporting units shipped instead of units sold for Dead Space 2,  in their quarterly,  which is a strong indicator it performed badly.  Shadows of the Damned bombed harder than DA2.  NFL's first week sales were down around 200 million units,  which should work out to around 15% or so (Though they claimed revenues were up).  I've gotten the impression that BF3 didn't sell nearly as well as they wanted.
.....quote snipped....

I actually haven't read the script,  since I haven't yet cancelled my preorder I don't want to be spoiled,  but the rumblings of a half-baked plot,  questionable companion choices,  and all choice being irrelevant make me nervous.

I hope for Bioware's sake it isn't true.  If this game is a throw-away shooter where nothing from the first two mattered,  the firestorm is going to be history-making epic,  and very likely more than sufficient to tank Star Wars no matter what.  The problem with MMORPG's is,  you need RPG Players.  Disappointing them with DA2 and then publicly insulting them was bad,  following it up with a deeply flawed ME3 would be catastrophic.

Sounds like how the Knicks and Redskins are run: for way too much money and still half-ass.....

I only read about the spoiler parts that most concerned me, mainly, squadmate choices and I'm already upset. Maybe we've finally reached a point where enuff gamers are actually on the internet and complaining and EA isn't getting the message (or simply refusing to hear it). For the majority of their existence, the majority of gamers they serve are not fanatical enuff to go online and start Tali/Garrus/Miranda support groups. They wanna buy the game, pop it in, shoot some stuff, see stuff blowup and when it's over, turn it off and move on. But if ME-3 sucks or alienates the ME-1 PLUS ME-2 groups (which include PS3 users like myself who really dont give a rip about ME-1), EA is in for a rude awakening. You pissed me off with Madden/NCAA football, u got me back with ME-2, don't screw me now......

[Grey34]

yay 20 page ***** fest keep it up guys

[Harmless Citizen]

Don't do it, it will give you cancer.

[CuseGirl]

Gatt9 wrote...

I would actually extend this...

I'm quite sick of the entire industry warping every IP into a pure-shooter.  EA's studio for Syndicate claims that there's no market for anything but Shooters,  Ubisoft makes the same claim for X-com.  Neither one of those games should be Shooters.

Like I said,  E3.  The big announcements were all Shooters,  and sequels at that.  I looked through the list of games shown and almost everything was a Shooter.

this is business for them......and it's not like the movie industry where a Tom Cruise or Leo DiCaprio can buy a script, get all his actor buddies to join in and make a good movie and oh by the way, Sam Mendes will just drop in and direct to make sure it all goes to plan while having a full budget, great location and full energy from his cast.

The game are always best EARLY in the IP, because the devs have so much to lose and are putting their hearts into it. Once an EA gets their hands on it, it's about profit margin and where's the big cash coming from? Their numbers must show "we can only make money when people go online and shoot at each other" (which says something about our culture, so violence and instand gratification obsessed). Now, maybe their numbers are wrong but until we can show them that, this is wut we're stuck with.....

it sucks cuz I have a hard time believing that the market only supports annual football releases (which contain the same code from 2006) and shooters, when there's a growing female market and a growing older market who want more than just "boom boom boom" and blood.....

[DoNotIngest]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Grey34 wrote...

yay 20 page ***** fest keep it up guys

Not all the thread was like this. Go back to page 13 or 14, where we were all just talking like GMagnum for laughs and not *****ing at all.

it wuz hella gud tbh

dis be da only parts dat i read tbh

[Terror_K]

Gatt9 wrote...

I would actually extend this...

I'm quite sick of the entire industry warping every IP into a pure-shooter.  EA's studio for Syndicate claims that there's no market for anything but Shooters,  Ubisoft makes the same claim for X-com.  Neither one of those games should be Shooters.

Agreed. Hence why I'm basically sick of them going along with the crowd and making everything generic, shallow and action-focused. A proper remake of Syndicate with today's technology could be epic, and the same goes for UFO: Enemy Unknown, but instead we're getting more generic brown shooters, and more reboot remakes. To bring it back to BioWare, there's rumours that their teased "new IP" is a C&C reboot as a shooter. *Yawn* if true.

So right now,  the only things I plan on buying are Bioshock Infinity,  maybe ME3,  Diablo 3,  Starcraft,  and Dead State in 2012.  Mind you,  through the 90's I bought 4-5 games a month*,  in 2012 I expect to buy a grand total of 4 games,  maybe 5.

I've bought a fair amount lately, but granted most are older games I've waited to come down in price. The only games this year I've got on Day 1 are DA2 (massive regrets there), Deus Ex: HR and Skyrim (both thankfully pretty damn good, IMO). I'd have got Batman AC, but Xmas is coming and I'm saving up for my SWTOR Collector's Edition, which I have to import from the States because it seems BioWare and EA don't give a damn about New Zealand regarding that title.

Beyond that, next year is looking pretty dry for me outside of Mass Effect 3. Maybe Hitman Absolution. I was never big on BioShock and thought 2 sucked, so I'll skip Infinity unless I hear grand things or it drops in price. I'm avoiding Blizzard products since they teamed up with Activision and insist on their stupid Battlenet 2 "always online" DRM approach (which is why I haven't also bought a Ubisoft game in 3 years now). Dishonoured may be interesting. Oh, and I'll pick up Arkham City sometime next year. That's pretty much it for me so far.

ODST 3 wrote...

 I don't see that at all. Bioware are the only devs I trust to tell a decent story well. I missed certain RPG elements from ME1 in the second one but for the most part, I want to continue experiencing the story. The writing in all Gears of War games has been atrocious from Day 1, the only reason to play those games in for funny brutality and smooth gameplay. Mass Effect has a rich universe and fleshed out story that hasn't overtly disappointed me yet. I much preferred Mass Effect 2's inventory to the needlessly complex and micro-managing one of ME 1. The side-quests were better connected to the main story. The gameplay was way smoother and more rewarding with a much more intelligent controller interface. There's going to be the most action in ME 3 because the biggest war in 50,000 years is going on, that doesn't mean it's another mindless shooter.

Well, I disagree with a lot of your preferences regarding ME2. At the moment it really is only the universe, story, characters and import stuff that's keeping me interested in Mass Effect. I fell too hard in love with the IP originally for it to be killed yet, but after ME3 I'm not sure if I'll still consider Mass Effect to be "this Century's Star Trek and Star Wars" any more.

But I personally preferred a clumsy inventory that allowed me to play at least than no inventory at all and a system that did everything for me. I prefer sidequests that are actually sidequests so that things aren't solely focused on the one thing and prefer proper set-ups, dialogue and polish than just having my Shepard and his/her team running around silently shooting guys or doing a gimmicky little experiment with no consequences or threat that's only found by throwing down a probe. And I prefer a contoll interface that doesn't map sprint, take-cover, vault and use/interact to the same key. Just for some examples of how I don't agree with ME2 doing things better.

Modifié par Terror_K, 28 novembre 2011 - 05:05 .

[Northern Sun]

They are very mad at us. I've seen Stanley Woo's volus ninja outside my appartment, just waiting for me to fall asleep.

Please forgive me, Stanley:(

[Grey34]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Grey34 wrote...

yay 20 page ***** fest keep it up guys

Not all the thread was like this. Go back to page 13 or 14, where we were all just talking like GMagnum for laughs and not *****ing at all.

it wuz hella gud tbh

lol must of skipped that part very easy to do when you read 10 pages of complaints  or that i can't tell when you guys are joking or not